Contemplating a switch to a two-handed delivery

[AZBowla]

Starting a separate thread on this since I hjiacked Hammer's resin ball thread. Like the title says I'm contemplating a change from a one handed delivery to a two handed delivery. I know some people really hate the two handed style, and some hate lefties so since I'm contemplating throwing a left-handed two hand delivery, I just may become the most hated man in bowling history (LOL), but I feel like I'm at a point where I should try it and either get it out of my system or if I like it, practice it seriously. Curious for feedback from other folks who have made the same change and how it worked out for you.

Thanks all!

[Zothen]

Depends how old you are? I have heard from a lot of people that it really puts a strain on lower back from all the twisting,which is why you don't see a lot of 2 handed bowlers.

Zothen

[75lockwood]

Depends how old you are? I have heard from a lot of people that it really puts a strain on lower back from all the twisting,which is why you don't see a lot of 2 handed bowlers.

Zothen

I heard this as well, however just because it puts a bit more strain on the back doesn't mean you can't do it. look at WRWJ, he is over 50 and can do it :cool:

as long as you put your mind to it, you can achieve anything!

[noeymc]

i agree with 75

[MisterSinister]

I have played with two handed a little. I bowl without my thumb anyway, so its pretty close to what I do anyway. If you want to try it, go for it. There's a guy in my league who just switched to two handed, and he's in his mid 40's. The biggest issue is control. U have to remember that even though your using two hands, you are still only throwing it with one. Study videos of Belmo and Osku. I think within 5 years, u are going to start seeing a whole lot of two handers.

[75lockwood]

I have played with two handed a little. I bowl without my thumb anyway, so its pretty close to what I do anyway. If you want to try it, go for it. There's a guy in my league who just switched to two handed, and he's in his mid 40's. The biggest issue is control. U have to remember that even though your using two hands, you are still only throwing it with one. Study videos of Belmo and Osku. I think within 5 years, u are going to start seeing a whole lot of two handers.

The biggest problem right now is the fact that coaches aren't prepared as much to coach 2 handers, but i think i read somewhere (could have been here lol) that belmo is working with usbc to get a 2 handed coaching program set up

[MisterSinister]

The biggest problem right now is the fact that coaches aren't prepared as much to coach 2 handers, but i think i read somewhere (could have been here lol) that belmo is working with usbc to get a 2 handed coaching program set up

Yes, BillF posted that a few times. That is one of the reasons I have learned two handed (as well as a traditional 3 finger delivery.) I want to know everything I can about other deliveries, in case I ever want to teach them.

[AZBowla]

There was Project Two Hands back in 2010, I watched a few of those videos on youtube which has many useful tips on the two handed style that I'll be using on Friday.

[MisterSinister]

Yes, good video, lots of tips there. Also an epic goatee as well. Wonder if that guy stuck with it? I'm on the way out the door, yo the bowling alley, maybe i'll bowl a game two handed tonight.

[kmf]

I know three people who bowl two-handed. They did it because they couldn't figure out one handed. Turned out they had trouble figuring out two handed as well. With some work with a jerk coach who doesn't take excuses, they can now control their ball rotation to help adjust and pick up spares. One of them was trying to be upright at the start position. At least all three have improved by 30 pins so far this year. They all say it's a back strain and real hard to get the adjustment right when the speed it off when tired but it still looks cool.

[GoodGorilla]

I would experiment with it if I was you, just because you are thinking about it. You should see how much you like, or dislike it before thinking about switching. Because it will be new to you, you will probably not do very well with it. It is tempting to try it out because of all revs you can put on the ball, but I am not that interested at the moment because I have so many things to work on with the one handed style. Also, I can get more tips and feedback on the one handed style.

[MisterSinister]

I did a little two handing last night, and took some video. It looks fine, pretty close to Belmo or Osku. Worked well, threw strikes, made spares (the computer wasn't on so I don't know the scores.) It's just not something I'm interested in doing full time. I also messed around with a traditional one hand delivery with my thumb in. That worked out nice, and I'm more interested in doing that full time than two handing.

