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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    I think some centers are scared to take down signage due to legal risk. Easier to just leave it up and not enforce it to the point that it scares people off.


    Maybe. I don't know. I've bowled on leagues with guys in wheelchairs where they had wooden ramps you had to walk around and older guys that took forever to get to the foul line and back because they were in their 90s. Some of these fellas had been in the league for decades. If someone like that had a "legitimate" issue...bowlers would tend to rally around them.


    I think the problem is you need something more specific than "it's the right thing to do" or "numbers are on the rise". People respond better when they know the plea is based in a person's actual condition or when they know someone that recently suffered from Covid. It has to be personal to them or else it's just something that one group of people wants them to do that they don't want to do. And for every "fact" there are "alternative facts". For every position or opinion, an alternative position or opinion.

    Thats why I brought up the "one person in the league" scenario. Getting 100% of managers to agree is nearly impossible because you're asking liberals that have been told daily that Covid is on the verge of killing them and they MUST wear a mask...no 2 masks...no 3 masks...to be around others who aren't wearing one. On the other hand, if you want a mask mandate in the league, you're asking a group of conservatives to wear masks...even though they may not have risk factors, or may already be immune or vaccinated, or may believe the masks aren't as effective, or may believe the pandemic not as dangerous to their demographic. The only "solution" is a compromise. But how do you compromise when the result of any compromise could potentially be a deadly virus infection...even if that likelihood is 0.00008%?

    And, for each person a league loses for lax enforcement of mask rules...you could lose one for too much enforcement. The USBC has been battling that for YEARS! Every time they make a rule...they lose some bowlers. Every time they fail to make a rule...they lose some bowlers. There's just no pleasing everyone. We went though this with cigarette smoking (for those old enough to remember). Bowling centers, casinos, restaurants...they all were under pressure. Do they ban smoking and risk losing their smokers? Or do they tell the non-smokers, "too bad....deal with the potential lung cancer if you want to come here". It sounds silly 'now'...but it was not silly then. Entire leagues would move to houses where smoking was still allowed. Finally, states had to pass laws to ban smoking in public places to provide cover for businesses. Sound familiar (mask mandates)?

    We got used to speed limits. We got used to wearing seatbelts in cars. We got used to non-smoking on airplanes and inside public buildings. Would we get used to wearing a mask whenever we are interacting with people...forever? As much as I hate it...probably. It would take 20-30 years of 'fighting'...but eventually we'd just 'comply'. Then, we'd look back at those days when people walked around with their faces uncovered and think, "wow! they were so uneducated! Imagine how many horrible respiratory diseases they could have avoided!" Just like looking back at people that used to smoke on airplanes and think, "really? on an airplane full of people!?"
    I wasnít complaining about where I bowl. They were actually proactive in coming up with a plan they presented to the state to allow them to reopen. Some staff members are better than others at enforcing the rules, but they canít keep a close eye on all 56 lanes.

    From what Iíve seen, the senior league bowlers are among the worst at wearing masks properly. Some have the attitude that the masks are B.S. Others claim they canít bowl wearing a mask, they donít get enough air. And then half of them pull their masks down when they want to talk to you. And they were doing this before the vaccine became available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    I could see making that case even if it was one...I don't think you'd need THREE.

    I mean, if you're in a league...especially a smaller, senior league...and you've had a Covid fatality....I gotta think that might be enough to change hearts and minds in that league. So yeah, I think a fatality (unfortunately) would be enough to get 100% of a league manager vote. I'm trying to think if it would be enough in the leagues I'm in or have been in recently....it kinda depends on the league. The larger the league, the harder it is to get to 100%...just mathematics.

    But yeah, I think of the 3 most recent leagues I've been in...a Covid-related fatality would likely be enough to convince the league to agree and comply with a league mask mandate. Granted, thats a guess and I'd like to think of that as a textbook definition of "worst case scenario".
    Unfortunately, or however you want to look at it...the seniors don't really look at life the same way as some of the younger generations....and not all seniors have the same opinion. Most of our league was going without masks today after the governors change in mandate. Some still wearing masks. A few questioned putting a rule in, but understood the issue of doing so. And apparently death by Covid doesn't really change minds. We have lost 4 of our league members since the beginning and we still have 48 bowlers bowling league and signing up for summer leagues already. So Bowlero has no mask mandate and our GM indicates "they are not the mask police" any longer, so no ruling will be in effect....personal choice to wear or not to wear. Honestly, I think the Governor did what he did to encourage the vaccinations as people were opting to pass on the vaccine as they "still had to wear a mask".

