100% handicap is effectively P.O.A. Unless the cap is lower than someone's average.Originally Posted by bowl1820
Cap feels like the wrong term. What is the term for the 230, in 90% of 230 less average?
If you only use the scores in that "tournament" for average, then compute handicap with a % less than 100, and finally use only totals to decide the winner, whoever has the highest scratch score will end up with the highest handicap score as well, effectively nullifying the handicap.
Bottom line, I like Bowl1820's method, therefore I won
Back in the early 80's I bowled in a 5 man Mens handicap league that used 66 2/3% handicap between team averages.
Those were the days that almost nobody averaged 190+ in a tough house. I think water based urethane lane finishes had just arrived, and they didn't know how to put out a oil pattern that didn't become a massive pool, or Sahara desert. Talk about carry down. I think when people say there is no carry down now, they are comparing it to back then.
Last edited by Mike White; 03-03-2014 at 01:06 PM.
It's called The "scratch base"
And usually it should be greater than the highest team or individual entering average.
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Sounds to me, based on entering averages, Aslan is the California king.
Congrats Mr. Aslan.
But yes overall 90% of 230 is pretty standard.
Yeah, Bowl1820's method is essentially fiddling with the numbers to the point where somehow Mike W manages to win.Bottom line, I like Bowl1820's method, therefore I won
Unfortunately, the tournament has ALREADY been WON...by the most dominant player ever to grace an alley with his presence....a TRUE champion...ME.
AND LET IT BE KNOWN!!
- I originally wanted to bowl zdawg scratch...but was gracious enough to give him 10 pins per game out of the kindness of my heart....
- When Mike W. entered the fray...I wanted him to use a 201 average, but he resisted...he wanted 190...I finally relented and gave him 192...
- I originally wanted to use my "lifetime average" of 146....Mike said no....I then proposed my "synthetics/non-wood" average of 153....Mike still said no...so finally I just agreed and used my USBC 166....
AND STILL...I WIN!!
etank wouldn't even face me!! At least zdawg showedup!! And after all the "negotiations"....all the wah wah wah...the bottom line is...the "champ" bowled a 127 in Game #1. It's THAT simple folks!! Unless we're talking about a PBA bowler....no matter how many little "bowl1820 handicap re-evaluations" we subject ourselves to....you CAN'T bowl a 127 when you're a 190-200 average bowler and expect to win!! Mike is OBVIOUSLY the better bowler. He showed that in games 2 and 3...especially game 2. But you can't, I don't care who ya are....even the great Iceman or even dare I say the great vDub or Bill F....you can't bowl a 127...over 60 pins below your average...then claim it's all "creative math"!!
The champion is crowned. I am certainly open to any and all rematches...any and all takers. BUT...a fair handicap WILL be given/agreed upon. The "followers" seem to gloss over a rather important point as Bowl1820 spouts %s of 230/220...I've been bowling SINCE AUGUST 2013....Mike White started bowling when I was in diapers!! So what....the first 34 years were just a "warm up"?? I'm just gonna spot him a 34 year head start?? Talk about Iceman's "Tortoise and Hare"!!
It's all good...it was fun...but at the end of the day, my competition was weighed, measured and found wanting. Period.
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Ok, WHO in the HELL WON????????
This is Crazy!!! All the posts, you had you bowl off, and NOW WE DON"T KNOW WHO THE REAL WINNER IS!!!!!!
This could only happen in California!!!
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Aslan is the clear winner, but only by 13 total pins by my calculations.
By my calculations and based on 90% of 230 for all bowlers.
Aslan entering average of 166 would have 57 pins handicap per game, a total for 3 games of 171
zdawg entering average of 141 would have 80 pins handicap per game, a total for 3 games of 240
Mike White entering average of 192 would have 34 pin handicap per game, a total for 3 games of 102
Aslan shot 129-151-174 = 454 + 171 handicap = 625
zdawg shot 105-107-160 = 372 + 240 handicap = 612
Mike White shot 127-173-193 = 493 + 102 handicap = 595
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2016/17 Book Average=221, 2017/18 Composite Average=223
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The averages were already agreed upon before they bowled, so any other average being used in calculations are just "What-If's". Results are in and ASLAN is the winner based on typical handicap calculations.
High Sanctioned Scratch Game - 300(12) Hi Sanctioned Scratch Series - 822(3)
2016/17 Book Average=221, 2017/18 Composite Average=223
Equipment in the bag - Storm Crux Prime, Storm Physix, Roto Grip Idol, Roto Grip Idol Pearl, Roto Grip Hyper Cell Fused, Storm Sure Lock, Storm Drive, Roto Grip Winner Solid, Roto Grip Haywire, Storm Fever Pitch, Roto Grip Red ball spare.
Rev Rate 400. Speed 18 at heads, 16.5-17 at pins. Axis tilt 10, Axis Rotation 55. PAP 5 5/8 x 5/8 up
As I had noted
I also noted that Aslan was the better bowler of the day, because he bowled the closest to his average."What if:
Using their tournament averages and a handicap of 90% of 230"
and Mike was the worst being 83 pins under his average.
Using the league average you stated:
Aslan was 44 pins under his league
MWhite was 83 pins under his league
ZDawg was 54 pins under his league
If the tourny winner was based on P.O.A.
Aslan was first, zDawg was second and MWhite was last
Right handed Stroker, high track ,about 13 degree axis tilt. PAP is located 5 9/16” over 1 3/4” up.Speed ave. about 14 mph at the pins. Medium rev’s.High Game 300, High series 798
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My league actually uses 90% of 220 for our handicaps, nevertheless any way you cut it I needed that second strike in the final frame and I choked
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