Reply With QuoteSounds like your coach is preparing you to bowl on more challenging conditions. Even so when you’re bowling on the house shot straight up five doesn’t usually give you the best odds for getting a strike.Originally Posted by boatman37
It was working ok up till a few weeks ago and my coach has been pushing me to stay out there but after game 1 last night i said screw this i'm doing it my way. I did keep alot of what he taught me. He wants me throwing the Xponent up the 5 board staying 100% behind it with close to 0 axis rotation or tilt. So middle of game 2 I gave up and moved in to the 10 board with the Pi and turned my wrist slightly to get a little tilt and rotation
Arsenal "15# Global Eternity Pi-45x4.5x40" "15# 900 Global Xponent-60x4.5x40" "15# 900 Global Zen Soul-60x4.5x40" "15# Roto Grip Idol Helios-90 x 2.25 x 45" "15# 900 Global Altered Reality-50x3.625x30" "15# Brunswick Uppercut-80x3.625x35" "15# Brunswick Igniter-70x5.5x35" "15# Raw Hammer Pearl 45x5.75x40" "15# Brunswick T-Zone"
Rev Rate about 270 @ about 15.5 MPH at the pins* High Game: 290 - High Series: 733. PAP: 5 1/8"x1" up; tilt 20*, rotation 75*. YTD highs - 290-733
Oh, and LEFTY!!!
Sounds like your coach is preparing you to bowl on more challenging conditions. Even so when you’re bowling on the house shot straight up five doesn’t usually give you the best odds for getting a strike.
John
Yeah my shot isn't consistent out there. The ball gets back to the pocket but maybe a little light or a little high. Last night on the 279 I targeted the 2nd arrow and stood about 18 so bellied it out a little but every shot was in the pocket. In fact, I threw 17 strikes in my last 19 shots and all were in the pocket except 1 Brooklyn
Arsenal "15# Global Eternity Pi-45x4.5x40" "15# 900 Global Xponent-60x4.5x40" "15# 900 Global Zen Soul-60x4.5x40" "15# Roto Grip Idol Helios-90 x 2.25 x 45" "15# 900 Global Altered Reality-50x3.625x30" "15# Brunswick Uppercut-80x3.625x35" "15# Brunswick Igniter-70x5.5x35" "15# Raw Hammer Pearl 45x5.75x40" "15# Brunswick T-Zone"
Rev Rate about 270 @ about 15.5 MPH at the pins* High Game: 290 - High Series: 733. PAP: 5 1/8"x1" up; tilt 20*, rotation 75*. YTD highs - 290-733
Oh, and LEFTY!!!
Welp...obviously didn't fix it. Don't even wanna talk about it.
Game 1: 148 (4 strikes, 2 spares, 4 opens-1 split)
Game 2: 183 (6 strikes, 3 spares, 2 opens-1 split)
Game 3: 191 (6 strikes, 3 spares, 2 opens-1 split)
Series: 522
Average: 174
Running average: 193.98
Last seasons average: 197.66
First ball average: 9.19
Strikes: 50% 16/32)
Spares: 50% (8/16)
Single pin spares: 66% (6/9)
Arsenal "15# Global Eternity Pi-45x4.5x40" "15# 900 Global Xponent-60x4.5x40" "15# 900 Global Zen Soul-60x4.5x40" "15# Roto Grip Idol Helios-90 x 2.25 x 45" "15# 900 Global Altered Reality-50x3.625x30" "15# Brunswick Uppercut-80x3.625x35" "15# Brunswick Igniter-70x5.5x35" "15# Raw Hammer Pearl 45x5.75x40" "15# Brunswick T-Zone"
Rev Rate about 270 @ about 15.5 MPH at the pins* High Game: 290 - High Series: 733. PAP: 5 1/8"x1" up; tilt 20*, rotation 75*. YTD highs - 290-733
Oh, and LEFTY!!!
THIS x 50
Rob and I have discussed this at length.
It's hard to abandon second arrow on a THS. You can throw a weak ball up the 1-6 boards and try to adjust your speed and/or loft...but I've found the same thing when I move out there. I either pull the shot (afraid of the gutter) or the ball hits the pocket and leaves a 10-pin or 7-pin. And, same thing moving over to 15-19 and trying to play a more inside line. I have very little hand and too much speed...so I have to try to move up closer to the foul line to slow my approach down...and then I end up pulling the shot because I don't trust the ball to come back.
All that being said, I 100% agree with Rob that you need to have a few different lines/strategies because you have to have some ability to move laterally and get outside your comfort zone. It's just a lot more difficult than it seems (which, so is bowling overall). It's terribly disheartening to struggle all night trying to play your B-Game or C-Game...meanwhile your teammates/opponents are just tossing some 15-year old ball up second arrow and nearly getting 300.
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USBC#: 8259-59071; USBC Sanctioned Average = 172; Lifetime Average = 171;
Ball Speed: 14.4mph; Rev. Rate: 240rpm || High Game (sanc.) = 300 (268); High Series (sanc.) = 725 (720); Clean Games: 181
Smokey this is not 'Nam', this is bowling. There are rules. Proud two-time winner of a bowlingboards.com weekly ball give-away!