    And yes, some members were wanting to vote on it in the beginning...just figured the Governor's ruling would bring it up again.
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    Thankfully I don't know anyone that has died from COVID, although I do know about 150 or so that have had it. A few spent time in the hospital but recovered. One guy at work on my team had it about a month ago but didn't miss any work. He sounded like he had a bad cold. We all work from home so it is not an issue. But last week another one got it and spent last weekend in the hospital. He has been off now about 9 days. I just texted him and he said he still feels like crap.

    A year ago when all of this hit 3 guys in our league got it one night. One was in ICU but has recovered and is back to bowling in our league. The other 2 are fine too and one of them is back to league bowling too. There is another team in our league that I heard the whole team tested positive so they weren't there for a couple of weeks. We did lose a bunch in our league because of the fear. We went from 16 teams to 11.

    PA is way behind on this whole vaccine thing. We are still under 1A meaning you have to be 65 or over to be eligible for the vaccine. I'm still not completely on board for getting it but probably will. I was told that I am eligible due to my occupation but not sure (IT-Cyber Security).
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    Hardly anyone in our league wears masks, except for our team. 3 of the guys bowling for us this year got the bug, so it just became a normal thing for us to do. We don't ask the others to wear them, and no one gives us any grief, either. Our mask mandate is supposed to run out April 5th, but I'm pretty sure our Guvna is going to extend it past Memorial Day.
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    Just an update on my co-worker, no change in his status but heard from another co-worker that he had been very worried about COVID and had hardly left his house at all in the past year and was very careful when he was out but he still got it. He is 52 and probably about 400lbs. No idea on any underlying issues other than weight
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    2 bowlers I know have died of COVID now. I don't think either of them caught it from bowling (both were off leagues this year) but unfortunately still happened. Quite a few people have had it and recovered in the league I'm in, which after the first one or two wasn't really a surprise anymore. I bowl with a mask on and our center has been pretty reliably enforcing, without anyone really complaining - people knew what they were getting into this year.

    Couple of personal notes... with a small child over the last couple of years SOMEONE in our house was pretty much sick with a cold of some sort from Nov - March constnatly every year. This year, wearing masks... just one cold total right at the beginning of schools reopening in September. Just that makes me "OK" with the masks in public! Our state is also opening up vaccines for 16+ in the next week so I'm looking forward to booking ASAP and feeling like I'm able to do stuff again without nearly as much of a cloud over us.

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    We as employees at our center are required to wear them at all times and we do. Bowlers however are SUPPOSED to which we periodically announce daily over the mic.

    The loophole is if they are consuming food or drink they of course are not required. Since the majority of our clientele is usually doing one or both it's very difficult to enforce. All we can do remind people that in our state it is still mandatory as are the social distancing rules. Hence we have to use every other lane.

    There is also a loophole to that. If a large group comes in together needing more than one lane then they can be assigned sequentially. But strangers next to strangers must have a vacant lane between them. It a complete pain in the *** when we only have 12 lanes to work with.

    So yeah, with all of that masks are required but all we can do is put the word out. We can't do much about actually enforcing it unless we stop serving food and drink which isn't going to happen. That's where the majority of our money is made, bowling is only a small percentage because it's very cheap at our center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    How about if THREE league bowlers from one center have died because idiot bowlers refuse to cover their mouths AND their noses?!?
    Problem with this is unequivocally showing that it was from bowling at the center that caused it.

    That's a hard stretch - especially when you've got a ton of older bowlers who are not getting it, and very likely those three have other contacts (stores, for instance) which are far higher risk.

    I'm not accusing, I'm just presenting the argument. I've got in-laws that are 86 and 88 and are ACHING to get back to bowling, mask or no mask.

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    Well was just told daughter-in-law just tested positive. I went with my step-son last Wednesday to pick up their new travel trailer and was at their house that day. My other daughter-in-law was there at their house Saturday. Saturday night DIL #1 started feeling sick. Tested + today. DIL #2 feels fine so far but is now in self quarantine because of direct contact. My son was with her obviously but is now hundreds of miles away for work. He still fees fine but is not under any restrictions yet. Fun times! ughhhh. Can't wait until this crap is over with
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