Its time to ban pit bulls

[ghoul31]

I'm getting tired of stories like this.



http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c3#/video/world/2013/03/27/dnt-can-chihuahua-takes-on-pitbull.ctv

[Greenday]

Time to ban stupid people.

I know plenty of pit bulls and the worst they will do is lick you to death.

We should ban chihuahua and mini-poodles. I've been bit more by them than any pit bull.

[billf]

But what led to the attack? Is this an owner who has raised the dog to be mean? Beat the dog? Have other children in the neighborhood teased the dog? How old is the Pit? The reason for that question is Pit Bulls, Dobermans and Rottweillers among others, as they age their brains become too large for the skull leading to erratic behavior. This doesn't happen to them all but is very common just as hip dysplasia is for a German Shepard.
My wife's Chihuahua is getting old and too protective. If you don't live here, he will go after you when you come through the door.

I only question this because I know too many morons that own Pit Bulls and Rottweillers who treat them poorly, wanting to make them mean. My step-daughter has a Pit Bull. She just moved out and had her dog here. I saw him for the first time in two weeks (was at her boyfriends while she packed, etc.) and he was so happy to see me he knocked me over to lick my face. I raised that pup and trained him for her and was never mean to him yet all I have to do is point and he will lower his head and go to where I pointed and lay down. Same with my Terrier and Miniature Doberman.

[ArtVandelay]

I dunno... I think certain breeds have certain tendencies. Border collies have a reputation for requiring work. I know someone who had one and if it was bored, it would "herd" her kids.

I dont know what my dog is. Mostly lab, but some think pitt is in there too. He has never growled or snapped or anything. His biggest fault is not realizing his own size and thinking he can be a lap dog. BUT...

He does have some protective tendencies (except vs small dogs. He is terrified of small dogs). He wants to know who is around me and if anything seems dangerous. In the dog park, if there is a fight, he runs to me. I cant decide if he is looking to me for protection or if he is there to protect me. The vet said labs and pitts are known to have loyal and protective tendencies, so I just have to make sure he knows its not acceptable to "protect" me. But that has never really come up.

[noeymc]

you sir are a very ignorant person... guess we should start banning people by race if one race seems to be more voilant even tho pits are some of the most lovable dogs but because there are a few he were raised wrong let get rid of them all

[BigErn32]

If you feel negative towards pit bulls you should watch the show on animal planet, Pit Bulls & Parolees. Great show that will make you realize they are GREAT dogs. Its a great program that shows there are a lot of people that truly care about animals and good people do exist.

[ghoul31]

you sir are a very ignorant person... guess we should start banning people by race if one race seems to be more voilant even tho pits are some of the most lovable dogs but because there are a few he were raised wrong let get rid of them all



That girls life is going to be a living hell with those giant scars all over her face

If a pit bull riped apart your daughters face, I bet you wouldn't be so smug

[ecub]

I'm a dog owner. I don't own a pitbull. Dog's do have their instincts, but I would have to blame it on their owner. The pitbull was probably trained to be a guard dog. It just didn't know the neighbors yard was not part of it's territory. Therefore, the dog saw the little girl as an enemy.

[ghoul31]

A five-year review of dog-bite injuries from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, published in 2009 in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, found that almost 51 percent of the attacks were from pit bulls, almost 9 percent were from Rottweilers and 6 percent were from mixes of those two breeds. In other words, a whopping two-thirds of the hospital's dog-attack injuries involved just two breeds, pit bulls and Rottweilers.

31 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2011. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 600 U.S. cities, pit bulls led these attacks accounting for 71% (22). Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.

[ecub]

The only thing is, untrained little dogs bite too. I'm sure all you can get is just a small scratch from little dogs. It's just the bigger dogs, have harder bites. It's still the fault of the owner. I'm not sure if anyone has watched Ceasar Millan, a dog trainer. He has taken in pitbulls, that were used to for dog fighting and trained them. The same dogs are in now homes with other dogs, people, even children.

[ecub]

http://www.pitbulls.org/article/cesar-millan-good-and-bad

[noeymc]

That girls life is going to be a living hell with those giant scars all over her face

If a pit bull riped apart your daughters face, I bet you wouldn't be so smug

i bet if that dog was raised right shed be alright no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners...

[ghoul31]

There is no such thing as a bad assault rifle, but they are being banned.

Because they are simply causing too much damage in the wrong hands.

Its the same thing with pit bulls. They are causing too much damage and need to be banned.

