what do u do when u see someone doing bad forum

[noeymc]

that could hurt them ( bending the elbow) i told him once when he came up to me and asked me for advice i offered my advice but made it clear he needs to stop bending his elbow hes going to hurt him self i did beat everyone on my 2 lanes tonight and i was just playing around i think 3-4 times i just walked up and threw the ball and got a strike i was like wow i like these lanes hahaha but overall i thought my forum was good i my self progressed should have adjusted sooner but o well so let me know how u handle that please cuz i wanted to say something again

[e-tank]

its bad to bend your elbow?

[noeymc]

on your back swing yeah i am talking like l= <--- think of that as a arm the line up and down is the elbow the 2 lines are the arm

[e-tank]

oh so youre talking like a 90 degree angle. I bend my arm slighty but nowhere near 90

[DrOcktagon]

Ya, I wasn't sure what you meant exactly either, because my arm bends just before release to create some extra torque. It's straight on my backswing, though.

If you already told him once, it's up to him now to correct it or not. You could always just bring it up again, letting him know that you are concerned about his safety or something.

[noeymc]

like you really shouldnt bend your elbow till you follow thur bending you elbow in ur back swing can cause injury i am trying to find some more info on it if not ill make a video and post it on here but give me a few

ok if u bending it like this your good if ur bending it to add revs thats a no no like any sooner and id say its bad his bending is in his release not his swing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTdmONtZohY

[DrOcktagon]

I think it's pretty common for tweeners and crankers to have a slight bend in their elbow on their downswing, just before the release; for a stroker I would expect a completely straight arm until the follow-through. I could be wrong, of course. Not sure about having it bent on the backswing, though. I'm curious to see what you find out.

I was just analyzing my swing on the "coachmyvideo" app and you can only see my arm bend for 1 or 2 frames of film, just before the ball is released.

[Greenday]

A slight, natural bend is no big deal. If you are really bending your arm, I'd imagine you are probably muscling the ball which is not a good thing.

[scottymoney]

I see bad forum everyday out of people, bad spelling, bad punctuation, thread stealing..........

Form on the other hand I try to leave people alone unless they ask me.

[bowl1820]

I'm assuming the question is about whether you should offer unsolicited advice to someone (Not a discussion about bent elbows). Who you see is having problem or you think is having a problem with their form.

If it was someone I didn't know, I wouldn't unless they asked. Because You don't know how they would welcome your opinion of their bowling. Some would be thankful, others could take offense at it.

Now if it was someone you knew already and you know how they would accept it, that's another story.

[noeymc]

he walked up to me ( first game ) and says hey do you see anything wrong with my forum i said you look good but you shouldn't bend your elbow like your going to hurt your self try to keep it straight he did it for 2 frames and bowled two strikes then went back to his way -_- on a side note he did make me feel good about my self i guess when u bowl 5 in a row he asked if i avg 200 i said no not yet thats the goal tho =D

stikers lol i thought forum stealing was the goal while being on here

[scottymoney]

he walked up to me ( first game ) and says hey do you see anything wrong with my forum i said you look good but you shouldn't bend your elbow like your going to hurt your self try to keep it straight he did it for 2 frames and bowled two strikes then went back to his way -_- on a side note he did make me feel good about my self i guess when u bowl 5 in a row he asked if i avg 200 i said no not yet thats the goal tho =D

stikers lol i thought forum stealing was the goal while being on here

The word is form! F O R M not forum.

[noeymc]

The word is form! F O R M not forum.

i cant spell sorry? if theres no red line i ddont know its wrong =D i was good at math and history u saying stuff about my spelling i could ask u a history question that u prob wont know can i get mad about that? who lead the march to the sea he also known as the anti Christ in the south

this is a easy one and no google it

[J Anderson]

i said you look good but you shouldn't bend your elbow like your going to hurt your self try to keep it straight he did it for 2 frames and bowled two strikes then went back to his way

Gee, too bad no one ever told Don Carter or Amletto Monicelli that. Even Earl Anthony had a slight bend in his arm swing. The bent elbow by itself doesn't cause injuries. The injuries come from the elbow rotating instead of just the wrist / fingers.

As to the original question, he asked you for advice. You gave him your honest opinion and he tried it for a couple of frames. You should be highly flattered, because that's about the best you can hope for. Unless you're actually coaching the person and giving positive feedback when they do it right and gently or not so gently reminding them when they relapse into their old form, most people won't try to act on advice more than once or twice, unless you're telling them to do something that they were already thinking about do anyway!

[J Anderson]

i cant spell sorry? if theres no red line i ddont know its wrong =D i was good at math and history u saying stuff about my spelling i could ask u a history question that u prob wont know can i get mad about that? who lead the march to the sea he also known as the anti Christ in the south

this is a easy one and no google it

General Sherman.

[noeymc]

Gee, too bad no one ever told Don Carter or Amletto Monicelli that. Even Earl Anthony had a slight bend in his arm swing. The bent elbow by itself doesn't cause injuries. The injuries come from the elbow rotating instead of just the wrist / fingers.

As to the original question, he asked you for advice. You gave him your honest opinion and he tried it for a couple of frames. You should be highly flattered, because that's about the best you can hope for. Unless you're actually coaching the person and giving positive feedback when they do it right and gently or not so gently reminding them when they relapse into their old form, most people won't try to act on advice more than once or twice, unless you're telling them to do something that they were already thinking about do anyway!

idk he said it was his first night back after like 5-7 years and yes G. T Sherman is right =D

thats called chicken winging it right?

[J Anderson]

idk he said it was his first night back after like 5-7 years and yes G. T Sherman is right =D

thats called chicken winging it right?

Correct.

[noeymc]

Correct.

see i was always told that bending your elbow is the easiest way to hurt your self and not to do it id have to see it again to see if he getting his revs from bending his elbow

[GeoLes]

I intrpret the spirit of the question being should you offer unsolicted advise. The general answer in my case is no, but there are excepitons that I have experienced. I have seen teenagers just "chuck the ball" down lane. If I sense they are open to better form, for example they seem to admire my stroke, I offere simple basics like: as you walk to the pins, push away to the taget, let the ball swing away and back at the target again. Now follow the the ball after release until you can see your arm pointing at the target down lane. That is sometning than can be worked on easily because it has a self check built into it.

That said, there is no reason for frustration at a person for continuing a bad habit after being advised othewise. It is the individual's bowling game, not mine.

I had a similar experince with a guy I saw reqularly when I practices who would take a huge muscled backswing, step forward and down at the same time driving the ball down and into the approach at the point of delivery "BAM". I showed him a supported ball as opposed to one held on top by the fingers, and while he tried unsucessfully to send the ball out and down the lane, a few weeks later he was doing it and evenr getting a little hook on the ball.

So for me if I help, give someting manageable, leave it alone an leave the person to adapt on his/her own.