Best "simple" release?

[Ball99999]

I know how to do a good release, but doing one while actually bowling is difficult for me.

Right now I'd like to worry on just a physical game and consistency so I was wondering what you think the best simple release is?

I'm assuming something without wrist rotation so please describe hand position and if wrist should be straight/cupped etc.

[bowl1820]

Okay here's the simple release again, from one of your past threads.


I'm finding it so difficult to coordinate all this. It would seem easier if I could just keep my hand in one position but everyone tells me to turn it and I either overdo it or turn my arm.

Your basically just starting out, So Yes Keep it simple at first. There's nothing wrong with keeping the hand in one position.

Here's something I posted in another thread.

Just hold the ball with a firm straight wrist, hold the hand at about a 45 degree angle and hold this position through the swing.
http://www.bowlingboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=683&d=1352471342http://s19.postimage.org/426j213sz/45deghand.jpg
This will give you a good basic roll on the ball, a little bit of hook.

Your not going to swing the whole lane with it, so you might have to move right with it some. Your just working on a consistent release.

Remember keep your elbow in, do a nice straight swing (Stay in the 4" groove)
Look at the two videos in this thread:
Click here for Keys-to-a-Good-Aim-Swing (http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/10204-Keys-to-a-Good-Aim-Swing)

Once your consistent there, then you can work on adding more hook, cupping and uncupping the wrist, cocking the wrist etc.

[The German Shepherd]

Watch a Porker BohnIII video on youtube. His physical game is beyond perfect...

Jay

[75lockwood]

I vote for the option where you post a video of yourself bowling so we can give advice specific to YOU

[Tampabaybob]

I vote for the option where you post a video of yourself bowling so we can give advice specific to YOU

I'm with lockwood......with all of the posts you've made, it's time you posted a video.

Bob

[Ball99999]

So basically not flat (like I used to.. it was basically a straight ball release for a reactive..) and not 90 degrees (suitcase?) where my two fingers, curled into the ball, look like they're pointing to the left wall... but right in the middle? Does wrist position still make a difference here (should it be stiff, cupped etc?)

[bowl1820]

So basically not flat (like I used to.. it was basically a straight ball release for a reactive..) and not 90 degrees (suitcase?) where my two fingers, curled into the ball, look like they're pointing to the left wall... but right in the middle? Does wrist position still make a difference here (should it be stiff, cupped etc?)

Did you even read my post above? It answers those questions and even has 2 pictures showing you.

[Tampabaybob]

So basically not flat (like I used to.. it was basically a straight ball release for a reactive..) and not 90 degrees (suitcase?) where my two fingers, curled into the ball, look like they're pointing to the left wall... but right in the middle? Does wrist position still make a difference here (should it be stiff, cupped etc?)

See if this helps...It's part of an article by John Jowdy:

The forward swing is the culmination of an ideal armswing. It requires undying pa- tience and must be executed without a trace of anxiety, particularly in its beginning. The forward swing should not be forced. The top of the backswing must act as a dropoff point.
Imagine the arm and ball as a crane and wrecking ball em- ployed by demolition crews. The ball should fall in a downward slope from its own
weight and descend powered ONLY by its own momentum.
Forcing the ball through the downswing can prove catastrophic. It will create an imbal- ance at the release because the exertion im- pedes rhythm. It can also induce an early turn of the hand at the release point and hinder and inhibit a clean, smooth follow through. More often than not, this results in pulling a shot.
A free armswing affords hand acceleration as the forward swing reaches a flat plane. At this point of the delivery, the hand, and ONLY the hand, should accelerate out, through the ball, and onto the lane. This release, coupled with a proper pushaway and a fluid and free armswing, can result in near-perfect shot execution.
A free armswing equips you to execute at the highest level.

Follow Through
An ideal follow through should be soft and extended with minimum elbow bend. It must be swung from the shoulder, not the forearm, and extended toward the pins, NOT the ceil- ing. It is advisable to send the fingers to the breakpoint. I do not recommend following through behind the ear with bent elbow. This type follow through tends to make the ball over-react. Keep the follow through long and extended.
With patience and practice, you will be- come a better bowler!

Bob

[MisterSinister]

Did you even read my post above?

Does he ever?

[Ball99999]

Did you even read my post above? It answers those questions and even has 2 pictures showing you.

What's the issue.. I was just confirming what you said..
Then specifically wanted confirmation on if wrist cup still works for that release.

[bowl1820]

What's the issue.. I was just confirming what you said..
Then specifically wanted confirmation on if wrist cup still works for that release.

Okay, originally you asked what is the best "simple" release? Because doing a "Good release is too hard".

the answer I gave was
"Just hold the ball with a firm straight wrist, hold the hand at about a 45 degree angle and hold this position through the swing."

Now your asking "if wrist cup still works for that release."?

Yes, you can cup the ball if you need to and you can break your wrist back if needed.

Okay lets anticipate your next question "Do I keep my hand at a 45 or angle it some other way?"

Yes or you can change angles if needed. That will change your rotation some.

Okay lets anticipate another next question "Do you keep the hand straight or do you cock it ?"

You can keep it straight, but you could cock it if you wanted or needed to.