[noeymc]

the media makes people afraid of nothing all the time this is just another one of thos points before the pits it was rots before them it was the german sherpard also u just compared a living thing to a weapon where is your moral compass... i guess we should kill them all and let them die off right ? also what about the people who are raising there dogs right should they have to give up there family member? tell u what anyone wants to try and take my dog better be ready for war and i know for a fact a lot of people feel the same way why not ban all mexicans they are ms13 drug lords we should ban them all dont need them here they only are trouble right? i mean a gun is = to a dog so a dog must be = to a human lets ban your kids u are no long to have kids. people like you are causing pit bulls damg

[ghoul31]

Exotic animals like lions and tigers are banned because they are too dangerous.

Why would pit bulls be any different?

[J Anderson]

Exotic animals like lions and tigers are banned because they are too dangerous.

Why would pit bulls be any different?

First, most of the big exotic predators are endangered species and each one kept in a private zoo reduces the number left to reproduce in the wild.

Second, they are wild animals. While many have been conditioned to perform in circuses, none of them are tame.

Third, pit bull terriers are domesticated and submit to following a human pack leader.

[ghoul31]

Yes but pit bulls have been bred to fight and kill and be aggressive.

So in a way they are like wild animals.

[americantrotter]

You are obviously shaken up by the account, know of similar in your own life, or have always been afraid of the animal. Maybe all three.

The people who study these animals know that Pit Bulls are not automatic killing machines. As if they are a bomb that will without fail go off. There are a lot of statistics that both sides of this argument could point out. I fear with the obvious emotional attachment you have to the issue that you will stick by your own facts and not examine what they mean, merely that they support your argument.

I know that there are breeds that bite more often and that there are breeds that I find more scary. The problem for the Pit Bull that scares me is that it's bite is designed not to let go. Once it bites, it is meant to stay attached and very little changes that attachment.

It all boils down to the responsibilty of the owners. In attack siutations it isowners who are abusive and/or negligent. (Trust me, this isn't exclusive to Pit Bull owners) Very rare is the domesticated animal that is born evil. Which means that this is really all about how we all have to live around each other and their choices. To ban an entire breed seems unreasonable and shortsighted. It would not make the problems go away as the situation that created it would just meander to a different breed or device.

But that is assuming you don't think of the pit bull as evil incarnate 100% of the time. Which I fear that you do.

[jbeck]

You are obviously shaken up by the account, know of similar in your own life, or have always been afraid of the animal. Maybe all three.

The people who study these animals know that Pit Bulls are not automatic killing machines. As if they are a bomb that will without fail go off. There are a lot of statistics that both sides of this argument could point out. I fear with the obvious emotional attachment you have to the issue that you will stick by your own facts and not examine what they mean, merely that they support your argument.

I know that there are breeds that bite more often and that there are breeds that I find more scary. The problem for the Pit Bull that scares me is that it's bite is designed not to let go. Once it bites, it is meant to stay attached and very little changes that attachment.

It all boils down to the responsibilty of the owners. In attack siutations it isowners who are abusive and/or negligent. (Trust me, this isn't exclusive to Pit Bull owners) Very rare is the domesticated animal that is born evil. Which means that this is really all about how we all have to live around each other and their choices. To ban an entire breed seems unreasonable and shortsighted. It would not make the problems go away as the situation that created it would just meander to a different breed or device.

But that is assuming you don't think of the pit bull as evil incarnate 100% of the time. Which I fear that you do.

I believe it maybe personal as well. While I also believe it's definitely the owners that give these dogs a bad rep...it's like you said, their bite is designed to not let go, so that would deter me from owning one myself with small children, but that's my own opinion. Never would I say that they should all be destroyed though. I've seen some pitbulls very well mannered and friendly, just like their owners.

[noeymc]

Yes but pit bulls have been bred to fight and kill and be aggressive.

So in a way they are like wild animals.

the military is trained to fight and kill and be very aggressive

[75lockwood]

Yes but pit bulls have been bred to fight and kill and be aggressive.

So in a way they are like wild animals.

I don't understand your point, if i wanted to i'm sure i could train a Pomeranian to kill someone, is that the dog's fault? no. any animal is capable of violence, but the for the most part, people train them to be obedient. sure there are morons who train dogs to kill, but how is that the fault of the dog? if you grew up with extremist parent that trained you to strap a bomb to your chest and kill hundreds of people, and that was all you ever knew, would you know not to?

should we ban children because that small group of them killed people because of what they were taught by they're parents? not every issue is so cut and dry as "that breed of dog is evil" generalizing an entire group on the actions of a relatively small small percent of the population is - simply put, racism.


