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    So our league is experiencing a mass exodus of bowlers giving notice to quit - for various reasons. We lost 17 bowlers over our holiday break. We bowled our position round last Friday with the bowlers that were present.

    Since it is the start of our second half, the officers want to propose we drop from 16 teams to 12 teams and move about 4 bowlers to other teams.

    Our league rules (unfortunately) read: ROSTER / LEGAL LINEUP / SUBSTITUTES / FORFEITURES
    The league will consist of 16 teams (or more) with a playing strength of 4 persons. Rosters will be limited to 4 members per team. All members must be 18 years of age or older prior to bowling in the league.

    Would this need to be passed by a written 100% vote - and would this be with the "old" 16 team captains and officers; or could this be done with the "new" 12 team captains and officers. Or is this something that during our Covid year would be inconsequential?
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    Desperate times call for desperate measures. Do what you have to do to keep the league going. We are currently bowling trios on one lane, against a team on another lane with one vacant lane between us. Legal? Probably not, but at least we are bowling!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    Desperate times call for desperate measures. Do what you have to do to keep the league going. We are currently bowling trios on one lane, against a team on another lane with one vacant lane between us. Legal? Probably not, but at least we are bowling!
    Actually, that is currently legal as USBC adopted some temporary changes to the rules. I'm just confused on whether our situation would require a "rule change" vote; and by whom.

    Your situation is covered by this change: Effective immediately, USBC has temporarily waived USBC Playing Rules 106a, 106b, 320a and 320b, which state two lanes must be used for competition and bowlers must alternate lanes – bowling five frames on each lane of the pair. It also waived the requirement that both lanes must be used for a bowler to be eligible for awards and average recognition. The temporary waiver allows competitions to use one lane for the entirety of a game and allows recognition of scores bowled on a single lane for USBC High Score Awards and for a bowler’s official average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by classygranny View Post
    So our league is experiencing a mass exodus of bowlers giving notice to quit - for various reasons. We lost 17 bowlers over our holiday break. We bowled our position round last Friday with the bowlers that were present.

    Since it is the start of our second half, the officers want to propose we drop from 16 teams to 12 teams and move about 4 bowlers to other teams.

    Our league rules (unfortunately) read: ROSTER / LEGAL LINEUP / SUBSTITUTES / FORFEITURES
    The league will consist of 16 teams (or more) with a playing strength of 4 persons. Rosters will be limited to 4 members per team. All members must be 18 years of age or older prior to bowling in the league.

    Would this need to be passed by a written 100% vote - and would this be with the "old" 16 team captains and officers; or could this be done with the "new" 12 team captains and officers. Or is this something that during our Covid year would be inconsequential?
    This seems like something you could do with one rep from each of the existing teams (and also a rep from the bowling center) in a quick stand-up meeting before the next league session. The league President proposes a motion to change the league to 12 teams, asks if anyone seconds the motion, and then asks for the "yeas and nays". If it passes, then you all fight it out over who gets transferred to what team. The lane assignment schedule will also change based on 12 versus 16 teams.

    Honestly, this kind of thing happens regularly at our center and there is never a meeting. The center simply changes the lane assignments, works "behind the scenes" to move people to other teams, and everything just flows along. Moving people to other teams is the biggest challenge. Competitive people want to be on a "strong" team, some people don't like each other and will not bowl together, others don't really care.

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    That doesn't sound like a USBC kind of rule - just a league rule. Should be good to go with either captains or acting captains and rep from the center and a majority. Read the rest of your league rules, especially the part about changing things, which should be included. Any good rule-set (or by-laws or constitution or whatever) should have methodology for amendment/changing included in it.

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    Unfortunately, since it's the wording in our league rules, my concern is the USBC rule that states any changes to the rules after their acceptance must be approved 100% by BOD and in writing as stated in Rule 122 – Meetings
    After the league schedule begins, a change in the league rules and approved prize list can be made only with the written consent of every team captain or designated representative.

    That is my only concern...We have already restructured the members, and the prize fund isn't affected since it is based on points.

    Guess I will err on the side of caution and figure out a way to get the 100% even from the team that has resigned.
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    If a team resigns, they forfeit all rights and claims to anything related to the league. They don't need to be included in any votes to change any rules. You only need the vote of the remaining teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classygranny View Post
    So our league is experiencing a mass exodus of bowlers giving notice to quit - for various reasons. We lost 17 bowlers over our holiday break. We bowled our position round last Friday with the bowlers that were present.

