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    Quote Originally Posted by LOUVIT View Post
    Does it really matter to someone that has an established average? If you have a 200 average from last year.. do you start over? This is a real question because I don't know. Ex...if someone averaged 200 end of last season and they shoot 150 for the first 3 weeks what is their average on the 4th week? I would think it's harder to change an established average than someone like me that is coming in with no average. Am I wrong?
    Leagues in my house are book for first 3 weeks then you use your "established average" from those 3 weeks on week 4. Week 5 you use your average from weeks 1-4, and so on. We also have the maximum 10-pin drop rule, though I've never seen it enforced. Can't recall anyone dropping more than 15 pins or so anyway.

    Book average = last season
    Established average = current season

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    Quote Originally Posted by zacks View Post
    Leagues in my house are book for first 3 weeks then you use your "established average" from those 3 weeks on week 4. Week 5 you use your average from weeks 1-4, and so on. We also have the maximum 10-pin drop rule, though I've never seen it enforced. Can't recall anyone dropping more than 15 pins or so anyway.

    Book average = last season
    Established average = current season

    ok 10 pin drop is something I've never herd of but explains a lot...thanks
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    Does any use the cushion or even understand it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOUVIT View Post
    Does it really matter to someone that has an established average? If you have a 200 average from last year.. do you start over? This is a real question because I don't know. Ex...if someone averaged 200 end of last season and they shoot 150 for the first 3 weeks what is their average on the 4th week? I would think it's harder to change an established average than someone like me that is coming in with no average. Am I wrong?
    In most of the leagues around my area they use your book average and handicap for the first 3 weeks after that your average would be 150 for the 4th week and is recalculated week to week for the rest of the year. New bowlers are given an average the first week based on that one week of bowling and recalculated week to week so their handicap is based on the one week of play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordman1 View Post
    Does any use the cushion or even understand it?
    Not sure I'm familiar with that term, how does it work?

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    OK Tony it works like this. We used to use 30 games now we use 21.
    Say your carry over average from last years in the league was 200 or if you are new the highest book average from the last 3 years us used.
    You begin with 21 games bowled and a pin count of 4200
    Week one you bowl 500 so your new count is 4700 pins and 24 games = avg. of 195
    after week two's 750, pin count is 5450 for 27 games = avg of 201
    Just keep adding on until you get 21 games actual and drop the 21 games and 4200 pins.
    You would use your actual 21 game average.
    Any good bowling program does this automatically BLS for example.
    The good and not so good bowlers don't have drastic average changes using this.
    Some vary after 21 games but the 10 pin drop rule helps with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    In most of the leagues around my area they use your book average and handicap for the first 3 weeks after that your average would be 150 for the 4th week and is recalculated week to week for the rest of the year. New bowlers are given an average the first week based on that one week of bowling and recalculated week to week so their handicap is based on the one week of play.
    One of my leagues uses this method although we use the previous years average and not book unless they are new to the league then we use book and I kind of like it. The only issue I've seen with it was last year we had an older bowler who averaged 210 the previous season but had a minor stroke during the summer after the first week it was apparent he was not going to average anywhere close to that anytime soon. We called a team captains meeting and agreed to rate his average week to week to not put his team at a competitive disadvantage. He ended up ate 145 for the year started about 120 for the first few weeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    In most of the leagues around my area they use your book average and handicap for the first 3 weeks after that your average would be 150 for the 4th week and is recalculated week to week for the rest of the year. New bowlers are given an average the first week based on that one week of bowling and recalculated week to week so their handicap is based on the one week of play.
    I think this is what my league uses for the New bowlers like me. Our first week we didn't know if we won or lost until I finished the last game and had an average for the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fordman1 View Post
    OK Tony it works like this. We used to use 30 games now we use 21.
    Say your carry over average from last years in the league was 200 or if you are new the highest book average from the last 3 years us used.
    You begin with 21 games bowled and a pin count of 4200
    Week one you bowl 500 so your new count is 4700 pins and 24 games = avg. of 195
    after week two's 750, pin count is 5450 for 27 games = avg of 201
    Just keep adding on until you get 21 games actual and drop the 21 games and 4200 pins.
    You would use your actual 21 game average.
    Any good bowling program does this automatically BLS for example.
    The good and not so good bowlers don't have drastic average changes using this.
    Some vary after 21 games but the 10 pin drop rule helps with that.
    That looks familiar, I want say a similar system was used in a recurring monthly tournament many years ago. That or I just read it in something years ago.

    But in all the leagues over the years I've bowled on or seen around, none of them ever used that system.

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    1828 many leagues are ran by the better bowlers. Get enough of them and you control the bylaws.
    Our league has been using the cushion for more than 20 years. The 10 pin drop for about 15.
    For a good league you need fair rules for high avg. and not so high ones.
    Set a team cap then invite all the 230 bowlers you want just don't let them get on the same teams.

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