[AZBowla]

I appreciate the feedback gang, keep it coming!

It's something I definitely need to try. Otherwise I'll never get the idea out of my head. I can't wait 'til Friday when I can go give this a real go. The practice rolls I've done here at home feel good, almost natural. It could be that for me this style better suits me than one handed. I'll have to wait until Friday to know for sure. Also lately, every time I put my thumb in this new ball, it just sucks it in like a vacuum and I know it's going to stick, plus it hurts. I think by knuckling it last time I messed something up. With the two handed style, I won't have those worries and I'll be able to throw this ball with more confidence and control.

I'll be taking some video when we go, so I can see myself doing it and compare both styles objectively. My GF used to be on a bowling team in High School so she will be reviewing the video and helping coach me as well.

[UBowling]

You can try it, it is fun, I have but I definitely can't do it. But, there are health concerns, Belmo has a lot of back and knee problems because of it. There are different mechanics involved and some of them out a ton of strain on your body.

However, trying it won't hurt anything. And if you like it, then do it. If you have been bowling for a while the standard way, I wonder if you would be able to perform better two handed than what you are now.

[J Anderson]

Starting a separate thread on this since I hjiacked Hammer's resin ball thread. Like the title says I'm contemplating a change from a one handed delivery to a two handed delivery. I know some people really hate the two handed style, and some hate lefties so since I'm contemplating throwing a left-handed two hand delivery, I just may become the most hated man in bowling history (LOL), but I feel like I'm at a point where I should try it and either get it out of my system or if I like it, practice it seriously. Curious for feedback from other folks who have made the same change and how it worked out for you.

Thanks all!

I haven't tried it myself. I just thought I'd warn you that we already have a lefty who throws two-handed in our sport league so at best you'll only tie for most hated.

[AZBowla]

I haven't tried it myself. I just thought I'd warn you that we already have a lefty who throws two-handed in our sport league so at best you'll only tie for most hated.

Hahaha! Lefties unite!

That's one of the things I'm concerned about though in all honesty. I want to start doing tournaments but I don't want someone to go crying to the director or whatever that I'm cheating because I'm using two hands. Even if it's baseless, it's drama I don't really need or want. Some people can be downright childish, especially when there's money involved.

[MisterSinister]

Good luck with the two handed. For me the mechanics were hard to get correct, but when you did, and when you threw a good ball, the exsplosion is insane. If a lefty two hander has this amazing "unfair" advantage, then Cassidy Shaub should win every PBA event, and yet he has never made TV. He is one of 4 two handers who has been on the tour at some point in the last few years, and he is left handed.

[Brother_jd]

I have played around with a 2 handed delivery before. My biggest problem with it for myself is i get very inconsitent with my speed, which causes the ball to react differently.

[75lockwood]

I have played around with a 2 handed delivery before. My biggest problem with it for myself is i get very inconsitent with my speed, which causes the ball to react differently.

i messed around with 2 hands today, it was funny, i was putting so many revs on the ball i had to stand out where board 45 wound be and loft it over the gutter LOL i got 1 strike doing it, but was extremely inconsistant. i think ill stick with 1 hand

[MisterSinister]

i messed around with 2 hands today, it was funny, i was putting so many revs on the ball i had to stand out where board 45 wound be and loft it over the gutter LOL i got 1 strike doing it, but was extremely inconsistant. i think ill stick with 1 hand

When I first tried it, I was all over the place. Once I figured out the whole two handed is half a myth, and you only use one hand to throw it at the end, I got it down. My problem is I tend to get the ball too far away from my body doing it, so it's almost like I'm side arming it. I did snap off 15 strikes in a row with it, in practice, with no scoreboard, and two of those were Brooklyn. It's very tempting to convert, it's like being Luke Skywalker being tempted to come over to the Dark Side of The Force. If I were younger (teens or early 20's) I probably would give it a go. In my ealry 30's, I don't see it in my future, despite not only throwing a lot of stikes, but making most of my spares as well. I may still play with it on the side, just to get the looks from people in the center.

