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    Default can't remember the exact name, this week the swing open?

    One lane with 35' of oil and the other with 55' ?????? My pso Tom bowled against belmo and they were both throwing straight balls on the 55' pattern. I've never seen that before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOUVIT View Post
    One lane with 35' of oil and the other with 55' ?????? My pso Tom bowled against belmo and they were both throwing straight balls on the 55' pattern. I've never seen that before.
    You're thinking the King of Swing event (last event)

    If you notice the oil pattern graphic, there is a TON of oil inside 15 which acts like massive hold area.

    They may have been able to score with a more normal line, but it's hard to beat your opponent when they are taking advantage of the help on the lane, and you aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike White View Post
    You're thinking the King of Swing event (last event)

    If you notice the oil pattern graphic, there is a TON of oil inside 15 which acts like massive hold area.

    They may have been able to score with a more normal line, but it's hard to beat your opponent when they are taking advantage of the help on the lane, and you aren't.
    50+ feet of oil i'm guessing there is quite a bit of hold area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fortheloveofbowling View Post
    50+ feet of oil i'm guessing there is quite a bit of hold area.

    Ya think? lol, dam 2 big hook guy's throwing straight balls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fortheloveofbowling View Post
    50+ feet of oil i'm guessing there is quite a bit of hold area.


    Hold area isn't strictly about the lack of friction.

    If the oil is thick enough, it acts like a "mountain range" with a height that is difficult to summit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOUVIT View Post
    Ya think? lol, dam 2 big hook guy's throwing straight balls.
    They weren't "straight" balls, they just hooked MUCH later than you're accustomed to seeing.

    When was the last time you saw actual straight balls carry as well as what you saw in this tournament?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike White View Post
    They weren't "straight" balls, they just hooked MUCH later than you're accustomed to seeing.

    When was the last time you saw actual straight balls carry as well as what you saw in this tournament?
    Mike, those guys were covering 3 boards on the back end max.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by fortheloveofbowling View Post
    Mike, those guys were covering 3 boards on the back end max.....
    How many boards are required to be considered not straight?

    3 boards in 10 feet is more angle than if you released on the 1 board, and went straight at the pocket 60 feet later.

    Add to that the consistency of exiting the pattern on that same board due to the wall of oil, and you're much better off than attempting to shoot straight from the corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike White View Post
    They weren't "straight" balls, they just hooked MUCH later than you're accustomed to seeing.

    When was the last time you saw actual straight balls carry as well as what you saw in this tournament?
    I didn't mean a line drive...lol.. but they sure weren't bellying the ball and as far as carry is it really hook or revs? Even a straight ball can hit hard with good revs I would think
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOUVIT View Post
    I didn't mean a line drive...lol.. but they sure weren't bellying the ball and as far as carry is it really hook or revs? Even a straight ball can hit hard with good revs I would think
    What is the purpose of bellying the ball?

    Does that purpose apply on 50 feet oil with a massive wall at 15 board?

    You need the ball to hook to achieve the amount of deflection that gives the best chance of knocking all 10 pins down.

    If you could release the ball from a couple lanes over, and loft the ball such that it lands on your lane, then you could throw it straight and achieve the equivalent of hook.

    Since that technique isn't encouraged, you learn to hook the ball.

    To hook the ball, you need good revs.

    But good revs, that don't cause the ball to hook (think plastic ball) are no better than no revs at all.

    Deflection is based on impact angles, and momentum.

    Understanding deflection would require some familiarity with physics.

    One of the laws you learn in physics is during a collision between two objects, the sum of the objects momentum before the collision is the same as the sum of the objects momentum after the collision.

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