New Vivid Not doing it!! [Resolved]

[MICHAEL]

I decided to purchase a new Vivid due to this website and a friend that has one. It looked like a remarkable ball. The pro shop only had a 14lb, in stock, and I had heard that it makes little differance between a 14 and 15. He a (good layout driller) pro shop guy) drilled it a lot like he did on my Undefeated. I am very happy with the Undefeated, it still dives into the pocket like a Missour Mule!! He drilled the ball brought it down to the lanes where I was bowling and I am thinking I am going to get rev's out the gazzula!!! (light ball) Strong hooking ect. It almost looked likke a plastic ball. The lanes had just been oiled, by our new kegel 60 thousand $$ machine. It does a remarkable job of accurate oil. I know it wasen't that, because the Undefeated kicked perfect into the pocket.
its 15 lbs.
He, (the pro) was puzzled as to why the ball did not react into the pocket. What a let down,,,,, the only good experience from having bowled with it was
my hands, and shirt smelled fantastic!!! My wife, wife ran me off into the bed room when she got a whiff of it! I had no idea it was like Viarga, in reverse!!
Can anyone tell me that has a Vivid, why this one was not breaking at the end!!!!!! The Pro said he would make it right!
He drilled it much like the undefeated which works great. He has drilled several balls for me before, and all worked great. Could it be the ball??? At the moment that ball would be nothing but and air freshener for me, or spare ball!! And I alreay have a good spare ball???

As I mentioned above about the effect the fragrance, (from the ball), had on my wife, well I think Storm should make a Cologne for men that matches the various ball fragranceses!!! Who wouldn't want they body to smell as good as their balls!! Just a thought for marketing!!
Maybe a bottle with each ball sold!! ( I am the idea man!) lol... (

[travkoiboi]

where is the drill layout where is the PIN? I got a vivid and my fingers are under the pin little offset to the right... i get a strong backend... to be honest it's all backend. But it is a lot of ball for most shots... a fresh house shot with some oil in front is really only time i can throw it. I throw it about 30 to 5-10 then back in.

[bowl1820]

More info is needed:
what was the layout (post a pic if you can or look at the storm drilling sheet and see which layout is closest to yours Click here for PSA_Lightning_Stikes.pdf), how fast were you throwing it compared to your other ball, what line were you trying to play.

The Vivid is for a heavy oil condition, it is possible if there's not enough oil (even if it's a fresh shot). That the ball can be burning up early, standing up and look like it's not doing anything. But assuming it was a fresh THS (typical House Shot). I'll guess you to be over throwing it.

When dropping weight, yes at first you'll get a few more rev's (A 15# to #14 move will get you about a 3.5% gain in rev's). But you'll also be throwing it faster and if the rev's don't match the speed. You'll throw it right through the break point.

It sounds like you got a #14 ball just because that's all they had. if so that was the wrong reason to drop weight in a ball. If you change weights, there should be a technical reason for doing it.

[billf]

And dropping weights can also lead to a slight mistiming issue if not done consistently. Timing being off slightly can alter everything after it.

[eugene02]

maybe because of weight drop and not used to the ball yet?

[jaydee]

Considering the effects of the smell, it sounds like you still got your moneys worth!

And ya, what everyone else. In particular, just because the house was oiled fresh, does not mean that it was oiled "heavy", which is what this ball would require. The Undefeated has a pearlized coverstock so it's going to handle a "medium" oil pattern than the Vivid, though they have similar core properties. I haven't thrown the Undefeated but it uses the same coverstock as the original Mission which I do own and that ball is remarkably versatile. The Vivid is a strickly heavy oil ball.

Also, where were you throwing? Up the outside, across the middle?

[MICHAEL]

I was hoping to get more rev's with a quicker release. The rev's looked about the same as with the 15lbs Undefeated. I threw it from the same spot, same speed, as the Undefeated. The Undefeated has huge hook just prior to going into the pocket. I was hoping that the lighter ball would all rev's. The part that I found strange is that it went
flat into the pocket. The pro shop guy, Trent, was there watching me throw both balls. He said that it was strange that it did not kick into the pocket toward the end.
We have one of the best lane conditioners out there pretty new. It sprays the oil down and cleans lanes in one trip down and back.
Remember, Fressh oil, the Undefeated behavied as usual, so it was not the lane.... my only other question is, could it be the drilling. That's what we will look into later today!!
Very unhappy with the balls response. Trent, (the pro) said we havd similer bowling styles, and didn not see a problem with my Rev's or style. Wow was I surprised how little
hook I got.... I could easly throw a 16lb ball. Should I move up... I don't think its the weight being the problem, but trent said he would make it right, and if that meant a new ball he would exchange it. He look very puzzled too. God Did It Smell Good.... I want one.... just one that has some punch and angle at the end...

[jaydee]

I was hoping to get more rev's with a quicker release. The rev's looked about the same as with the 15lbs Undefeated. I threw it from the same spot, same speed, as the Undefeated. The Undefeated has huge hook just prior to going into the pocket. I was hoping that the lighter ball would all rev's. The part that I found strange is that it went
flat into the pocket. The pro shop guy, Trent, was there watching me throw both balls. He said that it was strange that it did not kick into the pocket toward the end.
We have one of the best lane conditioners out there pretty new. It sprays the oil down and cleans lanes in one trip down and back.
Remember, Fressh oil, the Undefeated behavied as usual, so it was not the lane.... my only other question is, could it be the drilling. That's what we will look into later today!!
Very unhappy with the balls response. Trent, (the pro) said we havd similer bowling styles, and didn not see a problem with my Rev's or style. Wow was I surprised how little
hook I got.... I could easly throw a 16lb ball. Should I move up... I don't think its the weight being the problem, but trent said he would make it right, and if that meant a new ball he would exchange it. He look very puzzled too. God Did It Smell Good.... I want one.... just one that has some punch and angle at the end...

What you're failing to grasp is, that it could still be the lanes. "Fresh oil" really doesn't mean anything, nor how expensive this kegel machine costs. If it's a fresh oil on Kegel "Easy Street" pattern which is something like 38 ft and 19 mL volume, a "medium hooking" ball like the Undefeated will probably hook more than the Vivid (ball would burn up early). If it's fresh oil on Kegel's Stone Street, which is 42 ft long and and has a volume of 24 mL of oil, I would expect the Vivid to hook more. The ball has to match the lane condition.

I'm not saying it is the lane condition, I'm just saying you can't rule it out.

[MICHAEL]

point taken! I just know this is the oil pattern used at my alley, and if thats the case, ,,, well the ball would wind up talking the place of my plastic ball for ten pin spares.
Remember the Pro was there, he has lots of experience, bowled in college ect..ect.. And he was puzzled? I hope to get this figured out soon... he has drilled many balls for me, and all preformed perfectly... one was a mutant cell, Alien. (similar balls to the vivid I would think)?

[The Mayor]

I almost guarantee that the ball is burning up. The Undefeated is not a super strong ball, medium oil at best. So if that ball is working well, what does that tell you? It's probably medium oil. The Vivid is much stronger than the Undefeated and needs much more oil to perform as it is intended. This isn't to say that you can't make the Vivid work better on these lanes. Taking the coverstock to 4000 or adding a coat of polish over the box finish should allow you to see more reaction. This is also the easiest way to see if it's actually the lanes or if there was another issue.