Any 3 Steppers?

[billf]

There are a number of pros who due to a late push away, effectively throw a 3 step approach.

The tale tell sign is while the ball is swinging back, the ball side foot is moving forward.

That causes a torque on the body that makes consistency more difficult.

Both of these bowlers effectively use 3 steps.

Notice when the ball reaches the bottom of the back swing, their weight is on the left foot, and the right foot is moving forward.

Seeing as the whole point to the steps is ball speed. Both of the players in the video have short back swings with average to above average swing speed. The only way they could be in time when it matters is to delay moving the ball. Because most 5 steppers don't move the ball the first step does that mean the "effectively" throw a four step? The illogic, unscientific basing of this post is more what I would expect from 2handedsniper than Mike White.

Our arms and legs can move independently from the other without causing an increase in torque on the body. If the timing was off at the bottom of the swing this would be accurate but both of these ladies are within the range set by the timing spot Mark Baker made famous and is now considered the most accurate way to check timing.
Maybe if these ladies knew they were bowing wrong they could have been inducted into the hall of fame...Oh wait, they are hall of famers.

[Mike White]

Seeing as the whole point to the steps is ball speed. Both of the players in the video have short back swings with average to above average swing speed. The only way they could be in time when it matters is to delay moving the ball. Because most 5 steppers don't move the ball the first step does that mean the "effectively" throw a four step? The illogic, unscientific basing of this post is more what I would expect from 2handedsniper than Mike White.

Our arms and legs can move independently from the other without causing an increase in torque on the body. If the timing was off at the bottom of the swing this would be accurate but both of these ladies are within the range set by the timing spot Mark Baker made famous and is now considered the most accurate way to check timing.
Maybe if these ladies knew they were bowing wrong they could have been inducted into the hall of fame...Oh wait, they are hall of famers.

I just became aware of this video from the ETBF.

At the end of the video, they are discussing this exact topic of moving the right foot forward while the arm swing is moving backwards, and the negative effects it causes.

They refer to it as 1 step late timing.

[Blacksox1]

I have seen a 2 step, 2 handed bowler. He is probably 22 years old and scores well on a THS, 210+ average. I foresee injury problems in his future. It's a shame he does not get certified instruction. I believe with a 4 or 5 step delivery he could improve.

[okfoz]

I have a 4-4 approach, where I take 4 steps, and my ball is in motion all 4 steps. My son (age 12) however (it drives me crazy) has decided to do the 4-3 approach. He takes 4 steps and the ball is in motion for 3 of those steps. He takes his first step, pauses, then starts the motion with his ball.

With his 4-3 step approach he was taught to hold his ball higher, right under the chin, take his first step, pause, then as you relax, push the ball forward, and let the ball swing back and then swing the ball forward. He does well enough, he is one of the top scorers in his league for his age with more than 70 kids. Matter of fact we did a sport shot league together and he virtually out bowled all of the teenagers even those much older than him with the exception of those kids that have coaches for dads.

So it can be done