But once you start adding those into the simple release, it will no longer be the "Simple" release but will become the: "I know how to do a good release, but doing one while actually bowling is difficult for me." release again.

So the best suggestion is to stick with just the simple release and practice it till you are consistent with it. before worrying about if you can change something.

[Ball99999]

By simple I just mean no wrist turning. Cupping is easy enough

[AZBowla]

By simple I just mean no wrist turning. Cupping is easy enough

I hold my ball at the angle I want it to be at during release and then just focus on keeping it in that position the whole time. When I do it right, the ball hits my mark (usually the second arrow). When I don't, it goes left of my mark and I see it right away. As with anything else, it takes practice. Don't expect to get this right immediately, just keep at it until you can do it consistently. Then move on to the next step.

I know you've said before that you don't want to hire a coach but I think it would be money well spent for you. A coach will be able to watch you bowl and answer your questions far better than anyone just reading posts in here. You can usually get a good deal on one lesson and that one lesson can give you tips and advice that will make your next several practice sessions much more productive and worthwhile. Remember, even the pro's have coaches. If they need them, then guys like you and I definitely need them.

Good luck and keep at it.

[75lockwood]

By simple I just mean no wrist turning. Cupping is easy enough

Ok, if you want to hook the ball without any rotation then your option is a full roller (the "briefcase") my question is what is so difficult about rotating your wrist, point your thumb at 2 o clock, as you release the ball rotate to 10 o clock....

Read this: http://www.athletics2000.com/andrew/Documents/USBC%20Chapter%2007%20Fine%20Tuning%20the%20Physic al%20Game.pdf

[Ball99999]

You would have to ask my wrist and fingers. Somedays it works but mostly it's just a big fat mess.
I wonder what would really be loss without turn.. I can still put roTation and lift with the single position.

[billf]

You can get a hook with just lift alone. Check out the last guy on this video with the red shirt. No axis rotation, just lift and it hooks.
P.S. that issue is now corrected so he can adjust more to the lanes.

http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/9593-DV8-Misfit-against-the-Defiant-and-Critical-Theory

[kmf]

You would have to ask my wrist and fingers. Somedays it works but mostly it's just a big fat mess.
I wonder what would really be loss without turn.. I can still put roTation and lift with the single position.

Do you feel the ball roll off the end of your fingers? The tips of sides or does it just feel like it leaves the pads of your fingers and not the tips?

[75lockwood]

You would have to ask my wrist and fingers. Somedays it works but mostly it's just a big fat mess.
I wonder what would really be loss without turn.. I can still put roTation and lift with the single position.

Sorry, what i got from this is that you are capable of it, but you simply need to practice! Practice makes perfect, there is not secret way to get strike after strike, if you want to do with you need to practice! changling what you do every week will get you nowhere

[Tampabaybob]

You would have to ask my wrist and fingers. Somedays it works but mostly it's just a big fat mess.
I wonder what would really be loss without turn.. I can still put roTation and lift with the single position.

Ok, I think everyone that has posted here to answer your question ( # 247 ) would agree that your main problem you're having, is "OVER THINKING" everything. The amount of questions, and type you've asked, would lead me to believe, after all of the answers I've seen come back from you, is that you now have an overload of information and are totally confused. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what appears to be going on. I think Bill, Bowl1820, Lockwood, and several others might agree with me. Everyone on this site, is more than willing to help someone improve, BUT, it's the practice, and MANY games of it, that's really going to help. IF you try to work on too many things at the same time, with no one standing behind you to correct what you're doing, you'll just be going around in circles chasing your tail.

At this point, if you lived closer to me, I'd drive a couple of hours just to get you straightened out. But I hope you take this in the way I'm intending it. You need to get more practice, submit a video and let us see the results. That's the only way, I can see, we can help you out.

Bob

[75lockwood]

Ok, I think everyone that has posted here to answer your question ( # 247 ) would agree that your main problem you're having, is "OVER THINKING" everything. The amount of questions, and type you've asked, would lead me to believe, after all of the answers I've seen come back from you, is that you now have an overload of information and are totally confused. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what appears to be going on. I think Bill, Bowl1820, Lockwood, and several others might agree with me. Everyone on this site, is more than willing to help someone improve, BUT, it's the practice, and MANY games of it, that's really going to help. IF you try to work on too many things at the same time, with no one standing behind you to correct what you're doing, you'll just be going around in circles chasing your tail.

At this point, if you lived closer to me, I'd drive a couple of hours just to get you straightened out. But I hope you take this in the way I'm intending it. You need to get more practice, submit a video and let us see the results. That's the only way, I can see, we can help you out.

Bob

This * 1000!

Well said good sir

[billf]

He gets the same basic answers on another site too. Same general questions there as here, same general answers too. If I had vacation time and the money I would go to Cali just to see for myself what he is doing. After reading on both sites I would say Ball9999 (or Twist) may just be expecting too much or have a little, tiny thing that's messing him all up. It's to the point that he is frustrated and everyone else is getting (or is) frustrated because it seems nothing works to correct the issues. It's probably something as simple as foot position in the stance that's wrong and the bowler doesn't have the proper visual perspective to notice.