Should pit bulls be banned? no, should the pet shop sell one to a guy with a history of violence? no. how about better laws when it comes to the sale and owning of animals?

[scottymoney]

And...... back to talking about bowling!!!!!

How about that foundation frame?

[ecub]

Maybe this will help you convince about Pitbulls...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGKtby43Oc

[noeymc]

Maybe this will help you convince about Pitbulls...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGKtby43Oc

thats my dude

[ghoul31]

If every pit bull owner had Caesar train their dogs, then things would be fine.

But they don't. So the video doesn't mean anything.

[75lockwood]

If every pit bull owner had Caesar train their dogs, then things would be fine.

But they don't. So the video doesn't mean anything.

So you admit it? its not an issue with the dog breed but the owners. (i also like how you ignored my post)

[ecub]

Ceasar is a also people trainer. He helps people understand dogs. Some people can be vicious too. If a person grew up in a rough neighborhood and only knows to fight, then you can easily set him off. If you look at these people the wrong way, you're either going to get an attitude or get punched or worse. Do ALL people act like that? You need to train these people as well. Just like dogs, depending on how they were raised/trained, they can be either good or require training.

I've owned several dogs for over 30 years. I have been bitten by a dog, when I was a child too, but it didn't phase me. All my dogs had different personalities. My first dog was playful, but if you stared at his eyes, he will bite your nose off. Another dog was so friendly, kids could pull on her tail and she wouldn't do anything. You could stare at her eyes or breathe on her face and she would just look at you funny. The dog I have now is just a little more difficult. I got her from someone who couldn't take care of her anymore. She had 3 teens with one having schizophrenia. She was very nervous. I rough house with my dogs. Everytime I would raise my hand to grab her, she would flinch, as if she got hit before. She has not gotten over that and now understands a raised hand means nothing. She just has a problem with strangers, but I know it's also her breed, American Eskimo. They are very protective, so she doesn't take kindly to strangers. Even those she met several times already. Unlike my previous dogs, which were also American Eskmos (aka Eskie), they were fine with strangers.

[ghoul31]

"So you admit it? its not an issue with the dog breed but the owners. (i also like how you ignored my post) "

Its both. The dogs are violent and dangerous. And most owners aren't prepared to deal with them.

[noeymc]

"So you admit it? its not an issue with the dog breed but the owners. (i also like how you ignored my post) "

Its both. The dogs are violent and dangerous. And most owners aren't prepared to deal with them.

there not born evil like you are implying just raised poorly any big dog can be raised that way

[ecub]

So you admit it? its not an issue with the dog breed but the owners. (i also like how you ignored my post) "

Its both. The dogs are violent and dangerous. And most owners aren't prepared to deal with them.

I'm not sure if that was intended towards me. If it was, I don't see posts intended for me.

I take you that you don't understand animals, especially dogs. Not ALL dogs are violent and dangerous. They ALL have their own personalities, just like people.

Yes, most owners aren't prepared to deal with them. If you allow a child to be rude, swear, hit people, yell at people, and take things that the child wants, then when the child becomes an adult, he/she is going to keep doing it. UNLESS, someone teaches him/her that those things he/she is doing is wrong. Of course, talking to a child is easy. Talking to a dog is difficult. Sure, they understand voice commands, but you need to communicate to the dog as how dogs would communicate with each other.

[maximumslinky]

the arguement to ban pit bulls is the most rediculous thing i have ever heard. that is just like saying "how many more people have to get stabbed before we ban knives?" or "how man people have to get killed by a drunk driver before we ban booze AND cars?" we dont need to ban anything! we need to hold people accountable for their actions. if someone brings their dog up to be mean or trains it to attack and that dog kills someone, that person needs to be charged with man slaughter. "assault rifles are dangerous in the hands of the wrong people", guess what, everything is dangerous in the hands of the wrong people. people have been beaten to death with baseball bats. does that mean we ban americas past time? no! banning pit bulls wont solve anything because something else will hurt someone for you to complain about and think that should be banned too. dont ban anything, just hold people accountable for their actions.

[ghoul31]

You people seem to live under this fantasy that the only pit bulls that attack people are ones that are beaten their whole life and trained to fight.

If you look at the stories of people being killed its usually a normal family where the pit pull just snaps one day and kills someone.

If 75% of all traffic accidents were being caused by one model of car, of course that car would be banned.