[Bahshay]

I tried it for awhile, but couldn't quite get my speed high enough to do anything but wheel the whole lane. That made my game VERY condition specific... I'd shoot 770 one week and 550 the next. I chose to go back to 1 handed. However, my two handed teammate dealt with the same issues but stuck with it. Eventually his speed came up, his release got consistent, his average shot up 20-30 pins and he set the county record with a 878. He was a decent, accurate bowler one handed, but simply could not get many revs on the ball. Two-handed was a great choice for him. On the other hand, I have plenty of speed and revs one handed, so there didn't seem to be worth the time. Ultimately the choice is up to you, but you need to realize that the switch will require a LOT of practice to get it consistent. If you don't have the time to put in, I don't recommend it.

Here are a few items to help you along your way. Good luck!

http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=Coaching (see the section on Two-handed)


A couple of recent two handed coaching posts from a top 100 coach in the USA, Jim Merrell:
http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6892
http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6858

Finally, a FANTASTIC video on the form of top two-handers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egPrzCe4DSQ (also a Jim Merrell production)

[MisterSinister]

The biggest key to ball speed two handd is the footwork. Watch Belmo or Osku. They have a little hop step in the delivery. I've tried it without the hop, and my ball speed was in the 17mph range. Then I tried it with the hop, and it went up to 19mph.

[AZBowla]

Well I gave it a shot, but went back to one handed as I'm far more accurate that way. I might try it again but with the next ABT tournament next month, I'm going to just stick to a one handed delivery for now. It will be a fun addition to my bag of tricks once I get the hang of it. Got some odd looks from the bowlers at the next lane over when I tried it. That was fun.

[75lockwood]

Well I gave it a shot, but went back to one handed as I'm far more accurate that way. I might try it again but with the next ABT tournament next month, I'm going to just stick to a one handed delivery for now. It will be a fun addition to my bag of tricks once I get the hang of it. Got some odd looks from the bowlers at the next lane over when I tried it. That was fun.

Of course you are more accurate with 1 hand, how long have you been bowling 1 handed? and what about 2 handed?

if you want to get accurate you need to practice, when bowling in league, etc sure bowl "normally" but practice 2 handed on the side and accuracy will come! (I'm not letting you quit)



Disclaimer:If AZBowla quits trying to bowl with 2 hands 75lockwood has the right to contact AZBowlas Girl with page after page of expensive purple bowling gear (ever heard of a purple diamond?) :cool:

[AZBowla]

Of course you are more accurate with 1 hand, how long have you been bowling 1 handed? and what about 2 handed?

if you want to get accurate you need to practice, when bowling in league, etc sure bowl "normally" but practice 2 handed on the side and accuracy will come! (I'm not letting you quit)

Disclaimer:If AZBowla quits trying to bowl with 2 hands 75lockwood has the right to contact AZBowlas Girl with page after page of expensive purple bowling gear (ever heard of a purple diamond?) :cool:

LOL!! My GF loves this post... I'm sure she'll be along later to comment on it herself.

Alright, we will likely go bowling again tomorrow so if we do I will bowl an entire game two handed and post the results here. If I break 100 bowling that way, I'll be shocked. Stay tuned, folks.

[75lockwood]

LOL!! My GF loves this post... I'm sure she'll be along later to comment on it herself.

Alright, we will likely go bowling again tomorrow so if we do I will bowl an entire game two handed and post the results here. If I break 100 bowling that way, I'll be shocked. Stay tuned, folks.

I Aim to please :D

[AZBowla]

Look, you attracted the spam-bot to this thread with your reference to expensive purple stuff LOL!

[AZBowla's Girl]

Of course you are more accurate with 1 hand, how long have you been bowling 1 handed? and what about 2 handed?

if you want to get accurate you need to practice, when bowling in league, etc sure bowl "normally" but practice 2 handed on the side and accuracy will come! (I'm not letting you quit)



Disclaimer:If AZBowla quits trying to bowl with 2 hands 75lockwood has the right to contact AZBowlas Girl with page after page of expensive purple bowling gear (ever heard of a purple diamond?) :cool:


LOL!! My GF loves this post... I'm sure she'll be along later to comment on it herself.

