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    My son was until recently using his first ball which was a 12 lb plastic drilled finger tip. Since he got that ball he's grown over a foot and 75lbs which is mostly muscle since he's an athlete. Surprisingly he was murdering the pins with that 12 pounder shooting a ton of big games including a 279 at a school bowling meet.

    The school of thought between myself and his coaches was if he could do that with a light plastic ball then he'd be killing it with a 15 lb reactive. So he was in love with my Venom Shock. Even though it's not a current ball I was easily able to find him one.

    Sadly it's had quite the opposite effect on his game. He said it hit like a train but he's very inconsistent with it. I was able to watch him the other day in practice and I notice he releases it way too early. It lands on the approach like he's dropping it. Second, the ball rolls out before it hits instead of driving through.

    He's also complaining about a very sore wrist. He acts like the ball is too heavy for him. The kids is 6 foot tall and 165 lbs with and bigger arms than mine. If my scrawny body can easily handle it, I can't believe he can't. His ball speed is slightly less than it was with his old ball.

    My theory is maybe he's trying to compensate for the weight difference. By forcing the ball to get his ball speed up which is causing him to drop it and not come through the ball on release? I have been busy so I haven't had a chance to get any video thus far.

    Any ideas? Rob, any input?

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    Ok so maybe his issues aren't as bad as he thought they were. He shot 687 at a meet for his school tonight. With a very sore wrist I had to tape up prior to it.

    Early in the first game he was dropping the ball and it was rolling out, hitting weak. Then suddenly he started staying behind it more and releasing a tad later. His release was still way too early but just enough to get the ball to finish and drive through the pocket. As a result he was getting much better action, messengers and thunderous strikes.

    His coaches and I all agree that if he can come out of the ball a little later and get a touch more horizontal rotation on it he will get much more potential out of his ball.

    Tonight he somehow managed to make it all work. It's hard to complain when he annihilated everyone on the league. He even did the "I threw the ball but I'm turning away not looking because I know it's a strike" thing to end his 3rd game with the last nine in a row. Lucky for him he was right but I admit it was a no doubter pocket bomb.

    As good as he was, I know he has a lot of potential for much better. I do want to get this release figured out before bad habits get formed. This wasn't an issue until the heavier ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phonetek View Post
    Ok so maybe his issues aren't as bad as he thought they were. He shot 687 at a meet for his school tonight. With a very sore wrist I had to tape up prior to it.

    Early in the first game he was dropping the ball and it was rolling out, hitting weak. Then suddenly he started staying behind it more and releasing a tad later. His release was still way too early but just enough to get the ball to finish and drive through the pocket. As a result he was getting much better action, messengers and thunderous strikes.

    His coaches and I all agree that if he can come out of the ball a little later and get a touch more horizontal rotation on it he will get much more potential out of his ball.

    Tonight he somehow managed to make it all work. It's hard to complain when he annihilated everyone on the league. He even did the "I threw the ball but I'm turning away not looking because I know it's a strike" thing to end his 3rd game with the last nine in a row. Lucky for him he was right but I admit it was a no doubter pocket bomb.

    As good as he was, I know he has a lot of potential for much better. I do want to get this release figured out before bad habits get formed. This wasn't an issue until the heavier ball.
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    Yep, I'm a very proud dad. Considering when I joined here a few short years ago when I was teaching him the approach in our kitchen. That was before he ever threw a bowling ball that wasn't at a birthday party. I'd say he's come pretty far pretty quick.

    In a few more years he'll come even father. It's fun to watch as a dad and his coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phonetek View Post
    Yep, I'm a very proud dad. Considering when I joined here a few short years ago when I was teaching him the approach in our kitchen. That was before he ever threw a bowling ball that wasn't at a birthday party. I'd say he's come pretty far pretty quick.

    In a few more years he'll come even father. It's fun to watch as a dad and his coach.
    Sounds like he has a good future in the sport if he wants it. When I was younger (teens maybe) I had a stint where I wanted to be a pro bowler. This was back in the early to mid 80's. Problem back then was there was no internet so nobody knew how to get from A to B unless you knew someone that could show you the way. Back then I have no idea how you would ever even find out where the next PBA tournament would be or when it would be. Being a 14 year old and knowing nobody in the industry that info was like finding gold at the end of a rainbow. Had there been Google back then I may have taken it more seriously and actually tried to pursue it. Found out later that a PBA pro used to own the center I bowled at. Talked to him all the time but didn't know anything about that and figured he was just a league bowler that owned a center. His name was Ross Ziegler. Turns out later on Mark Roth took over that center and I talked to him every Saturday as I coached the youth league. Had no idea who Mark Roth was. I had been told he was a PBA hall of famer but I couldn't remember ever hearing anything about him before. This was around 2001-2002 and I was now in my mid 30's so too late to try to go pro by then anyway but the point is he seems to be on a good path and has the tools and mentorship to get there. Tell him I said great job and good luck!
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    He definitely wants a future with it. He's been looking at colleges with the best bowling programs. Actually he's hoping for a scholarship which is possible if he keeps going how he is. Last night at another meet he shot 650 somethin, so the last one wasn't a fluke.

    I still think he's releasing it a tad too early so he's not fully getting around the ball resulting in more of an end over end rotation causing it to lose energy quickly. If he could stay in it a microsecond longer it would make all the difference.

    He's still blaming it on his sore wrist. LOL I think a piece or two of tape in his thumb hole would do wonders. He is also raising up and falling over at the line instead of posting his shot. That would also lead me to believe he's trying to fire it down rather than just letting it swing. Loud strikes are awesome but not necessary to do well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phonetek View Post
    Any ideas? Rob, any input?
    I'm concerned about your reference to "his coaches" that includes you. Are any of his coaches trained to coach? When I was coaching Junior Gold, my biggest challenge was high average bowler parents who thought that they were coaches... they weren't. Also, as Wendy Macpherson once told me, "Never coach anyone you've ever seen naked." Having, I'm sure, changed some diapers on your son in the past, that excludes you from coaching him in bowling. Encourage him, but find ONE qualified coach to help him him develop into a bowler.

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    Having given this more thought, I believe that his "coaches" allowed him to use the 12 lb. ball way too long. He didn't grow over a foot and gain 75 pounds instantaneously. In the meantime, he learned to bowl in a way that allowed him to score with this light ball. When he moved up to the 15 lb. ball, he needed to learn to bowl all over again, allowing the ball to do the work. Again, find one qualified coach and let him do his (or her) job.

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