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    why do I constantly pull the ball?And anything else you see. I have a bad back and I'm a large short man. ....lol I'm sure I will get a lot of advice here and I hope it helps me and others.....

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    First thing I notice is you're outside the ball almost immediately. As for pulling it looks like since your so outside of the ball Your follow through is going across your body vs straight through.

    I think if you can stay behind the ball a little better it would help with straightening the swing and therefore help with pulling it.



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    While I agree with StormBowler13's assessment this shot wasn't pulled. This one comes down to lane play and the fact the ball is hitting too much friction too soon causing it to cross over.
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    While it's difficult to assess timing from a back view, the way your right foot comes forward after the shot indicates that your timing may be late. If it is, the most common way to compensate is by pulling the bowling shoulder forward to help to get the ball to catch up with your body. This usually results in a pulled shot.

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    What does outside the ball mean? I consider that pulling since I was actually trying to get the ball out further to the right. Maybe I'm using the term incorrect, Even when I try playing an inside line my arm does not want to seem to get the ball out to the right. If I could keep the ball to the right I know it will come back in.
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    Look at your hand in Stormbowler13's screen shots. The ball is between you and your hand, hence hand outside the ball. Behind the ball means the palm is behind the ball. Inside the ball means the image from left to right would be body, hand then ball.

    Basically take the rear view of the ball and break it into three vertical sections. Inside, behind and outside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOUVIT View Post
    If I could keep the ball to the right I know it will come back in.
    That is the heart of the problem with a THS condition, and a resin ball.

    To keep the ball to the right, you have to throw it weaker, and by throwing it weaker, even if it does make it back, it hits like crap.

    To control that hook it appears you need to move both your feet, and your target at the arrows left.

    When the ball is in the oil, and thrown to the right, it will keep going right until it hits friction.

    The problem I see with how you throw the ball is mainly in the gap between the left ankle, and the ball at the point of release.

    The ball is out so far and the force from the ball before as leaves your hand, is not being compensated by shifting body weight to the left side of your slide foot.

    The result of that imbalance is you have to step to the right to keep from falling over.

    If you swing the ball closer to your ankle, less tipping force is generated.

    Over time, you learn to prepare for that force from the ball, and compensate for it ahead of time such that without the ball, (like in front of a mirror) you would almost tip over to the left.
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    I agree with most of what is said. I only make one suggestion. LOOK further down the lane for the spot to throw your ball at. A further target and a mental picture of the line that gets there may also help with the delivery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOUVIT View Post
    What does outside the ball mean? I consider that pulling since I was actually trying to get the ball out further to the right. Maybe I'm using the term incorrect, Even when I try playing an inside line my arm does not want to seem to get the ball out to the right. If I could keep the ball to the right I know it will come back in.
    Just came across a series of videos on YouTube regarding the Kegel Training Center in Florida which I feel fits with your questions.
    They're showing several drills that their students work on to improve their bowling techniques and that's what it's meant to do.
    First is the stance and start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpw5FEe33QM
    Second is the swing and slide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrRIb08WThM

    Note the position of the student's hand as he swings and delivers the ball. Note how far from his slide foot's ankle the ball is. Note the student's finish position at the foul line as he posts his shot. Note that the bowling hand is positioned in such a way that the fingers are underneath the ball and the thumb is essentially pointing toward the right gutter.
    Even with our older bodies we should be able to improve our form to come closer to what the student does in the videos mentioned above. If you're not able to bend your knees like you did many years ago, that's okay; however, keeping your hand behind the ball is important with your fingers underneath. You'll see that it will keep you from pulling the ball off to the left.
    Hope this helps...

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    Quote Originally Posted by billf View Post
    Look at your hand in Stormbowler13's screen shots. The ball is between you and your hand, hence hand outside the ball. Behind the ball means the palm is behind the ball. Inside the ball means the image from left to right would be body, hand then ball.

    Basically take the rear view of the ball and break it into three vertical sections. Inside, behind and outside.

    Dam you are correct....that was I problem that i thought I had corrected. I start with my thumb at 1 o'clock and I am again turning the hand on the swing
    I also see where the ball is not close to my body.I'll work on these 2 for now starting tomorrow morning..thanks... I just watched this video like 10 time after reading the reponses and now see it all/ I was lucky enough to have my son and grandson there to video a bit. I didn't want to ruin their outing by being too serious. I need to set up my phone somehow to video myself.
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