It has been frustrating. I told my PSO that I was getting lessons from this guy and his comment was that I'll have to find another coach to unteach everything this one taught me...lol. But he is the only coach within about 200 miles. He has helped me to figure out some things (like different hand positions) and I was doing better at first but now I'm so inconsistent. The other night I tried both the Pi and the Xponent from the 1st arrow to about the 3rd arrow and nothing worked on the left lane. Right lane was better but couldn't figure out the left.
Arsenal "15# Global Eternity Pi-45x4.5x40" "15# 900 Global Xponent-60x4.5x40" "15# 900 Global Zen Soul-60x4.5x40" "15# Roto Grip Idol Helios-90 x 2.25 x 45" "15# 900 Global Altered Reality-50x3.625x30" "15# Brunswick Uppercut-80x3.625x35" "15# Brunswick Igniter-70x5.5x35" "15# Raw Hammer Pearl 45x5.75x40" "15# Brunswick T-Zone"
Rev Rate about 270 @ about 15.5 MPH at the pins* High Game: 290 - High Series: 733. PAP: 5 1/8"x1" up; tilt 20*, rotation 75*. YTD highs - 290-733
Oh, and LEFTY!!!
Very common. I've experienced the same comments back when I got a lot of coaching. I'd tell other bowlers or coaches that I took some lessons from "XYZ" and they'd say similar things. And I agree with the 2nd part as well, I honestly only know of one former PBA player around here, and he's 45 minutes away and doesn't give lessons anymore. Not like living in Cali where I had multiple pro coaches to take lessons from, a couple PSOs, Rob out in Vegas.
I WISH the USBC would have a link on their website to coaches near you...and you could check boxes to filter the results. Like:
- Distance (radius)
- Gold Level
- Silver Level
- Bronze Level
- Accepting new students
- Registered Volunteer (Screened to Teach Children)
- Ages Taught (All, Junior Only, College Only, Adults only, Seniors, etc...)
- # PBA/PBA50/PWBA competitions
- # PBA/PBA50/PWBA titles
- Bolwed Collegiate?
- Bowled International
- Price
- Language(s)
- Two-Handers/traditional
- wheelchair bowling
I mean, there are SO many bowling balls and bowling ball companies...yet you can filter results at bowling ball.com and find a handful of options. For bowling coaches, you'll be as good as the person running your pro shop...IF your center still has a pro shop. Tennis has a LOT of coaches. Golf has a LOT of coaches. Bowling??
And its not fair to blame the sport or USBC...because the DEMAND for coaching isn't the same. It comes down to something one of my coaches told me: "You have 3 kinds of bowlers: One kind that bowls terribly but doesn't care. You have one kind that bowls well, that thinks they don't need coaching. Then you have one kind that isn't bowling great or even well and wants to get better. That 3rd group gets coaching."
In Bag: (: .) Motiv Trident Odyssey; (: .) Hammer Scorpion Sting; (: .) Brunswick Endeavor; (: .) Radical Outer Limits Pearl; (: .) Ebonite Maxim
USBC#: 8259-59071; USBC Sanctioned Average = 172; Lifetime Average = 171;
Ball Speed: 14.4mph; Rev. Rate: 240rpm || High Game (sanc.) = 300 (268); High Series (sanc.) = 725 (720); Clean Games: 181
Smokey this is not 'Nam', this is bowling. There are rules. Proud two-time winner of a bowlingboards.com weekly ball give-away!
USBC used to have a list of certified coaches and at the time this guy was a bronze level and the only one on there within 2 hours, which is why I never went that route. Ran into this guy in my summer league and started talking to him. He is a 235 average bowler and is now a silver level coach. He started helping us at league without charging us anything so ended up getting official lessons from him. He has definitely helped me but now I feel like a dart without feathers. No idea what to do or what I'm doing wrong. Oddly when he is there watching and helping I can get it perfect. He hasn't been at league for a couple of weeks now though. Probably gonna have to hit him up again. I think next tuesday I'm going in early and throw a practice game. If I figure it out then I'll bowl league. If I don't I'll probably sit out league and either hang with the team or continue practicing.
Arsenal "15# Global Eternity Pi-45x4.5x40" "15# 900 Global Xponent-60x4.5x40" "15# 900 Global Zen Soul-60x4.5x40" "15# Roto Grip Idol Helios-90 x 2.25 x 45" "15# 900 Global Altered Reality-50x3.625x30" "15# Brunswick Uppercut-80x3.625x35" "15# Brunswick Igniter-70x5.5x35" "15# Raw Hammer Pearl 45x5.75x40" "15# Brunswick T-Zone"
Rev Rate about 270 @ about 15.5 MPH at the pins* High Game: 290 - High Series: 733. PAP: 5 1/8"x1" up; tilt 20*, rotation 75*. YTD highs - 290-733
Oh, and LEFTY!!!
The ‘find a coach’ feature on Bowl.com is back up and running. You can look for a coach within a certain distance from your home zip code, by state, or you can look for a particular coach by name. It no longer shows the level one coaches, just the bronze, silver, and gold ones. To get the level of information that Aslan would like, the coach has to be signed up for something called ‘Coach +’. If the coach is signed up for this clicking on his or her name will send you to a page with what ever info the coach chooses to provide. So far only one coach in Connecticut is signed up and his details are somewhat sparse.
John
I'll have to take another look at bowl.com.
I know there's a coach locally, because I saw him giving lessons yesterday. I'd prefer to have "options", but I doubt I'll get a huge selection unless I wanna drive 45 minutes to Wichita...which I'd be willing to do once a month for a high-level coach.
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