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    Good to know. That was kinda my plan going in as the week before I struggled and after reading some of the posts on here and thinking about it. I wasn't thinking about a 'cushion' but more along the lines that I needed oil and playing the same line as them didn't work the week before, even after I tried to adjust to it.

    Surprisingly to me my 3 games are very close together this season. Game 1-3022 pins (177.76). Game 2-3017 pins (177.47). Game 3-3020 pins (177.64). Seems like up until a few weeks ago my 2nd game was my worst (last season I was 20 pins lower in game 2 while game 1 and 3 were the same). So based on what Rob said I must be getting a little better dealing with the transition?

    The other 2 lefties on my team don't adjust much. They will target the 2nd arrow and move their feet a couple boards and/or adjust speed a little or switch balls. But rarely ever leave the 10 board as their target. The lefty on the other team last week started out on the same line but I noticed in game 3 he was targeting the 15 board.
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    Well tonight was rough but there were bright spots. I struggled compared to the last 4 weeks but was pretty close to my overall average and was 5/6 on single pin spares so that was an improvement. Just struggled to hit the pocket tonight. Targeted 2nd arrow in warmups and did good. Once game 1 started I kept hitting light. Made and adjustment but would hit light one frame then high the next. Moved out to the first arrow and was better but still not as consistent as I should have been. Tried moving back just inside the 10 board but still struggled so went back out to the 5-7 board and stayed there. I stuck with the Conspiracy all night as I figured a ball change wouldn't help my accuracy. One thing I noticed was I was my speed was way up. I did try to slow it up a few times but it didn't help. I just felt off tonight. Had my hopes up after the last 2 weeks but just couldn't figure it out tonight. We lost all 3 games. I did get better as the night went on again so that's a good thing (162, 179, 184). Had a 175 average and my average for the season was 177 so close to it. There were a few times I hit a nice pocket shot and the next ball it would just go straight and miss the headpin. The shot looked the same and the release felt good but the ball never broke. I had good revs all night and was getting a pretty good angle into the pins. It just seemed like I hit my mark most times but the ball would either be too light or too high. Not sure if it was me or the line was that sensitive. Either way I tried the 5-7 boards and 10-12 boards and nothing helped. Dunno. Maybe a different ball would have helped?

    Hoping next week is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boatman37 View Post
    Well tonight was rough but there were bright spots. I struggled compared to the last 4 weeks but was pretty close to my overall average and was 5/6 on single pin spares so that was an improvement. Just struggled to hit the pocket tonight. Targeted 2nd arrow in warmups and did good. Once game 1 started I kept hitting light. Made and adjustment but would hit light one frame then high the next. Moved out to the first arrow and was better but still not as consistent as I should have been. Tried moving back just inside the 10 board but still struggled so went back out to the 5-7 board and stayed there. I stuck with the Conspiracy all night as I figured a ball change wouldn't help my accuracy. One thing I noticed was I was my speed was way up. I did try to slow it up a few times but it didn't help. I just felt off tonight. Had my hopes up after the last 2 weeks but just couldn't figure it out tonight. We lost all 3 games. I did get better as the night went on again so that's a good thing (162, 179, 184). Had a 175 average and my average for the season was 177 so close to it. There were a few times I hit a nice pocket shot and the next ball it would just go straight and miss the headpin. The shot looked the same and the release felt good but the ball never broke. I had good revs all night and was getting a pretty good angle into the pins. It just seemed like I hit my mark most times but the ball would either be too light or too high. Not sure if it was me or the line was that sensitive. Either way I tried the 5-7 boards and 10-12 boards and nothing helped. Dunno. Maybe a different ball would have helped?

    Hoping next week is better.
    Was there a change in the weather; either temperature or humidity? Sometimes a change in the weather can create an over/under ball reaction. When this happens, you have to abandon the oil line and either play in the oil or play in the dry. Trying to play the oil line will cost you 20 pins a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    Was there a change in the weather; either temperature or humidity? Sometimes a change in the weather can create an over/under ball reaction. When this happens, you have to abandon the oil line and either play in the oil or play in the dry. Trying to play the oil line will cost you 20 pins a game.
    It has been much colder out, like 0* lately. Last night it was back to normal temps but the last 3 days or so were very cold.
    Sounds kind of like what I did. I had started out game 1 playing the 10 board like last week. Tried moving in a little and no change so went back to the 5-7 board and stayed there the rest of the night. Wasn't great but it was a little more consistent to the pocket out there. Would a ball change help in that situation?
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    Struggled again tonight. Got my average but that isn't good enough. Average is 177.60 and tonight it was 179.67 (161, 190, 181-539). I struggled with consistency all night, missing the pocket more than I hit it. Tugged a bunch of shots and a few got too far outside and wouldn't come back. I did happen to notice in the 3rd game the pair next to us had 17 splits between the 2 teams by about the 9th frame and the pair next to them was pretty close to that. Our pair we had about 10 between the 2 teams. I didn't have any all night but did leave the 1-3-7 twice (picked it up once) and left the 1-3-6-7 once and covered it even though they weren't splits. 2/3 on 7 pins too so happy about that.

