Is this common - takes 15 years to get properly drilled ball

[got_a_300]

one is the owner of the pro shop but doesn't check out our PAP either.. he basically gives everyone the same drilling.. pin up, just slightly over and to the right of the ring finger..

Hmmm........ sounds like that might be the only way he knows how to drill a bowling ball then.

[martin]

maybe.. but recently some bowlers saw some bowling reaction video on youtube and asked him to drill their balls with the same layout as in the video (it was Tony Ruocco's layout i think.. with pin down, maximum hook) and he was able to drill it that way..

[MICHAEL]

I agree with your observations billf. I have had good luck with a guy named Trent at NKC AMF! He stands behind his work too. He ask what you want, and he will watch you bowl, look at your ball and make suggestions. He is better then a few other pros, one that has his own place in kansas, IMHO! The Driller, is the KEY, in the process of achieving the results your looking for!

[georgebowl]

I have had balls drilled by three different shops, none asked me for my PAP

[slmrcs]

While they should get PAP and do all that, this from Rvirtualbowling goes into good detail on why that isn't super important for most people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK5HO__gBJE (most not being everyone on this board).

Myself, just tried new drilling, 3/16 forward and 9/16 left lateral and that is so much more helpful than any layout. Now just need to get that drilled with good layout on a ball less than 11 years old. If someone can't even measure span correctly, they won't get PAP.

[greggas]

Given that PAP can be different for the same person throwing differently, shouldn't I then have a different PAP on my Natural Pearl that I play far right with than my Nexxus or Hell Raiser Revenge that I play at least 30 boards deeper with?

If all you change is your starting point and/or target, the difference will be minimal, if any. But if you're also changing something in your delivery ( especially the release ), the difference could be huge.

[billf]

If all you change is your starting point and/or target, the difference will be minimal, if any. But if you're also changing something in your delivery ( especially the release ), the difference could be huge.

Thank you for verifying what I thought. Yes, I change releases and at times I change release and mark or a combination of both. Whatever spot, release and ball combo that seems to work and feel good that day is what I go with.