I'll probably get hammered for this question

[LOUVIT]

I own a Track Heat and a Storm Phaze. From what I hear the Phaze should hit harder and carry more than the Heat. Whenever I leave a 7 pin where the 5 misses it or a weak 10 pin I wonder if the Phaze would have taken them out. Why do I bowl better with the Heat and feel more comfortable? I really hate leaving the Phaze out of it, I try it every week. Don't ask me what's it's doing or how it's reacting differently because I really don't know. Should I work on getting the Phaze working or just keep throwing the weaker heat?

let's hear it!..lol

Lou

[Mike White]

I own a Track Heat and a Storm Phaze. From what I hear the Phaze should hit harder and carry more than the Heat. Whenever I leave a 7 pin where the 5 misses it or a weak 10 pin I wonder if the Phaze would have taken them out. Why do I bowl better with the Heat and feel more comfortable? I really hate leaving the Phaze out of it, I try it every week. Don't ask me what's it's doing or how it's reacting differently because I really don't know. Should I work on getting the Phaze working or just keep throwing the weaker heat?

let's hear it!..lol

Lou

Whenever you leave a 7 pin, you've hit the headpin either high, or light.

You should never rely of the 5 pin to take out the 7 pin, the 5 pin's job is to take out the 8 pin.

So ask yourself, do you need a different ball to hit the headpin in a different location?

As for a 10 pin, that's a balancing act, as your ball gets stronger to take out the 10 pin, you're increasing your chances of leaving a 9 pin.

[Amyers]

Just because the heat came in weak doesn't mean the phaze would have been better could easily have been worse. It's the right ball on the right condition. The phaze from what I've seen has a hook stop motion that I'm not crazy about.

The best thing to do is practice with them both. It could be the phaze performs better with a different line than your using. Try moving deeper with or playing more straight up and you may find that utilizing different parts of the land it out performs the heat

[LOUVIT]

Just because the heat came in weak doesn't mean the phaze would have been better could easily have been worse. It's the right ball on the right condition. The phaze from what I've seen has a hook stop motion that I'm not crazy about.

The best thing to do is practice with them both. It could be the phaze performs better with a different line than your using. Try moving deeper with or playing more straight up and you may find that utilizing different parts of the land it out performs the heat

come to think of it, when I said I can't tell you why...the Phaze does tricks like that. I am happy with the shot and it dies....The Heat does not come in weak at all. Since I am new to this new reactive ball stuff I just expect more from the Phaze, maybe I read too much..lol. I am bowling on an afternoon senour league but I see the oil machine doing whatever it does when I get there. I was using the Phaze for my strike ball and the Track for 10 pins now I use the track for all. Not that I mind I just thought a stronger ball would be better. Remember I haven't bought a ball in 25 years and it was plastic on wood and crank...lol still learning

[LOUVIT]

Whenever you leave a 7 pin, you've hit the headpin either high, or light.

You should never rely of the 5 pin to take out the 7 pin, the 5 pin's job is to take out the 8 pin.

So ask yourself, do you need a different ball to hit the headpin in a different location?

As for a 10 pin, that's a balancing act, as your ball gets stronger to take out the 10 pin, you're increasing your chances of leaving a 9 pin.

so on a light hit what does take out the 7? I always thought it was the 5..but I can't see...lol

[Amyers]

come to think of it, when I said I can't tell you why...the Phaze does tricks like that. I am happy with the shot and it dies....The Heat does not come in weak at all. Since I am new to this new reactive ball stuff I just expect more from the Phaze, maybe I read too much..lol. I am bowling on an afternoon senour league but I see the oil machine doing whatever it does when I get there. I was using the Phaze for my strike ball and the Track for 10 pins now I use the track for all. Not that I mind I just thought a stronger ball would be better. Remember I haven't bought a ball in 25 years and it was plastic on wood and crank...lol still learning

Sounds like you see about what I see from that ball. My suggestion would be try it on a tighter more inside line. This should help the flip/stop be later and retain more energy. It may be that on your senior league is on shorter lighter pattern that doesn't fit the Phase well. I know our senior leagues here if they oil it's that way if they oil for it all. In the end you may find it's just a ball that doesn't fit your game well. I won one in a tip drawling or something and promptly traded it because I didn't like the way it rolled except for higher speed bowlers. I have seen a few that were drilled up quite a while after the ball first came out that rolled better but I just didn't like the look of it with most bowlers.

When that ball first came out there must have been 25 of them on my Saturday night league more than any ball I've ever seen that was a new release. I think it's down to 4 that are regularly using it still.

[Turkey Track Hammer]

I think part of the problem is thinking that the Track, is a weaker ball.

[billf]

Use the ball that carry's the best.

That weaker, stronger crap is just somebody's opinion based on who knows what. USBC says the earlier a ball reads the stronger it is. Most league bowlers would disagree thinking the harder it snaps at the breakpoint the stronger it is. But on what lane condition? They don't tell us that. A heay oil ball is made to perform in....heay oil. It does not perform even better with less oil.

[RobLV1]

Here's a pertinent question: If you use a "strong" ball and it rolls out at 40', is it then a "weak" ball? Conversely, if you use a "weak" ball and it retains the energy to carry all ten pins, is it then a "strong" ball? The whole Weak/Strong thing concerning bowling balls is the most detrimental thing that a bowler can think to mess up his ability to make smart ball choices and changes. Balls roll early, or they roll late. It's not a matter of weaker or stronger, it simply a matter of different.

[Mike White]

Here's a pertinent question: If you use a "strong" ball and it rolls out at 40', is it then a "weak" ball? Conversely, if you use a "weak" ball and it retains the energy to carry all ten pins, is it then a "strong" ball? The whole Weak/Strong thing concerning bowling balls is the most detrimental thing that a bowler can think to mess up his ability to make smart ball choices and changes. Balls roll early, or they roll late. It's not a matter of weaker or stronger, it simply a matter of different.

Whats even more detrimental is this notion that the ball loses energy.

What a ball does is lose linear velocity and axis of rotation, while gaining angular velocity, and momentum towards the pocket.

If the ball encounters friction before the end of the pattern, it can potentially lose the momentum gained by running up against the wall of oil.

When a ball is released, it has a specific energy level, due to it's linear velocity, and it's angular velocity.

As the ball travels down the lane, energy is neither created, nor destroyed, it is merely transformed from linear to angular.