    In warmups I struggled with the Conspiracy but that was more me than the ball so tried the Kingpin twice and pocket strikes for both so used the Kingpin for game 1. Switched to the Conspiracy for the last 2 games but game 1 and 2 tried to target near the 10-12 board but kept tugging the ball. Game 3 I moved to the 7 board and still tugged a few shots but when I didn't the ball hit the pocket like a truck. There were only 2 of us lefties on our pair so that might have had something to do with it.

    We won all 3 so happy with that. Our guys had 661, 647, 639, 535 and me at 539 so 3 of the 5 had good nights. The other 4 average about 191 to 200.
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    Rev Rate about 270 @ about 15.5 MPH at the pins* High Game: 290 - High Series: 733. PAP: 5 1/8"x1" up; tilt 20*, rotation 75*. YTD highs - 290-733
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    Horrible night. I had a 186, 151, and 137. Wasn't the lanes or the ball. I was just inconsistent and kept dropping the ball. Used the Conspiracy all night. There were 3 of them on our pair (the PSO and one of his teammates). I know the one teammate had a 268 and 258 in the first 2 games with it. I think the PSO had a 247 and 217 with his but he switched balls for the 3rd game. The other teammate used his all 3 games. I think he had a 211 the last game with it. The 3rd game the PSO switched to a Quantam Bias for a few frames then switched to the Squatch to end the game. I think he had a 190 that game. He kept leaving 10's until the Squatch.
    So far the Conspiracy is awesome. That teammate had a 300 with it a few weeks ago.
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    Rev Rate about 270 @ about 15.5 MPH at the pins* High Game: 290 - High Series: 733. PAP: 5 1/8"x1" up; tilt 20*, rotation 75*. YTD highs - 290-733
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    ok. now that I settled down a little...lol. I was really frustrated and just didn't care last night. Anyway, my speed was way up. I was hitting about 18.8-18.7 almost every ball. My 'normal' is about 17.2-17.7. I think that might have been some of my issue with accuracy and I also kept dropping the ball way early. It wasn't slipping and I wasn't dropping it I just kept skipping it before the foul line. I'm thinking with the increased speed my timing was way off and my feet were way ahead of my arm so I was letting go.

    Anyway, my accuracy was way off all night. Another thing I noticed recently is I can't see where my ball hits the arrows at. Not that my eyesight is bad, just that I can't seem to notice it like I used to. Maybe because of my speed or maybe because of a mental thing or something. It's almost like I black out lately on my approach and don't really remember any of it. Think I need to get back to basics here.
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    I always wonder where the speed quoted on here comes from. I never see anyone throwing the first ball at 17-18 mph. If you are letting your ball hit the floor in front of the foul line you are putting dents in the approach. If you can't see the arrows and are blacking out you better see a DR. Just an old veterans opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordman1 View Post
    I always wonder where the speed quoted on here comes from. I never see anyone throwing the first ball at 17-18 mph. If you are letting your ball hit the floor in front of the foul line you are putting dents in the approach. If you can't see the arrows and are blacking out you better see a DR. Just an old veterans opinion.
    I can think of several people I know whow consistently throw 17 to 18 mph on the first ball. Two of them throw pretty much straight at the pocket, one is a bronze level coach who likes to play as far outside as the pattern allows, three work for Buddies Pro Shop, and the others are either current or recently graduated youth bowlers.

    But then again, our center’s speed sensors may be highly optimistic
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    The center speed measurement is what I am talking about. The only time I see a ball over 20 is when some young bowler tries to make a 7-10. Rarely do I see some one averaging over 15-16 on the 1st ball. It is using the Brunswick Sync system. Measured near or at the pins.

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