Carry down

[ssclary]

My experience with my own urethane(new blue hammer, original black hammer and seismic desperado LE), seems that they do hit hard and I get some really solid strikes that clear all the pins of the deck. That being said I don't get the crazy pin action with pins helicoptering around and wiping out other pins, like my buddy that only throws reactive resin.

[aussiedave]

My experience with my own urethane(new blue hammer, original black hammer and seismic desperado LE), seems that they do hit hard and I get some really solid strikes that clear all the pins of the deck. That being said I don't get the crazy pin action with pins helicoptering around and wiping out other pins, like my buddy that only throws reactive resin.

I think you are right - I use urethane exclusively and find that messengers are rare and that the strikes are usually clean with no spinners on the deck like you say - and it's not necessarily pure pace that generates the messengers either as my team mate bowls slower than me and gets them with his resin Track 300C fairly regularly.
Got me thinking now!
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[GeoLes]

Ya gotta play around with stuff.

I start with 3-1 adjustment (move 3 boards left, throw 1 board right) and move back to original spot when necessary. Sometimes more early roll (cupped release), or more slide (less cuuped release). If that fails, I go less agressive on the revs with more outslide line-usually coupled with a slower delivery to give the ball time to "bite".

Practice on lanes by taking a wrong ball to practice sesson an try to make it work.

[75lockwood]

On the topic of carry down:

there is a difference between wood and synthetic lanes when it comes to oil displacement correct? i would think wood lanes would be more apt to carry oil down where as synthetic would push to the side. any information on this?

[aussiedave]

On the topic of carry down:

there is a difference between wood and synthetic lanes when it comes to oil displacement correct? i would think wood lanes would be more apt to carry oil down where as synthetic would push to the side. any information on this?

You may be right - I think that wood lanes will dry out quicker as well, depending on the condition of the lanes themselves, like how long since they were resurfaced, etc,.
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[75lockwood]

You may be right - I think that wood lanes will dry out quicker as well, depending on the condition of the lanes themselves, like how long since they were resurfaced, etc,.
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my thinking was that a synthetic surface is completely flat and only appears to be made up of boards where as a wooden surface would be uneven with channels and certain boards would be higher or lower than the one's beside it, creating channels where the oil would only be able to move down as apposed to off the the sides....

[ssclary]

Questions:

Carry down is the effect from oil being carried/pushed further down the lane?

What happens to the lane condition when this happens? Changes the breakpoint?

Does one type of ball cover cause carry down to happen quicker?

Urethane doesn't soak up oil just picks up and drops it off?

Resin just soaks oil up?

Thanks in advance.

[ecub]

Carry down is the effect from oil being carried/pushed further down the lane?

Yes

What happens to the lane condition when this happens? Changes the breakpoint?

Yes

Does one type of ball cover cause carry down to happen quicker?

Urethane/Plastic, polished balls, and unmaintained bowling balls.

Urethane doesn't soak up oil just picks up and drops it off?

Doesn't pick up the oil, just pushes it down.

Resin just soaks oil up?

Resin, unpolished balls that are maintained properly will soak up oil. Polished balls don't soak up oil as much. Resin balls are like sponges and will soak up to a point. This is where it's necessary to remove the oil from the ball after certain number of games.

[Tampabaybob]

Lots of ideas on carry down but Lockwood hit the nail on the head. On synthetic lanes, with these new balls, the oil is pushed aside as opposed to being carried down the lane. What you're experiencing is the oil drying out in your track, so when you move right or left you're now moving into oil again. The trick here is to try and find the ridge of the oil.

One of the best articles you can read on the subject was done by Joe Slowinski in Bowling This Month. Here's the link to it. Let me know your thoughts after you read it.

http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/..._slowinski.pdf

[J Anderson]

my thinking was that a synthetic surface is completely flat and only appears to be made up of boards where as a wooden surface would be uneven with channels and certain boards would be higher or lower than the one's beside it, creating channels where the oil would only be able to move down as apposed to off the the sides....

Nothing is completely flat. All USBC certified lanes are flat and level within certain tolerances, measured in thousandths of an inch, at the time of certification.

Wood lanes are constructed so that each board is interlocked with the adjacent boards. While extreme changes in humidity could cause the lane to go out of spec, under normal circumstances they stay flat. The fact that most bowlers are right handed leads to more wear on the lane surface around tenth board. Eventually this requires the lanes to be resurfaced to bring them back into compliance.

I'm sure that this extra wear on the right side has some effect on synthetic lanes. I don't know what that effect is, whether it changes the surface texture of the lane or causes an actual low spot as with a wood lane.