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    I will try to get a pic tomorrow but it is my ball spinner box so it is a bigger box. The heat gun is inserted into one end then I have a plastic board angled with only about a 2" gap between the end of it and the side of the box and the ball is on the other side of that plastic 'diverter'. So no heat blows directly on the ball. And the heat gun hole is at floor level. With the box closed it got over 160* so I opened 3 of the 4 flaps and it stayed in the 140's. Still need a hole in the side though to get it a little cooler. I did the Kingpin and the BWG. The Kingpin had alot more oil come out and it was coming out even when I stopped. The BWG wasn't quite as bad.
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    It's funny how things sometimes come together. Today I went out to play golf and was partner up with another single. He could hit the ball a long, long way, but he had no idea how to play the game. You started this thread and called it, "Really need to work on my spares." The thread has now degenerated into a discussion of how you can make your bowling balls stronger. You and my golfing partner have tons in common. A spare in bowling is like learning to accept one bad shot in golf without turning it into a quadruple bogey. You need a system for spare shooting that you can depend on all the time.

    About 20 years ago I used to bowl in a scratch doubles league with a lady who was a very good bowler. At one point she commented that she was really impressed with my ability to convert the 2-8 double wood spare. I told her that it wasn't surprising as I got a lot of practice at it. I came up with a system where I move my feet five boards to the right and hit my strike target. Yesterday I was bowling in a high average league, and one of the spectators commented at how good I am at converting the 2-8, double wood spare. I told her that it's because I get so much practice at it. Oh, by the way, I still move my feet five boards to the right and hit my strike target, wherever I happen to be playing on the lane. That's my system for converting that spare, and it hasn't changed in over 20 years... why are you so worried about how to get more power by baking your balls?!?

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    Not baking them for making them stronger but trying to get them more consistent. Not sure if the oil affects consistency or not but at this point I'm trying about anything. I was much more consistent when they were newer. Can't say if that is me or the balls but all 3 of my strike balls are over 100 games or very close.

    I think as far as my spares I relied too much on past experience where I just went up and threw the ball without thinking about it. I never had to think about my spares before cause I had a system. That system hasn't been working, probably because I don't have it memorized and maybe because of the changes in lanes and balls since then.

    I watched a bunch of videos yesterday and one that surprised me was about single pin spares. You basically have 1/2 a lane of miss room to convert a single pin spare (except the 7 and 10). As long as you 'touch' the pin it is good. Being a bowling ball is 8.5" and the pin is 4.75" that means you have 17" for the ball (can be on either side of the pin) and 4.75" for the pin, meaning you have over a 21" area to make that pin. Hard to believe anybody can miss a single pin spare after seeing that. But yeah, going to start working on a system for spares and stick with it. Might try to get down there next Friday for a few hours of practice.
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    Here is my ball 'oven'...lol. This is my Rhino. It has not been baked but it has a 5000 grit pad with polish on it so it very shiny. The heat gun is at the top of the pic and you can see the thermometer sticking through the lid at the bottom. That flap stays closed and the others stay open but I still need to cut a 'vent' hole in it somewhere to control temps. Took about 10 minutes to make it. The diverter piece is that nylon type cutting board material. There is about a 1" gap between the end of that and the side of the box for the heat to get through. I check the ball every 2-3 minutes and wipe it off each time.
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    Sorry, but baking your bowling balls will not make them more consistent, it will, however, make them stronger... more like they were when they were new. The bad news is that making them more reactive will also make them more over-reactive when they are thrown inconsistently.

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    Well I only did 2. One I don't use at all so no big deal. The other was the BWG which I do use alot but last week none would hook. Will see this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boatman37 View Post

    I watched a bunch of videos yesterday and one that surprised me was about single pin spares. You basically have 1/2 a lane of miss room to convert a single pin spare (except the 7 and 10). As long as you 'touch' the pin it is good. Being a bowling ball is 8.5" and the pin is 4.75" that means you have 17" for the ball (can be on either side of the pin) and 4.75" for the pin, meaning you have over a 21" area to make that pin. Hard to believe anybody can miss a single pin spare after seeing that. But yeah, going to start working on a system for spares and stick with it. Might try to get down there next Friday for a few hours of practice.
    Sorry, I don’t care what expert said that there is a 21” area to make a single pin, you really have about 13”. If the center of your ball passes 10.5” from the center of the pin you will miss by about 4”. Still, 13” is more than a quarter of the width of the lane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Anderson View Post
    Sorry, I don’t care what expert said that there is a 21” area to make a single pin, you really have about 13”. If the center of your ball passes 10.5” from the center of the pin you will miss by about 4”. Still, 13” is more than a quarter of the width of the lane.
    The 21" is right also it's just a description of the "window/area" the whole ball has to pass through in order to hit a single pin. Based on the diameter of the ball and pin


    heres both versions


    However both of these areas shrink the closer the pin is to a gutter though as seen here.


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    Went back and watched some of my videos from when I first came back about 20 months ago. I struggled being off balance and hopping at the line. I noticed in those videos my ball was about 12" from my ankle at the release, which tells me I am either bent over sideways or really reaching at the shoulder to get the ball out there. Not sure if I am still doing it but will have a teammate watch tonight to see. My balance has been much better lately but I attributed that to the fact that I am not muscling the ball as much. But hard to say for sure. Need more recent video to see if it has changed.
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    Did much better tonight. Got the new Squatch pearl. Had as many strikes tonight as I had the last 2 weeks. Spares were much better but still need work on those. Used the Squatch all 3 games. Had to adjust a little near the end of game 1 as I started coming in high. Didn't have to adjust much in game2 but game 3 started getting harder to hit the pocket. Had been targeting the 9-10 board at the arrows until then. Game 3 I moved out to the 5-6 board and it came right back to the pocket again. Overall very happy with the ball. PSO commented how dry the lanes have been and how he has had to hit all of his with 4000 but he is a high rev bowler. He had a 715ish tonight using the Zing.
    My plan was to use the Rhino for all spares but didn't. I did use it more than I had been. Squatch was smooth and continuous.

    Bowled one of the top average teams. They are way down this year but last year they were all about 210-225. This year they are 199-210. The first 2 games we were 70 over our average but they were 120 over theirs. Game 3 we were barely over our average but they struggled so we got that game. We had been struggling as a team all year so it was frustrating to finally bowl good and get beat again.

    Us:
    540, 527, 640, 597, 598

    Them:
    633, 683, 692, 727, 515

    They were spotting us 82 pins per game.

    So might go down Friday and spend a few games only practicing spares then maybe 1 game doing a 1 step drill.

    I still had a few opens tonight that I should have covered but much better than I had been lately.

    Tonight I had a 202, 192, 203. Had 2 opens in the first 2 games then 1 in the last game.

    All-in-all it was progress. Normally I would be thrilled with a 597 but after the last few weeks I know I need to keep improving and my spare shooting is what will help the most.

    After tonight I'm wondering if the balls were more of the problem than I thought they were? Didn't do much different tonight but I was in the pocket most of my shots and didn't need to hit a 1/2" target.

    Oh...had 5 lefties again

    Last edited by boatman37; 09-25-2019 at 08:36 PM.
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