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    Question What does the PAP tell you??

    SInce I have joined this Board, I have been asked what my PAP is by at least 3 members here and this has led me to wonder what this means. I know what a Positive Axis Point is and all that, but what can you tell about a bowlerm judging solely by their PAP?? Please, my inquiring mind needs to know...for example, my PAP is 4 3/4 and 3/4 of an inch UP...

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    I'll let Bowl1820 answer this as I'm sure he'll give you a better answer than I could... lol

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    Just Knowing the PAP location in itself won't tell what type of bowler you are, It won't tell you the bowlers Tilt or Axis Rotation or Rev's or Speed. At the most it might give a idea of how close that person tracks to the finger holes.

    I believe most of the time on here when P.A.P. is brought up. It's in regard to a balls layout, Say someone comes on they don't know why their ball is reacting a particular way and someone asks hows it laid out? So they say "My pin is above my ringer finger, MB is here"

    Now that gives you a general idea of what the ball is suppose to do. But knowing that the PAP is 2 inches from the pin or 6 inches from pin can make a big difference in how that ball was reacting.

    So knowing the PAP location someone can take good guess at the pin to pap distance or ask them them to measure it.

    Here is another link to go with the ones above:
    http://www.bowlingball.com/info/pin-...reactions.html
    Last edited by bowl1820; 06-12-2012 at 06:49 PM.

    Right handed Stroker, high track ,about 13 degree axis tilt. PAP is located 5 9/16” over 1 3/4” up.Speed ave. about 14 mph at the pins. Medium rev’s.High Game 300, High series 798

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowl1820 View Post
    Just Knowing the PAP location in itself won't tell what type of bowler you are, It won't tell you the bowlers Tilt or Axis Rotation or Rev's or Speed. At the most it might give a idea of how close that person tracks to the finger holes.

    I believe most of the time on here when P.A.P. is brought up. It's in regard to a balls layout, Say someone comes on they don't know why their ball is reacting a particular way and someone asks hows it laid out? So they say "My pin is above my ringer finger, MB is here"

    Now that gives you a general idea of what the ball is suppose to do. But knowing that the PAP is 2 inches from the pin or 6 inches from pin can make a big difference in how that ball was reacting.

    So knowing the PAP location someone can take good guess at the pin to pap distance or ask them them to measure it.

    Here is another link to go with the ones above:
    http://www.bowlingball.com/info/pin-...reactions.html
    Is there any easy way of figuring out what your PAP is? Or is that something the proshop will have to do?

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    There are several ways to find the PAP on your ball that you can do yourself.
    Here's alink to one of the simplest ways.
    http://www.bowlspot.com/coaching/positiveAxisPoint

    But to get the measurements you would need a Pro-Sect to measure it.

    Also here's a video with info
    Last edited by bowl1820; 06-12-2012 at 09:10 PM.

    Right handed Stroker, high track ,about 13 degree axis tilt. PAP is located 5 9/16” over 1 3/4” up.Speed ave. about 14 mph at the pins. Medium rev’s.High Game 300, High series 798

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