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[Tony]

I'm not sure there are any better hitting balls out there for medium/heavy shots than the Grudge/Nirvana lines right now. Unfortunately I never need that much ball.

I will have to look but I think he pointed out the Nirvana and Warrior supreme saying they would probably be too much ball for me, I just don't put enough revs into it.

When I see him tomorrow I'll have to discuss what type of line he see's me playing with a ball like that. I'm wondering if he would have me playing a lot deeper line and it seems when I played more like that with the Diva it didn't seem to hit that hard.

[Amyers]

Tony be careful with thinking there are huge differences between balls just because the proshop or manufacturer say it's a hybrid or pearl. The Nirvana, Warrior, Grudge are all high performance, strong balls, intended for medium/heavy to heavy oil. You can manipulate the surface on any ball to make it more of what you want regardless of cover stock type. If you put the same surface on any of these lines they will all roll within a board or two of each other at the most. Don't buy into the hype as you add surface (go to a lower number grit) the ball will have additional traction in oil and hook more overall. As you remove surface (higher number grit or polishing) the ball will handle less oil and hook more on the backend. You can't make a very aggressive ball less aggressive just change where the hook happens.

Don't be too worried if what you said was correct my wife is a higher speed low rev down and in player and she can use her original Nirvana just fine on most medium conditions, Me on the other hand I can go coast to coast with the least aggressive ball anyone makes with my lower speed delivery. To give you an idea she's about 14.5 to 15 on the monitors I come out at about 11 maybe 12.5 on a good day lol.

[1VegasBowler]

Man when you change balls you change balls lol

On the THS's in this town it ends up being the perfect change! lol

[1VegasBowler]

I'm not sure there are any better hitting balls out there for medium/heavy shots than the Grudge/Nirvana lines right now. Unfortunately I never need that much ball.

You can add the Vandal Smash to the list as well.

I haven't said much about this ball yet, but if I could afford this one I would have it as well.

Brunswick & DV8 have come out with an amazing line this year. They took the bull by the horns and hit grand slams all around.

[1VegasBowler]

Tony be careful with thinking there are huge differences between balls just because the proshop or manufacturer say it's a hybrid or pearl. The Nirvana, Warrior, Grudge are all high performance, strong balls, intended for medium/heavy to heavy oil. You can manipulate the surface on any ball to make it more of what you want regardless of cover stock type. If you put the same surface on any of these lines they will all roll within a board or two of each other at the most. Don't buy into the hype as you add surface (go to a lower number grit) the ball will have additional traction in oil and hook more overall. As you remove surface (higher number grit or polishing) the ball will handle less oil and hook more on the backend. You can't make a very aggressive ball less aggressive just change where the hook happens.

Don't be too worried if what you said was correct my wife is a higher speed low rev down and in player and she can use her original Nirvana just fine on most medium conditions, Me on the other hand I can go coast to coast with the least aggressive ball anyone makes with my lower speed delivery. To give you an idea she's about 14.5 to 15 on the monitors I come out at about 11 maybe 12.5 on a good day lol.

Spot on here.

Personally, I don't change the surfaces on any of my balls. I keep them OOB and bring what I think is going to be best for the night (usually 3 and my spare). Since you can't change surfaces during any competition, I'd rather make a ball change.

On the weekend of the 24th I have the Senior Singles Championships here in NV, The pattern is USBC White #3, and I'll have everything except the Ruckus Schizo. I'll start with my Ultimate, but if it doesn't feel good I'll go directly to my VDZ.

Most of us here have an arsenal where surface changes aren't really necessary. We can change to a less aggressive ball and get the same results. That's why you see me change from my Ultimate Nirvana to the BTU, because I can stay at 15 to 10 on the THS and not lose my shot.

[Amyers]

You can add the Vandal Smash to the list as well.

I haven't said much about this ball yet, but if I could afford this one I would have it as well.

Brunswick & DV8 have come out with an amazing line this year. They took the bull by the horns and hit grand slams all around.

Pretty much agree. I don't usually see very much DV8 here but I think the Grudge kind of changed that and the Radical Guru's and Ridiculous have been really popular. I haven't got to see a smash but if I had an open slot in my back right now it would have a Ridiculous pearl or original in it

[1VegasBowler]

Pretty much agree. I don't usually see very much DV8 here but I think the Grudge kind of changed that and the Radical Guru's and Ridiculous have been really popular. I haven't got to see a smash but if I had an open slot in my back right now it would have a Ridiculous pearl or original in it

When I was at the Bowl Expo 2016 demonstrations, Brunswick was really hyping the Absolute Nirvana and the BTU. While I'm not crazy about the Absolute, the BTU has been selling like mad. Most of the pro shops can't get enough of them, and are on back order.

Radical may have few to choose from, but they are getting it in gear and doing a great job.

So darn many good ones out here and not enough money, and no 15 ball carriers to have them all! lol

[Amyers]

Spot on here.

