If it is a team game why do you have individual handicap? We use 90% from 1100. Only time individual h\c comes into play if in Jackpots and they are 100% from 230.
I was in a league a couple of years ago where in the meeting, someone recommended the rules change from 90% of 200, to 90% 0f 225 because there was a person in the league who averaged 220 the previous season.Originally Posted by foreverincamo
The loudest objection came from a guy who averages 180.
His reason was the 220 guy's scores were high enough, he didn't need any handicap in addition.
I explained to the 180 guy that while the 220 guy would be getting 4 pins, the 180 guy would be getting 22 more pins.
I guess people are accustomed to people supporting rules if those rules give the supporter an advantage.
They ultimately settled on 90% of 210.
If it is a team game why do you have individual handicap? We use 90% from 1100. Only time individual h\c comes into play if in Jackpots and they are 100% from 230.
Getting everyone to agree about what is fair is actually simple.
The solution to fair, also happens to be the solution to slow bowling because of smoking, drinking, child care, talking, etc.
At the beginning of the session, for each point to be awarded, the team captains flip a coin to determine who wins the point.
You can't get any fairer than a coin flip.
Also if the other team is slow, your team just keeps on bowling.
When you've completed all your games, or if for any reason you can't complete, you're free to leave, since the points have already been decided.
I am saying that a bowler threw a 300 game and lost the jackpot. Not by a few pins but by 35. That's crazy. I also lost the jackpot when I shot 300 in 2014.
My last league before 2014 ended in 1994. We used 80% of 210 back then. Now it's 80% of 230. How much handicap is needed to " level" the playing field?
If you shot 300 and didn't win the side pot then someone else shot more over their average than you did.
The issue isn't handicap, its easy oil patterns which allow averages to be inflated while the highest possible score still remains 300.
Side pots have nothing to do with bylaws. They are not controlled by the league. If you don't like the way they are run don't get in or start one you think is more fair to you.
If your side pots include handicap, don't they use the same values (90% of 220 for example) that your league voted into bylaws?
They use the same handicap formula as the league uses. They used to alternate weeks and go hi scratch, hi handicap, hi scratch then reverse it the next week. Now it's all handicap every game. I shot 111 pins over my average and still lost with my 300.
It's not a killer league. There is one guy who gets 0 handicap. There are a few guys between 210 to 225. The rest are under 210, some as low as 100. The money at the end of the year is almost the same whether you win the league or come in last. It's like bowling and having a savings account to pay for the upcoming golf season.
Until they ban smoke breaks, I may never join another league. The breaks throw me out of rhythm, and the smell of cancer sticks are disgusting.
No they are different. I took over pots a year before being elected Sec. The old collector and two of his friends were averaging 225-230 and his h\c was 100% from 200 and it was a 12 team league. He refused to change to something different. So I started a 100% from 230 and after 2 weeks no one got into his pot and it folded. The league is now a full house and our post will be over $100,000 again this year.
Again pots are independent of league functions. Every league is different and that is the way it should be but all should try to be as fair as possible. Nothing wrong with scratch pots.
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