Pre Bowling Vs Just Carrying YOUR AVERAGE~

[bowl1820]

I have heard form someone on this site of 3 perfect games being pre-bowled. for league play! I am not sure, but I think this person said that there was no offical present!!

In regards to the perfect games done in prebowling. Yes that happened and shortly after that the USBC changed the rules regarding pre/bowling and honor scores shot during pre/post bowling.

As for not having a official present, that was the leagues fault for not requiring one to be there.

[MICHAEL]

[QUOTE=JaMau24;44156]Agreed.


Nope. Certainly not in our area, I don't know about other places.


Whats wrong is you have to pay X amount of money for bowling you didn't even do. Also, if its a 2 person league and you are both going to be gone, and you both don't pre-bowl -- Its a forfiet (at least one of you has to pre-bowl). Same goes if its a 4 or 5 person league and 3 are gone or don't pre-bowl, it's a forfeit.


Yes Jason, under current rules it might be, ( I am just learning the rules, whys and so on!) Just because a rule exists, donen't mean that it can't be changed, or made better. right? If the rule simply stated, you carry your average, witch can be a PLUS, or a minus, depending on how you would have bowled, that day if you were allowed to Pre Bowl. Vs .... prebowl with and official present! Number one I would not want to be and Official! Who knows how many times you would have to make plans to be there in person. ( which dosen't happen anyway around Here from what I can tell).

If its the paying and not getting to bowl for the games paid...(like I said you could get a credit for them and bowl them at your leisure.)

I don't get it??? Pre Bowling should be a once in a Blue Moon thing. Used when you can't make it for specific reasons. NOT long Term.

Whats wrong with using a SCORE that represents your bowling ability, competence, under league conditions... You can always bowl the games paid for.

OK... I am done on this subject... I have what I think are fair and just ideas on the Pre bowling,,,, and we are all different, and I honnor youR thoughts too!!
It is what it is!! I remember in the 1800's slavery was looked on by many as being Ok,, but not all agreed with that law. And so change!! And for the Good!
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[billf]

None of my sanctioned leagues allow pre- or post-bowling. Our summer leagues are not sanctioned and pre-bowling is allowed. One guy pre-bowled a 300 with several witnesses. His jealous friend pre-bowled a 300 in his first game one week later. This guy is a 140 average, at best, bowler. The employee working that day said she was in the back when he bowled his first game. We looked it up on the computer and he had THREE score corrections that game and ZERO the rest of the series when the employee was around. Those games he bowled a 125 and 104. Do I believe him? Hell no I don't but it's not sanctioned so it doesn't matter. What sucks is having to hear him say how he only need two more to catch me. None of mine matter either because all three were in non-sanctioned leagues. But at least I bowled them DURING the league lol

[martinezsam2495]

In my experience, I have bowled worse when I prebowl. I bowl better when I'm bowling with people. Also, I do better when we get to the 10th and it's close. When you prebowl, you don't have that adrenaline going. I guess some people bowl better without the pressure. Cheating is much harder than it used to be. With the automatic scoring systems, it is impossible to mark a spare instead of an open.

I'm all for carrying the average instead of prebowling. However, if prebowling is available, I will use it if I'm not going to be able to make it one week. No sense in paying for a week of bowling if I'm not going to bowl.

-DJ

I have experienced this.. Don't plan on pre bowling again, -_-

[JaMau24]

I agree Mike, rules can be changed for the better. I'm just stating how they are now, and I'm doubtful they'll change them even though they should.

I'll elaborate on what I touched on earlier,

I think it would be good if there were only 3 days a week that allowed pre-bowling. One on Saturday, Monday, and Thursday (or something like that), and all had a time of like 7PM, and on those specific dates and times, there would be an official there to watch anyone pre-bowl. If you aren't there for those times, then you don't get to pre-bowl.

Also, I agree, pre-bowling should only be used rarely. I think I've only pre-bowled twice this whole last year. It's not something I ever abuse, and it's really not something I like to do, sometimes I have to though.

[MICHAEL]

I agree Mike, rules can be changed for the better. I'm just stating how they are now, and I'm doubtful they'll change them even though they should.

We agree on that My FRIEND!!

I'll elaborate on what I touched on earlier,

I think it would be good if there were only 3 days a week that allowed pre-bowling. One on Saturday, Monday, and Thursday (or something like that), and all had a time of like 7PM, and on those specific dates and times, there would be an official there to watch anyone pre-bowl. If you aren't there for those times, then you don't get to pre-bowl.

