Reviews on dv8 hellraiser revenge

[kallieann1225]

Hi I have been bowling about 18 years I am 27 now. I stopped bowling for about 7 years. I have 3 balls a plastic for my 7 pins as I am left handed a brunswick danger zone which is about 15 years old for my spares on right and sometimes strikes depending on lane conditions. I also have a battle zone for spares on left and strikes depending on lane condition. I dont really bowl in a league I am looking at the hellraiser revenge because of the hook ratio I stand up against the ball return or almost on the other lane depending on if I'm on left lane or right lane I throw about 1st arrow and hook in I am looking to update my equipment what is everyones take on this ball how is it and another question how is it with no oil on the lane will it hook to much or not enough

[billf]

I own two Hell Raiser Revenge's. One drilled for length and the other more "natural". These balls love oil and you will love them in oil. The heavier the better. No oil and they tend to burn up too early. The one I have drilled for length I also added 7 coats of polish just so I could use it at least the first game of league.
When I first got these balls a friend and I went to try them out. I started laying down at the 40 out to the 2. It hit the 4 pin (I'm a righty). Just to see how far I could hook it I kept moving left. The furthest I could go and still hit the pocket flush was the middle of the lane next to me. I thought for sure lofting it that far would damage the ball but it was ok.
Given where you are up against the ball return already, I would recommend the Reckless. It doesn't require heavy oil and still hooks well as the lanes dry up. If they are totally dry I go to the Misfit. In my opinion, the Misfit is the best ever entry level ball sold. On medium to medium-heavy I lay down at the 15. On dry I lay it down at the 35. I try to hit the 5 board at the break point with this ball.

[Etrain]

if your standing by the ball return without the hrr on fresh oil then i would look into another ball besides the hrr. Hrr HOOKS violently and to much is no good in some conditions

[MICHAEL]

billf, when you say it burns up to quick, does that mean it loses rev's, and is slowed down by the friction of the alley?

[billf]

billf, when you say it burns up to quick, does that mean it loses rev's, and is slowed down by the friction of the alley?

In a nutshell, yes. The ball needs to have energy left after the hook phase to go into the roll just before the pins to have the power to drive them. Lots of people tend to use balls greatly over rated for the conditions. This can actually lead to not being able to get the ball to the breakpoint as it will actually not skid the correct distance and hence hit the hook phase too early.

[MICHAEL]

For and example: I have seen some bowlers (throw the ball down the alley and it does not have ANY Rev's at all. You can see it slide accross the oil and if you were just above the ball, you could read the label, the way it looks to me~ Then it hits the dry part of the alley, and it gets friction and starts to roll, and get rev's! Is it at that point starting to
get energy? It seems that what ever direction the roll starts, due to friction, the ball will go in that direction. Is energy directly related to volocity, and the balls rev's?

My question being, some guys throw the ball VERY hard, (high speed, and their ball dosen't roll at all before it hits the pocket. Would that type of bowler have what is called
energy? It dosen't burn up anything, and goes into the head pin at 1 billion mph!! They are always streight ball throwers. And some of then do well throwing that way?

Energy, is what? in the above case it never rolls? so is that a ball without energy? I am having a problem trying to figure out just what energy is in bowling, I have a thick skull I guess.

[billf]

In bowling the term energy is kind of a misnomer. If a ball can not complete the skid phase (it stores the energy during the skid as the ball is moving in a different direction that it's rotation) it will "grab" early on the hook phase. At this time the ball direction and ball rotation match up. Just after this matches up the ball appears to gain velocity. This is actually just an optical illusion due to all the ball's forces (velocity) all moving in the same direction. Just before the pocket the ball is suppose to enter the roll phase. This is where it appears to straighten out a little a drive through the pins. This is where mass times speed becomes important.
If during any of the previous phases (skid, hook, roll are the 3 phases) the ball encounters more friction than it can handle, for whatever reason, it will lose more speed and/or rotation. Given that friction is heat energy is it said to be "robbing" the ball of it's energy.
In the case of the straight bowlers as you mentioned above, yes some are very good with it so nothing personal BUT they do not utilize the three phases, obviously. The one's whose ball never enters the roll state are using sheer force and thereby not using the ball to it's fullest capability. Of course most of these people also don't use balls designed to hook so the core is completely different.
Rotational energy works differently than linear and tends to confuse a lot of people. In school we learn about kinetic and potential energy but rarely is there a secondary education science class that goes into the finer aspects of rotational energy and how a moving object can contain all the variable aspects of energy.

[kallieann1225]

Just a review well I got the ball got it drilled my other balls are 16 I figured get a 15 more speed well I cant tell you my score because they only turned the lanes on to try the ball out well 8 in a row and this was on a lane that had very little oil on it if any. Love this ball will bowl actual games with it today let yall know how it is.

[MICHAEL]

billf,,,,thanks again for taking the time to explain the physics of the ball action!!! Jason and I practice bowl every friday from 12 to 2 pm. And our last game we
always have a bet,,, sometimes a million, Billion , but today it was a trillion!!! We both gave it our best, and the end result was a tie! 258 to 258! What are the odds????
So we had a bowl off, first one to have a higher throw won. Jason X,,,,, MikeX then Jason has a nice shot but 9,,,,, Old broken down iron worker another X!!!!
Needless to say we had a blast, and the trillion will come in handy this summer, might even go on a trip!!! ( God I Love Bowling!!!

[MICHAEL]

Kallieann1225, Let us know how it works out!! I have a 16 also, but changed to the 15 mainly because the Pro recommended it!! It works well, and I do notice I can get more wrist, and speed into it.... (sometimes too much speed), and I have to slow it down.