Sandbaggers........

[Tony]

One of my leagues uses this method although we use the previous years average and not book unless they are new to the league then we use book and I kind of like it. The only issue I've seen with it was last year we had an older bowler who averaged 210 the previous season but had a minor stroke during the summer after the first week it was apparent he was not going to average anywhere close to that anytime soon. We called a team captains meeting and agreed to rate his average week to week to not put his team at a competitive disadvantage. He ended up ate 145 for the year started about 120 for the first few weeks

They call it Bk average on the score sheet, it is the prior years average. My assumption is they are calling it / using the 'book" average for that league if you bowled in that league, and not your highest book average.
I would certainly agree that a physical change like your example is a good reason to make an exception to the rule.

[2handedsniper]

in my league people sandbag by not showing up or by saving "the lanes are wet"

[JaxBowlingGuy]

in my league people sandbag by not showing up or by saving "the lanes are wet"

Not showing up wouldn't be sandbagging. The only time not showing up would be of benefit would be if the persons league average is over the league handicap.

[fordman1]

The last two post are really confusing. I don't understand either. Can someone explain either?

[fordman1]

Robert it says you avg. is 219. So if the league H\C is 215 what would you never show up again? You lost me somewhere.

2 hander I have no idea what you are talking about?

[zacks]

Robert it says you avg. is 219. So if the league H\C is 215 what would you never show up again? You lost me somewhere.

2 hander I have no idea what you are talking about?

I think what he is saying is if the league uses cumulative individual handicaps instead of the team difference, a 230 average bowler in a 220 handicap league would get 10 free pins by not showing up. 230 blind plus 0 handicap which equals 230 whereas a 210 bowler would get 210 blind plus 10 handicap which equals 220.

I have no idea how saying the lanes are wet could be sandbagging?? Maybe using that as an excuse for bowling bad?

[ep1977]

My leagues sheets just came out today and after 3 weeks almost every bowler in the league with an average over 210 has a "d" next to there average. For those that don't know that means they took a 10 pin drop. This further proves my point that almost all sandbagging is done by the bowlers with the highest averages.

[JaxBowlingGuy]

I think what he is saying is if the league uses cumulative individual handicaps instead of the team difference, a 230 average bowler in a 220 handicap league would get 10 free pins by not showing up. 230 blind plus 0 handicap which equals 230 whereas a 210 bowler would get 210 blind plus 10 handicap which equals 220.

I have no idea how saying the lanes are wet could be sandbagging?? Maybe using that as an excuse for bowling bad?

Exactly.. All our leagues use individual handicaps not team handicap. For example my current league average is 237 after the 3rd week. Our handicap is based on 220 so if I sit out the next two weeks it guarantees the team an extra 17 pins a game over the handicap. Now on the 3rd week of missing they take 10 off your average which even then I'd still be over the handicap and technically helping the team.

Now I don't do that, I was just trying to make sense of the post I was replying to.

[fordman1]

Thanks for the clarification. It makes my point that if it is a team league it should be team H\C. Now if the league had a maximum team average and a H\C from say 1100 every team is on equal footing. Our league does that at 90%. Any time you have an average cap of 220 and bowlers with 237 it is easy to see the higher average bowlers are making the rules.

[JaxBowlingGuy]

We have 2 bowlers in the 230s, and probably 5 maybe in the 220, out of 108 bowlers. I think the high average is greatly outweighed in voting power.