Alright, we will likely go bowling again tomorrow so if we do I will bowl an entire game two handed and post the results here. If I break 100 bowling that way, I'll be shocked. Stay tuned, folks.

I'm baaaaaaccccckkkkkk! LOL Well, even though I would love to have more purple stuff, including purple stones like a purple sapphire...I would like to be able to see him try it and see how he likes bowling two handed. But since he had his thumb hole fixed in his ball, I think that he will like to stay as a single handed bowler. LOL

[75lockwood]

Look, you attracted the spam-bot to this thread with your reference to expensive purple stuff LOL!

Its all my fault! nooooooooooooooooooooooo


I'm baaaaaaccccckkkkkk! LOL Well, even though I would love to have more purple stuff, including purple stones like a purple sapphire...I would like to be able to see him try it and see how he likes bowling two handed. But since he had his thumb hole fixed in his ball, I think that he will like to stay as a single handed bowler. LOL

lol, i never said he had to switch, just keep at it long enough to know whether or not it was possible, quitting after doing something the first time because you sucked is a horrid idea. I Just know how to in courage people :D

[AZBowla's Girl]

Its all my fault! nooooooooooooooooooooooo



lol, i never said he had to switch, just keep at it long enough to know whether or not it was possible, quitting after doing something the first time because you sucked is a horrid idea. I Just know how to in courage people :D

Don't worry, I wont let him give up on it. I have my ways to encourage him too. ;) lol

[AZBowla]

lol, i never said he had to switch, just keep at it long enough to know whether or not it was possible, quitting after doing something the first time because you sucked is a horrid idea. I Just know how to in courage people :D

I never said I was quitting :) I just decided not to embarrass myself any further in front of my kids and GF lol! But you're right, so just for argument's sake I will bowl one full game two handed and see how I do tomorrow. I'll even have my lovely GF take some video of it so we can all have a good laugh.

[AZBowla's Girl]

I never said I was quitting :) I just decided not to embarrass myself any further in front of my kids and GF lol! But you're right, so just for argument's sake I will bowl one full game two handed and see how I do tomorrow. I'll even have my lovely GF take some video of it so we can all have a good laugh.

This video ought to be fun to do.

[75lockwood]

I never said I was quitting :) I just decided not to embarrass myself any further in front of my kids and GF lol! But you're right, so just for argument's sake I will bowl one full game two handed and see how I do tomorrow. I'll even have my lovely GF take some video of it so we can all have a good laugh.

A copy of this video better be posted for us to see :D

[AZBowla]

A copy of this video better be posted for us to see :D

Oh it will be, no worries. Just don't expect to see any Belmo or Palermaa style strike-fests. I might gutter it so hard that I get a strike in the next lane over though, so there's always that possibility to look forward to...

[75lockwood]

Oh it will be, no worries. Just don't expect to see any Belmo or Palermaa style strike-fests. I might gutter it so hard that I get a strike in the next lane over though, so there's always that possibility to look forward to...

Hey, if you can do this i would think your awesome :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjNF7HoQ6yY

[kmf]

I saw my dad use these today while coaching a two-hander. I found them interesting
http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/2-handed_foul_line_drill_dyds.pdf
http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_btm_july_07_2_handed.pdf

[AZBowla]

I saw my dad use these today while coaching a two-hander. I found them interesting
http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/2-handed_foul_line_drill_dyds.pdf
http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_btm_july_07_2_handed.pdf

These are great, thanks! Maybe now I won't look quite so ridiculous out there tomorrow. :D

[AZBowla]

OK, so I did it - ! bowled one full game as a two-hander, and yes my girlfriend recorded the effort in it's all-too-embarrassnig glory. I still need to upload the video, so I'll be doing that tonight as it was pretty hilarious but long story short I sucked terribly at it plus I messed up my back pretty good so I don't think I'll be attempting that again anytime soon. But it was interesting and an eye opener for sure. It's definitely NOT as easy as it looks on TV. It did lead to a bit of a breakthrough on my one handed game though, which I'll elaborate more on in a different thread that I have going.

Stay tuned for the video. :)