    Since it is the start of our second half, the officers want to propose we drop from 16 teams to 12 teams and move about 4 bowlers to other teams.

    Our league rules (unfortunately) read: ROSTER / LEGAL LINEUP / SUBSTITUTES / FORFEITURES
    The league will consist of 16 teams (or more) with a playing strength of 4 persons. Rosters will be limited to 4 members per team. All members must be 18 years of age or older prior to bowling in the league.
    Would this need to be passed by a written 100% vote
    Since it's part of the league rules then Yes. (I believe you can just have the team captains or designated representatives sign a rule change proposal drew up by the secretary, I've seen that done before.)

    Rule 122 – Meetings
    Rules shall be adopted at a meeting prior to the start of the league schedule by the board of directors,
    unless the league elects to have its rules adopted by the membership. After the league schedule
    begins, a change in the league rules and approved prize list can be made only with the written consent
    of every team captain or designated representative.


    and would this be with the "old" 16 team captains and officers; or could this be done with the "new" 12 team captains and officers. Or is this something that during our Covid year would be inconsequential?
    The teams that withdrew are no longer part of the league, So would not be part of the vote. It would just be those that are left.

    and move about 4 bowlers to other teams.
    As for moving the players to other teams, I believe You should probably have a vote for that also (it might not be needed, but it would cover you just in case something comes up..

    Rule 107b. Transferring Team Membership
    Unless otherwise provided by league rule, a bowler listed on a team’s roster and whose scores have
    counted, may transfer to another team in the league during the season provided:
    1. Adult leagues: Two-thirds of the league’s team captains agree to the transfer. This provision does
    not apply to USBC closed leagues, or to any league which adopts its own rule to govern transfers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryster View Post
    If a team resigns, they forfeit all rights and claims to anything related to the league. They don't need to be included in any votes to change any rules. You only need the vote of the remaining teams.
    If the players withdraw properly from the league, They don't forfeit "all" rights and claims. I believe They could make a claim for any franchise, prize and any other money for which the team or individual may have been eligible.

    Commonly Asked Questions – Rule 114a.
    114a/4 If a team member resigns or is replaced during the season, are they entitled to share
    the team prize money?
    Regardless of how long bowlers compete with a team, they qualify for a prorated share of
    the team’s prize money provided they resigned in accordance with Rule 114a or were
    replaced by the team captain. (See Rule 104a.)
    Rule 104a, Item 12, requires the team captain to pay each member of the team within 15
    days after receiving prize money in accordance with any verbal or written agreements.
    USBC holds that prize distribution among team members is a team matter. When a member
    has bowled part of the season and is unable to be a member at the end of the schedule, it
    is common practice for teams to prorate prize money between the member who resigned
    and the replacement based on the number of games each bowled and paid for during the
    season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowl1820 View Post
    If the players withdraw properly from the league, They don't forfeit "all" rights and claims. I believe They could make a claim for any franchise, prize and any other money for which the team or individual may have been eligible.

    Commonly Asked Questions – Rule 114a.
    114a/4 If a team member resigns or is replaced during the season, are they entitled to share
    the team prize money?
    Regardless of how long bowlers compete with a team, they qualify for a prorated share of
    the team’s prize money provided they resigned in accordance with Rule 114a or were
    replaced by the team captain. (See Rule 104a.)
    Rule 104a, Item 12, requires the team captain to pay each member of the team within 15
    days after receiving prize money in accordance with any verbal or written agreements.
    USBC holds that prize distribution among team members is a team matter. When a member
    has bowled part of the season and is unable to be a member at the end of the schedule, it
    is common practice for teams to prorate prize money between the member who resigned
    and the replacement based on the number of games each bowled and paid for during the
    season.
    Honestly, I have had to resign from 2 leagues in the past 25 years. I did it in writing, and paid the 2 weeks of league fees as required by the rule. In neither case did I ever receive a prorated payout of the prize fund, nor did I expect to.

    The statement in the USBC rule book says it is "common practice" to prorate prize money, however it is not a rule that bowlers who resigned receive any kind of payout.

    The team could do it to be "nice", but they are under no obligation to include the former member in the payout.

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