Personally, I don't change the surfaces on any of my balls. I keep them OOB and bring what I think is going to be best for the night (usually 3 and my spare). Since you can't change surfaces during any competition, I'd rather make a ball change.

On the weekend of the 24th I have the Senior Singles Championships here in NV, The pattern is USBC White #3, and I'll have everything except the Ruckus Schizo. I'll start with my Ultimate, but if it doesn't feel good I'll go directly to my VDZ.

Most of us here have an arsenal where surface changes aren't really necessary. We can change to a less aggressive ball and get the same results. That's why you see me change from my Ultimate Nirvana to the BTU, because I can stay at 15 to 10 on the THS and not lose my shot.

I wasn't really advocating a surface change just the awareness that surface is the difference between the balls (grudge/grudge Hybrid or Warrior/Supreme/Elite. This whole thing of dropping every ball out in a solid/hybrid/pearl and pretending like it's a brand new ball just drives me nuts. One of the women on my Saturday night league was remarking to me that she was waiting on a Pearl Nirvana to purchase a new ball. 190 average bowler throwing 10 year old Morich that I've been trying to convince to buy a new ball for a season and half now. Has the same span and close on the thumb so I changed out my wife's grips to her size threw the Nirvana I had laying around that was damaged by the ball return that I resurfaced after the alley replaced my wife's on the spinner put some polish on it and let her try it out she used it two weeks and went to the shop and bought her one.

I'm using my Einstein/VDZ and regular Fanatic the same way. The high amount of surface on the BTU scared me off. I've tried a few high surface weak balls before and it didn't end well with any of them for me.

[1VegasBowler]

I wasn't really advocating a surface change just the awareness that surface is the difference between the balls (grudge/grudge Hybrid or Warrior/Supreme/Elite. This whole thing of dropping every ball out in a solid/hybrid/pearl and pretending like it's a brand new ball just drives me nuts. One of the women on my Saturday night league was remarking to me that she was waiting on a Pearl Nirvana to purchase a new ball. 190 average bowler throwing 10 year old Morich that I've been trying to convince to buy a new ball for a season and half now. Has the same span and close on the thumb so I changed out my wife's grips to her size threw the Nirvana I had laying around that was damaged by the ball return that I resurfaced after the alley replaced my wife's on the spinner put some polish on it and let her try it out she used it two weeks and went to the shop and bought her one.

I'm using my Einstein/VDZ and regular Fanatic the same way. The high amount of surface on the BTU scared me off. I've tried a few high surface weak balls before and it didn't end well with any of them for me.

I understand my friend, and I didn't think you were advocating surface changes at all. But, there are PSO's out there who can be very closed minded about that.

A good PSO will listen and take everything into account about each individual and make recommendations that will fit that person's game best, not just the name on the ball.

Some are fanatics about changing their surface all of the time, and those fanatics are the same ones who have 15 balls at their disposal. Why have that many balls if you're only going to use 1 or 2 of them? Makes zero sense to me.

During the Lane Side Reviews video of the Fanatic BTU, they were saying that a person could go with the Fanatic & Fanatic BTU in their bag and have a complete arsenal, and I agree with that. Both are very versatile and can handle pretty much any lane condition you encounter.

Resurfacing is certainly a choice each bowler makes. The only time I do my surfacing is when I have my ball de-oiled, but I always keep them OOB.

[Amyers]

I understand my friend, and I didn't think you were advocating surface changes at all. But, there are PSO's out there who can be very closed minded about that.

A good PSO will listen and take everything into account about each individual and make recommendations that will fit that person's game best, not just the name on the ball.

Some are fanatics about changing their surface all of the time, and those fanatics are the same ones who have 15 balls at their disposal. Why have that many balls if you're only going to use 1 or 2 of them? Makes zero sense to me.

During the Lane Side Reviews video of the Fanatic BTU, they were saying that a person could go with the Fanatic & Fanatic BTU in their bag and have a complete arsenal, and I agree with that. Both are very versatile and can handle pretty much any lane condition you encounter.

Resurfacing is certainly a choice each bowler makes. The only time I do my surfacing is when I have my ball de-oiled, but I always keep them OOB.

My PSO originally went into the OOB surface is gold camp but I've changed his mind about it. Once he figured out he could help people get more what they want when they want it by being willing to change surfaces he converted pretty quick. He's old school but if you can show it to him he will adapt quick.

On a normal THS I agree not sure how well it would work on a heavier sport pattern. I did try it out on one of those wonderful (not) houses here that puts out a house shot that's dry over the middle and wet outside 10 and it wasn't pretty but I struggle on that with about anything other than my Einstein

Yeah I don't change the surface to necessarily fit conditions that's why I have 6 or 7 balls. But if I buy one that doesn't fit where I want it or just plain doesn't work I will change the surface in heart beat to something else.