Here is were I differ with your idea! I think when, and if you bowl a 300 for instance, it should be done on league night with fellow bowlers present, bowling on the same lanes! One can debate if it better oil, not better oil ect ect ect. But the fact is it different on that day the bowler is PRE Bowling! Not to mention the
pressure of other bowlers being present, and seeing them bowl, knowing the pressures that you would not have on a afternoon by yourself. SURE some say it harder bowling by themselfs then with the team. ((Well then why complain about using your average if its much more difficult?)) I look at using your average as a very fair means of what ONE WOULD EXPECT to bowl had they been present?)) I don't thank its fair doing it on a differnt night. HERE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE

A track meet,,,, runners all run on a day when the wind is 15 mph in their face, and they have below average times..... One runner can't make it, so he runs on another night when the wind is behind him at 10 mph. He wins with a better time, better then his average time to date. They give him first place. Is that fair. When your bowling for 1000,00 or 45,000.., do you think its fair for a bowler to bowl on a different night then all the other bowlers... ???

Also, I agree, pre-bowling should only be used rarely. I think I've only pre-bowled twice this whole last year. It's not something I ever abuse, and it's really not something I like to do, sometimes I have to though.

Jason I know you are a VERY HONORABLE young man!! I have NO DOUBT of that!! But guess what? When it comes to MONEY, I have seen Preachers steal from their flock! Its in the news all the time.

I hate to cover this point again but its the main thrust of how I feel about PRE Bowling in SANCTIONED LEAGUES.... where it ALL COUNTS for PRIZES, and MONEY! Like the TRACK example above, the conditions THAT NIGHT are unique,,,, no matter if it is BETTER or WORSE! That person not there WOULD HAVE BEEN
a part of the enviroment that was unique for THAT NIGHT, WITH THOSE BOWLERS THAT THE PRE BOWLER DOES NOT HAVE TO COPE WITH!

A FOR FUN SUMMER LEAGUE IS ONE THING! BUT BOWLING FOR DOLLARS..IS ANOTHER! IT SHOULD BE A FAIR AND EQUAL PLAYING FIELD IN SANCTIONED BOWLING.

JUST MY HUMBLE THOUGHTS.... GEEEEEEEEE.... WHY IN THE HECK IS IT UNFAIR TO USE A PERSONS AVERAGE ANYWAY... i DONT GET IT??

[JaMau24]

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A FOR FUN SUMMER LEAGUE IS ONE THING! BUT BOWLING FOR DOLLARS..IS ANOTHER! IT SHOULD BE A FAIR AND EQUAL PLAYING FIELD IN SANCTIONED BOWLING.

JUST MY HUMBLE THOUGHTS.... GEEEEEEEEE.... WHY IN THE HECK IS IT UNFAIR TO USE A PERSONS AVERAGE ANYWAY... i DONT GET IT??

I think your CAPS key is stuck

[eugene02]

As far as I know for my area.. If you can't reach the bowling center in time, your out of the list. Your name would be taken out.. And your teammates just have to continue.. If i'm not wrong..

[J Anderson]

None of my sanctioned leagues allow pre- or post-bowling. Our summer leagues are not sanctioned and pre-bowling is allowed. One guy pre-bowled a 300 with several witnesses. His jealous friend pre-bowled a 300 in his first game one week later. This guy is a 140 average, at best, bowler. The employee working that day said she was in the back when he bowled his first game. We looked it up on the computer and he had THREE score corrections that game and ZERO the rest of the series when the employee was around. Those games he bowled a 125 and 104. Do I believe him? Hell no I don't but it's not sanctioned so it doesn't matter. What sucks is having to hear him say how he only need two more to catch me. None of mine matter either because all three were in non-sanctioned leagues. But at least I bowled them DURING the league lol

Looks like your sanctioned leagues are in violation of USBC Rule 111b. Copied directly from the USBC Rulebook:
"111b. Reason
A league cannot adopt a rule that would have the effect of not permitting any prebowling/ postponements. The league must grant a prebowl/postponement when the team is unable to field a legal lineup for the following reasons:
1. Some of its bowlers are participating in the USBC Championships, state or local association championship tournaments or attending an annual meeting.
2. There is sufficient cause.
3. An emergency situation."

Personally I hate both pre and post bowling. As far as I can tell it was put in place to promote more participation in the national tournament and has opened the door for all sorts of abuse.

[MICHAEL]

Personally I hate both pre and post bowling. As far as I can tell it was put in place to promote more participation in the national tournament and has opened the door for all sorts of abuse.[/QUOTE]


MY POINT EXACTLY!!! I THINK IS UNJUST, AND AS YOU PUT IT "OPENS THE DOOR FOR ABUSE!! WELL PUT!


jASON CAN YOU "HEAR ME" ,,,,, LIKE BILL, I'AM ALMOST BLIND, AND IT HELPS, SOMETIMES TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT I'AM TYPING!
YES WHEN I BEAT YOU,,,, YOUR GETTING WHIPPED BY AND OLD NEAR BLIND MAN! lOL.....LOL.. ( THE CAPS HELP ME SEE THE TYPING... BILL YOU MIGHT GIVE IT A TRY! LOL I think I like it!!