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    Kegel did a Topography Study if anyone is interested in reading it:
    https://www.kegel.net/topography-study

    Centers prop up scores because high scoring customers are happy [repeat] customers. If customers bowl "poorly" they aren't as excited to come back. If the center can get all of the lanes to "play the same", it just makes customers even happier.

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    Aslan says: Well, this leads to an entire different discussion...about whether the goal of a center should be to prop up scores...so I'll just leave that alone.

    No, that's not the goal. If the topography was bad then they should be obligated to fix it regardless of the scores. The fact the scores were bad before but not after just proves how few of bowlers take topography into consideration.

    I'm pretty sure the vast majority assumes all lanes are exactly the same and know little to nothing about typography. I admit I was oblivious to it before I read about it in here. Either that or they suck at adjusting to it. Scores happen to be speaking for themselves proving this correct. If a center really wants to boost scores

    It also proves that Rob is a bowling God with wisdom beyond comprehension and we'd be idiots not to listen to him.

    If a center really wants to boost scores there are plenty of much cheaper ways to do it. Lighter pins, easier shot, higher flat gutters, different kick back panels. Or you can even spot the pins closer together (cough Bowlero cough cough). Probably many other ways I can't think of at the moment or don't know.

    That's all artificial ways of doing it, merely making the lanes flat is not and it is the most ridiculously expensive way of doing it. So I assure you that's not the goal, just a side effect that happens to make bowlers happy.

    Don't think because our topography is fixed that is an easy house. It's far from it. The ones who got those honor scores are the top bowlers in our center. These aren't beer leagues I'm talking about. I'm sure the normal 220+ bowler from other places would still being pulling their hair out. If a center has good topography and is completely within spec it should NOT be easy. LOL

    Only the most dedicated and practiced people in the sport would really be earning those honor scores of things were as they should be aside from someone getting lucky now and then. If it's too easy then something is out of spec I can promise you that.

    If every center suddenly did everything 100% in spec then 200+ would have to be truly earned, however bowlers would be quitting in record numbers and bowling would be a thing of the past. That ladies and gentlemen is fact and unfortunately is the way it works in this era, like it or lump it. I see it every day, people slamming their equipment in their bag and storming out because the shot 699? Seriously? It wasn't long ago that was greatly celebrated! Everyone had become spoiled crybabies. (Cough Rash cough cough) Sorry had to mention it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryster View Post
    Kegel did a Topography Study if anyone is interested in reading it:
    https://www.kegel.net/topography-study

    Centers prop up scores because high scoring customers are happy [repeat] customers. If customers bowl "poorly" they aren't as excited to come back. If the center can get all of the lanes to "play the same", it just makes customers even happier.
    LOL You must have responded while I was responding to Aslan. Further proving my point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    Well, this leads to an entire different discussion...about whether the goal of a center should be to prop up scores...so I'll just leave that alone.

    I think it's more of a discussion as to whether the topography was IMPACTING scores as opposed to propping up scores.

    If the only thing done was to "tram" the lanes and scores went up . . . then it's clear that the topography was impacting scores in a detrimental fashion.


    I don't want a center to make me better or worse - I want a center to reflect me.


    We have a pair of lanes that have a bouncy spot - if I let the ball down at that spot, it will bounce in the air for at least 5-7 feet. It is exactly where I set it down if I use my solid and cross the lanes so on that pair I am forced to bowl down-and-in - which is fine but may not be what I want to bowl. A center should not do that - that's topography and structure forcing things.

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    Bottom line is that topography should be addressed to simply put out a quality product, NOT to increase scores. Simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
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    Nice comment, John. Thanks for that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    Nice comment, John. Thanks for that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    Nice comment, John. Thanks for that!
    Wait... What? He gets thanked for that and I get nothin for...

    "It also proves that Rob is a bowling God with wisdom beyond comprehension and we'd be idiots not to listen to him."

    What's up with this Rob? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phonetek View Post
    Bottom line is that topography should be addressed to simply put out a quality product, NOT to increase scores. Simple as that.
    And if scores increase, it's evidence that the product lacked quality previously.

    I remember going to a local center that did not maintain its lanes at all - was NOT enjoyable, scarred up my balls (heh heh) and just bad experience. I've not gone back there since, and that's like 20 years. I've been told they've changed but . . .

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    I think that the original idea of this thread has been lost. Lanes that have topographical issues do not "lack quality." Topography is a fact of life on synthetic lanes; it's the nature of the beast. The idea is that bowlers have to get it in their heads that oil is no longer king; topography is!

    Phonetek: The comment to John was dripping with sarcasm. Yours didn't warrant it! LOL

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