Would drilling span affect revs rate?

[Cochese]

Question for your guys. Would the span my ball is drilled have any affect on the rev rate? My old Columbia Messenger has a span that is just over 1/4 inch longer between the fingers and thumb than my new Storm Frantic. When I first got my Frantic, it felt like it was too short and I couldn't hold onto the ball well. I showed the driller my old ball and he said the span was too long on my old ball and the new one was how it's supposed to be. I took her word for it and I have been throwing my Frantic exclusively for about two months.

Today I broke out the Messenger when I got frustrated while practicing. Now the span on the old ball does feel a little too long because I am used to my new ball. But when I throw it, I bet it gets almost twice as many revs and a lot better reaction when the ball hits the friction. The drilling layouts are very similar except the Messenger has a weight hole. Here is a pic of each layout.

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n550/rberndt3/Kegeling/189be0a503f2fd1b90d76afc18d24386.jpg

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n550/rberndt3/Kegeling/07ac4e87507d5a598e42fa2174627c00.jpg

[billf]

Seeing as the different span will cause the fingers to have a different angle it is then changing the pitch. Pitch of the holes will affect revs.

[Cochese]

So for my next ball how should I have my driller set it up? I want the ball to come off my hand like my old messenger, but the span is almost too much where it's uncomfortable

[Stormed1]

There are several differences in the 2 balls besides span. The messenger is a pearl vs the hybrid of the Frantic so as a result the coverstock of the Frantic (which is stronger than the Messenger ) will read the lane sooner. The drill angle on the Frantic is larger which will affect when the ball reads the pattern. People are too hung up on rev rate now days. The 2 greates bowlers of all time did not have huge rev rates. Work with what you have and learn to be accurate. Your scores will increase as a result. Too long of a span will result in damage to you hand over a long period of time

[Cochese]

I know the span on the other ball is too long. I am wondering if I get a ball drilled in between if it will help. I will probably go with a reactive resin ball instead of a hybrid fort next ball too. But the Messenger just l

[Cochese]

But the messenger just looks like a normal ball that goes for the lane and reacts at when it hits the break point My Frantic doesn't rev get hardly any revs and just reacts a little when it hits the break. I like the reaults of the messenger a lot better. I threw more strikes with it practicing yesterday.

[Cochese]

Sorry for the broken posts but I am on my iPhone and it won't let me go back and edit. Hopefully what I am saying makes sense.

[billf]

Even though the layouts appear similar, you're still comparing apples to oranges. Move your feet a few boards right and the Frantic will be fine. Reaction off the break point is actually more a product of axis rotation and not revs. Revs get the ball to push past the oil pattern before reading the mid-lane.

[Cochese]

I do understand what you guys are saying about revs not being everything and to just play the right line with the frantic. I have made adjustments, gotten used to it and shot some decent scores with it. But when I throw a strike with the messenger, it is actually driving thru the pins where the frantic is just rolling thru. Isn't that a good thing?

I don't have dreams of throwing coast to coast and being a super cranker. I just want a littler more snap at the end. And no matter how I adjust to throw the frantic, I can't get it to rev up like the messenger. And I understand the coverstock has a role in that too. But I can tell by feel that when I release the messenger vs the frantic, I am physically applying more rotation on the ball.

I guess it's hard to explain but when I throw the messenger it feels like there is pressure on my finger tips so when I released it feels like I have leverage on it.

When I release the frantic it feels like it just falls off my hand.

The other thing I noticed is the thumb hole on the messenger is more snug than the frantic too. Would that be a factor too? I already use 3 pieces of tape in the frantic but I don't need any tape in the messenger.

[billf]

The thumb hole plays a large role in revs, more than most think. As long as it's as snug with the tape it should be about the same though. If not, the extra pressure you will provide will cause the release of the thumb to be later, taking revs away from the ball.

[Cochese]

So,if its too loose would that also take away for proper release?

[hondo]

What you are really asking is, " Will an incorrect fit play any role in my rev rate"? First there is only one best span for you, with maybe very slight alterations in pitch, and you should always stick with that.

You don run faster with a different size shoe, unless of course you have been running with the wrong size for years and getting blisters on your feet.

You want to get the right fit, don't split the difference, there is only one perfect span for you, just one. Then you rely on timing and clearing the ball for revs. There are obviously a few more things, but you get my drift.

[hondo]

If it doesn't fit, you have no idea how bad you may be struggling to get a good release with revs when you won't be able to. Span, hole size, pitch, all come into play. Get the fit right.

[Cochese]

The guy who runs the place is a grumpy old guy and he assured me that it was perfect. I am beginning to question his judgement now.

[Perrin]

In that case the best answer can only be to get a second opinion.

Do you have another pro-shop that you can visit and have them measure to see how they would drill your ball?

[Cochese]

The shop I went to has two location in my city. One in the alley and another separate shop. The guy who helped me to start works at their actual store. There is another driller who works at the shop in the alley. I was planning to have her watch me throw both balls and see if she could help.

There is another shop about 20 miles away if worse comes to worse too.

[Perrin]

If the guy is anything like some people I have been around be careful how you ask the other person their opinion.

There is always a chance that what you say could in some form get back to him(paraphrased or not) and some people don't take well to their opinions being questioned.

Just my opinion :)

[Cochese]

That is a good point. I wasn't going to say anything about questioning the other driller. I was just going to ask the driller at the shop in the alley (the one who did not drill my frantic in the first place) to watch me throw both and ask what was going on.

[Cochese]

So I took my Frantic in and talked to the other driller at my shop, not the one who originally drilled it. I brought my spec sheet from e original guy and she checked out how my hand fit in the Frantic and said the distance between my ring finger and thumb was too short. She also said the ring finger puts most of the lift on the ball and creates revs which would explain why I wasn't getting the release like I do with my old Messenger. She is going to redrill it for me.

PLUS, I ended up pulling the trigger on a new DV8 Hell Raiser Terror. The new measurements produced a much better release on the new HRT. Here is the thread I started withy he new ball info too. It is awesome!

http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/12935-News-Ball-New-Measurements-New-Deviant!?p=70275#post70275