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    Yeah, for me anything inside the 10 is 'inside'. So lately the outsides have been very dry and that's where I like to play but last week I had to move inside. So for a slightly speed dominant bowler playing in the oil I'm guessing I want something that will read the lane sooner? I have been leaving my Kingpin home since I don't have any room in my bag. I do have my Conspiracy but it's at 3000. Wondering if I should take the Kingpin at 1000 in case I need to play deeper in the oil? With the Squatch and Black Widow Gold at the 10-12 board there was a slight hook but at the 15 board they were pretty straight.
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    That's what practice is for, and why different balls are important. A benchmark will give you a read on the lanes - a couple of shots and you will hopefully know what you'll need to do for that night. The inside line can be a real benefit for you when the outside or track area is fried. Playing with the surface is also good, especially if its with a ball you're maybe not using as much... there's nothing to lose at that point, so try 1000 and see what it does on an inside line.

    Finally, where I personally run into problems when I have good looks with multiple lines in practice. I can throw over 14 out to 5 and strike solidly and then try from 11-8 an d strike solidly (sometimes same ball, sometimes different... solid vs pearl, etc). I've had times where the game starts and I take 4 frames to figure out that even though I had a good look with both in practice, I started off with the "wrong" ball.

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    You really need to learn to look at the lanes differently: to move inside of ten, you need to look at the ball in terms of roll rather than hook. When you play in the dirt (outside of ten) you are pointing the ball at the pocket which often leads to artificially trying to make the ball hook. When you move into the oil, you need to see the friction that is past the pattern rather than the friction that is outside of the pattern like you are used to. The ball doesn't need to hook to strike; it does need to achieve maximum roll at the proper time to reach maximum power at the pins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    You really need to learn to look at the lanes differently: to move inside of ten, you need to look at the ball in terms of roll rather than hook. When you play in the dirt (outside of ten) you are pointing the ball at the pocket which often leads to artificially trying to make the ball hook. When you move into the oil, you need to see the friction that is past the pattern rather than the friction that is outside of the pattern like you are used to. The ball doesn't need to hook to strike; it does need to achieve maximum roll at the proper time to reach maximum power at the pins.
    When you say 'pointing at the pocket' do you mean a straight ball angled to the pocket? If so that isn't the case with mine. Mine rides about the 7 board until the breakpoint then hooks in. But nights like last week it was too dry out there and the ball would not skid, just roll. I'll admit I haven't spent enough time playing the 'inside' but when I do I seem to leave alot of 5's and 9's (lefty). Like my ball deflects too much off the 1-2. Maybe I need to hit a little higher in the pocket when it's that straight? I have been working on slowing my speed down though which should get a little more reaction once it hits the end of the pattern? Will see how tonight goes if I need to play inside.
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    Well tonight I played about 1/2 the night around the 10-12 board. When I played anywhere outside there I was coming across the head pin with the Conspiracy, Squatch and Black Widow Gold. Even on the 10 board I had to move right a couple of boards to keep it on the left side of the head pin. Talked to the PSO tonight and he said nothing has changed with the lanes or oil and he said he hasn't seen a difference. I dunno. Anyway, struggled playing the inside. Kept leaving pocket 7's then started pulling my shots and going Brooklyn. I'll keep working on it but even around 10-12 boards my ball was hooking quite a bit (all 3).
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    If your ball was still hooking playing 10 to 12, you probably didn't move in far enough. You mention leaving "pocket 7's", but were they ringing sevens or weak sevens? Since you were still crossing over, I'm guessing weak sevens that result from too much friction. Try moving in to 13-14, Mikey, you might like it!

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    Like RobLV1 said you got to move in especially on a house shot. Last night I was standing 35 and swinging inside the third arrow (right handed). If you are leaving weak 7's you need to move. Watch your ball go through the pins and if it goes off to the left thats no good it needs to split the 8 and 9 and you can tell. According to my bowler ID specs I am a low rev guy which I don't believe but I play deep on house. Try and make a big move and when you do commit to it. Steve
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    Thanks guys. I did think about moving a little further in but it's so far out of my comfort zone...lol. And from what I could tell they looked like flat 7's but not 100% positive. It only happened twice but it was back to back so I made a move. Both shots looked identical
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    My attitude has gotten a little better the last few days. If I encounter the same conditions I will play more inside and adapt. It's either that or get a ball that fits between the BWG and the Rhino. Or change up my release to take revs away. But makes no sense for a low rev player to try to decrease revs so I will try to adapt
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    Well played the 10 board all night tonight. Might not sound like much but I'm not comfortable playing there and usually struggle by pulling the ball but forced myself to stay there and get used to it. Plan was to move even further inside if I needed to but even with 5 lefties on our pair I still stayed in the same spot. I did adjust my speed a little to adjust to lane changes but it was minimal. For the most part did very well throwing the 10 board. Stood on about 20-21 board and threw over the 10 board at the arrows. Early on ball was going out to about the 8 board at the breakpoint but as I had to pick up speed it pretty much stayed straight. Talked to PSO when I got there and he said lanes were pretty wet last week. Last week I couldn't keep it on the left side of the head pin. I even dusted off the Kingpin and hit it with a fresh 1500 pad in case I had to play deep inside. I tried it a few times in warmpups targeting the 3rd arrow and it looked god but never had to try it in the games. Used the Conspiracy all night except the first half of game 2 when I tried the Squatch but the problems there were me and not the ball. Switched back to the Conspiracy near the end of game 2 and stuck with it the rest of the night.
    Arsenal "15# Radical Squatch Pearl" "15# Radical Conspiracy" "15# Brunswick Kingpin (at home on the shelf now)" "15# Hammer Black Widow Gold" "15# Brunswick Rhino Black Pearl"
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    Oh, and LEFTY!!!
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