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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    The breakpoint really doesn't matter (concerning the line). Using the standard math (Rule of ???)
    Your thinking of the exit point formula (Rule of 31). If your on a THS yes don't worry about PL-31.

    ...the breakpoint is always about 7-9...right around the 2nd tracer (if you're bowling on lanes that have tracers).
    Basically what you are referring to is what I call the "sweet spot" it's shown in Ron Cliftons article "Breakpoints and Drawing Lines on the Lane (Part 1)"

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    Years back when I went to Kegel, they had that spot marked on the lane. They basically said if you rolled the ball (properly) through that area, the ball would probably strike or as Ron C. said "The area between the two pieces of tape represents the area of the lane where your breakpoint will have the best chance of striking."

    And they were pretty much right.

    In one of Slowinski's articles it called Zone 2, see BTM article "Matching ball motion shape to breakpoint zones"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCM View Post
    Are you guys suggesting that I should just pick one ball and make it work regardless?
    I'm not!

    I just think you have a good selection of equipment now and before investing hard earned $$$ in a new ball. You should Re-evaluate your current balls and your selection process on when to use each ball (plus if needed adjust surfaces), to see if your really have a hole that needs filling.

    If anything this will give you better insight on the equipment you have now and help refine the selection process of a new ball if one is needed.

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    What does 18 to 8 mean?

    I assumed standing 2 boards right of center (18) and targeting the 8-board.

    I just got done playing on wood lanes for the first time in quite awhile and it was very interesting. I was throwing my Scandal Pearl up 5-7 and standing 14-15...but more on that in my scores section.
    Generally when someone states they are playing 18 to 8 or something similar the first number is their target (usually at the arrows but in this case at the laydown point) and their break point. His clarification does tighten his line up some which answer my thought of how he gets the ball back from there with his speed and rev rate but it's not in the dirt either. I'm sure the OP was referring to one possible line not his only line.

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    Yeah I'd guess if we're talking arrows I'd be about 13-14 out to 8 then back. Maybe I should actually figure out what my rev rate is. I did count my revs, figure out the time, and multiply it. I got 336. I'd guess it varies from 320-350 if I had to guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowl1820 View Post
    Years back when I went to Kegel, they had that spot marked on the lane. They basically said if you rolled the ball (properly) through that area, the ball would probably strike or as Ron C. said "The area between the two pieces of tape represents the area of the lane where your breakpoint will have the best chance of striking."

    And they were pretty much right.
    Mark Baker used to say something similar during my lessons. He'd say that most of the time...if my ball hit the 2nd tracer (or just to the outside of it)...it would strike. And, most of the time...he was correct.

    Unfortunately, not all lanes have tracers and trying to aim for a spot that far downlane isn't as easy as aiming for a spot closer to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCM View Post
    I feel a lot of condescension from some of you guys (real or imaginary, it's hard to tell online), when my only goal is to get better.
    Ball suggestion/Arsenal suggestion threads usually get a little "testy" because there are two factions:
    1) Those that will suggest whatever ball they personally like.
    2) Those that will suggest you learn more about ball technology to make a more informed decision.

    So, if I were to start a thread like this (which I likely wouldn't)...and ask, "What ball should I get....I'm looking at a Brunswick Nirvanna or a Storm Lock." Most likely...the Brunswick guys will talk about how awesome the Nirvanna is and the Storm guys will tell you that ya can't go wrong with the Lock. The you'll get the other brand loyalists chiming in with "You should try a Rotogrip Haywire! Mine is awesome!" or "Dude...what you really need is a Motiv Tank....it blows those balls our of the water!"

    Then...I'd ge the opposite responses from folks like Rob and myself...which would sound like, "Why are you looking at those two? Where are they fitting in your arsenal/progression? What are they replacing?"

    I don't usually ask ball advice...because I have a decent grasp of the ball specifications and what I'm looking for. BUT...sometimes if I am torn between 1-5 balls...I might ask this question:

    I'm replacing my Radical Reax Pearl with a DV8 Thug Life. The Thug Life has almost the same specifications...same manufacturer/different brand. Would it be a good 1:1 replacement? Or should I save the Thug Life as a replacement for my Scandal Pearl....and look for something more like a Nirvanna...or a Mako...or a Sure Lock....something solid (versus pearl) that might allow me to play further inside?"

    By asking the question in that way...it narrows down the responses to various points of view of those specific balls....restricted to how I plan to use them and it eliminates alot (although not all) of the brand loyalist/ball loyalist white noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCM View Post
    Yeah I'd guess if we're talking arrows I'd be about 13-14 out to 8 then back. Maybe I should actually figure out what my rev rate is. I did count my revs, figure out the time, and multiply it. I got 336. I'd guess it varies from 320-350 if I had to guess.
    If you've taken it that far you've went farther than most. It is good information to have but doesn't have to be exact. The numbers do matter at 300 and your speed your pretty speed dominate at 350 your getting closer to being matched.

    As far as your responses don't take anything personally. The info here can be pretty good but you do have some posters that read their personal pet peeves into every post and reply accordingly.

    I personally believe have a arsenal that will have handle different conditions and allow you to play different parts of the lane is a good thing. On the other side bowlers who try to force a line with ball changes instead of moving their feet are hurting themselves. How many balls you need really depends on how and where you bowl at. I regularly bowl at 4 different centers and a travel league that bowls all over the state so I keep 5-7 balls drilled up (not always with me). If I only bowled at 1-2 centers I could get away with 1-2. I know some bowlers who are high end tournament bowlers that drill balls to play specific patterns. Bowling is fun and at the end of the day happiness to all weather they even shoot spares with their strike ball or those who are ball whores.
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    I was really just looking for suggestions of balls people liked for certain situations that might match up with what I was looking for. I like the idea of an aggressive symmetrical ball like the Haywire, but only on synthetics. On wood Solid and especially sanded balls aren't very helpful. Something like the Hyroad would probably be plenty on wood because my Scandal is almost too much. I just had the Code Red in mind because it seems like an asym Fusion. Same cover and finish, stronger core. But I'll likely wait on that one and try some surface on my Pitbull.

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    You also have to consider that very, very few members (RobM and ????) are going to have a great grasp of every ball out there and/or every manufacturer.

    I have a decent grasp on Brunswick and some of the Columbia stuff....a little about Radical...but I have no idea when it comes to Motiv or AMF or 900Global. And very little idea regarding Storm, DV8, or Rotogrip. So, when you talk about the Scandal Pearl and Gauntlet...I kinda know what you're talking about. And I've seen plenty of people throw the Hy Road. But I have no idea concerning the "Code Red"...didn't even know that was a ball. And I'm a bit biased against the Rotogrip stuff...just haven't been able to throw Rotogrip very well. Seen a lot of folks throwing the Haywire...some love it...some hate it. I've seen a lot of people throwing the No Rules with decent success. And I know a bunch of people that really did well with the Hyper Cell.

    Sometimes, I don't know if you tried it, using the bowlingball.com "compare" feature can give you a nice comparison of the specs...a decent place to start.

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    Code Red is Storm's hybrid version of the Code Black ball. Basically a Hy-Road cover with a Rad4 core. That's what I thought was interesting about it since I had so much success with my Fusion (which also had the hyroad cover) but sometimes wished it was a little more aggressive.

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