Adjusting Axis Rotation

[martin]

mine is usually a 60 degree axis rotation.. struggling to get it to 45 degrees (which i want).. anybody can help? bill maybe?

[billf]

Martin, the way I learned them all was to lock my wrist in that position and bowl or at least the full bowling motion, with my wrist locked the whole time in that position. Over time I was able to adjust on the fly from one to another. The downfall of that is when I do it mid-swing instead of using the rotation I said I would when getting on the approach. Never second guess. That's my biggest down fall. Well, that and lack of talent.

[bowl1820]

mine is usually a 60 degree axis rotation.. struggling to get it to 45 degrees (which i want).. anybody can help? bill maybe?

The 45 deg. is the simplest one to do. It's the handshake position.

PWBA champion Carolyn Dorin-Ballard shows the "handshake drill" for better hand position and overall bowling consistency.

[billf]

It's a great drill but the thing I've noticed when trying to hold that throughout the swing is the total lack of revs. This happens with all the positions as you are not rotating at all to create revs, just the rotation.

[TheSheibs]

The "hand shake" position works great for left handed bowlers. Don't need to try to put revs on it at all. It is very natural.

[bowl1820]

It's a great drill but the thing I've noticed when trying to hold that throughout the swing is the total lack of revs. This happens with all the positions as you are not rotating at all to create revs, just the rotation.

Well there's not a "Total lack of revs", just a minimal amount of rev's. The drill is about hand position, not about generating revs.

[billf]

True but that's not a 45 degree rotation either. Fingers at 6 is zero, 3 is 90 and 4:30 45, correct? Assuming the release is held as CDB says wouldn't the fingers exit at 3:00 generating a 90 degree rotation? I'm going on almost no sleep so I may just be brain dead.

[bowl1820]

True but that's not a 45 degree rotation either. Fingers at 6 is zero, 3 is 90 and 4:30 45, correct? Assuming the release is held as CDB says wouldn't the fingers exit at 3:00 generating a 90 degree rotation? I'm going on almost no sleep so I may just be brain dead.

Yes when the ball is released by the ankle the fingers are at about 4:30.
Here's a pic.


Now in regard to the video, they didn't film it at the best angles to see the hand position. But if you look when she holds the guy's hand out, the palm is at a 45 degree angle to the floor.

And she say's to hold it like that through the swing, that would place the fingers at the 4:30 position which would give you the 45 deg. rotation on the ball. You can't really see the angle of the palm because they filmed from the side.

For it to been a 90 degree release his palm would have had to been perpendicular to the floor. You can't go by where his hand was at the end of the practice swing either, because they grabbed each others hands and you have to turn your hand to grasp the other persons hand. But at that point you would have long been out of the ball.

Another view of the 45 release
http://www.bowlspot.com/pages/coachi...umRotation.flv

Bowling Ball Axis Rotation vids here
http://www.bowlspot.com/coaching/axisRotation

[martin]

i've tried everything, which includes trying to start and finish at the 45 degree angle, but just can't get it.. i'll always end up with the 60 degree rotation..

[billf]

I was probably being too literal with what I thought a saw. That's a big problem I have, too literal.
Martin, think way outside the box for a minute. If you try holding 45 but end up with 60 why not try 25-30 and see where you end up. You may naturally be compensating the extra 15%. Kind of like the eye dominance and targeting thread where some people naturally hit more to one side. Your body may, due to no fault of yours, over-compensate to a higher percentage.