[ecub]

Most dogs will attack/snap if provoked or thinks it or it's pack is in danger. It's just Pit Bulls have the strongest bite, among all other dogs. It's also one of the most muscular dogs. So compared to all other dog attacks, pit bulls would, of course, be the worse. Keep in mind, most dogs are very protective of their pack/territory. If someone broke into your house and/or you thought someone was going to harm your or your family, wouldn't you attack them?

Imagine someone broke into Jonah Hill's home and attacked him? Now imagine some broke into Mike Tyson's home and attacked him? Who do you think would cause more physical damage, one who is muscular and built to fight or the other one who just, well, is alive?

Now the media is making it appear that Pit Bulls only attack. They don't show all the good Pit Bulls. It's like the media is showing most terrorists are Muslims. Then should we assume that all Muslims are terrorists?

[ecub]

People, like dogs, have different levels of aggression. Some people can take a punch in the face and will take a stand and face off, while some others will attack and continue attacking you until you are down and bleeding.

People, like dogs, aggression also vary in their mood. If you provoked someone who is already irritated, don't you think that person will probably get physical with you?

Have you ever played with a little child with toys? Have you tried taking it's toys away? Most children will probably try to grab the toy back.

Would you do anything if you saw a stranger walk directly towards you, look into your eyes, and then as he came within arms length, brought his arm towards your face?

[75lockwood]

If 75% of all traffic accidents were being caused by one model of car, of course that car would be banned.

I guess that's the difference between inanimate objects and living things, if 75% of all traffic accidents were caused by one race of people, would be ban said race from getting a driver's license?

[ghoul31]

People aren't the same as animals. we kill and eat animals. We don't kill and eat people.

[J Anderson]

People aren't the same as animals. we kill and eat animals. We don't kill and eat people.

There are documented cases of people eating other people, like the Donner party that was stranded trying to cross the Rockies in winter. There are other examples of primitive tribes that would kill and eat enemy tribe members in a belief that eating their victims would give them power over the enemy tribe.

Given the way that most of us in the U.S. get our meat already butchered, if not already seasoned and cooked, I think that many people would become vegetarians if they had to kill their meat foe themselves.

[ecub]

People aren't the same as animals. we kill and eat animals. We don't kill and eat people.

You are trying to win the argument, by going in a tangent. You should have brought up the issue that animals don't get dressed and go to work to make money.

Going back to your original post. You basically started the thread regarding pit bulls attacking people.

Things to keep in mind....

People AND animals WILL defend if threatened.

People AND animals WILL protect family/pack if threatened.

People AND animals MAY attack when scared. Have you seen videos where a person will look like a scary statue, until someone walks by, then the person will jump and try to scare them.? The people will usually run away scared, BUT there is a chance that someone will attack you. See the attached AFB video starting from 3:39....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBKw_AA1aA


As you can see, majority of the people got scared and backed off, but you get that ONE person who attacked him.

[Gunz1911]

For me and my wife, this is a very sour subject. We own our own pit and a sheperd mix but we have decided from now on we will never buy another type of dog for 2 reasons.

1. Get as many out of the shelters as we can.

2. Change people's mind about the breed.

My wife is about 2 Months from giving birth and I would 100% trust my child with my pit before I trusted a human who thinks a type of animal is to blame for all attacks. I could not watch the other video's posted, but what about all the pits and bully breeds that help save people? You don't see those, because the media will not report them. Just like gun violence, If a 16 year old girl uses a gun to defened herself and her home, she will be lucky to no go to jail, let alone get posotive media attention. My pit is about 65-70 pounds and my shpered is around 120, They are big, look mean and have a big bark. Good for keeping people out of my yard. Though once your in the front door you'll realize that they are the biggest sissies in the word and just want to get attention. Worst my dog has ever done was cut my hand when I was playing tug of war (My fault all the way) and Gave my wife a brusied eye (swear it wasnt me) When she bent down to pick something up as he brought is very hard head up.

And yes, both of my dogs grew up around kids who were TAUGHT how to behave around dogs.

If you hate an animal, because it is a certain breed, then you are just a racist and probably have the same thoughts about humans. I am sure I could go off on the normal "Stereo-types" and be seen as a racist. But I think we are all smart enough to realize those stero-types (This type steals, This type can't drive, This type is illegal, This type likes money, ect. ect.) are really just false ways to put blame on people who don't deserve it.

If you don't like something, are afraid of it, or just plain don't like it, then don't get one. Or better yet, Get one, raise it right, help turn the breed around and maybe overcome your own fears.

Dog Racism needs to be banned! Because I think I should be able to tell other people how to live.

P.S. Billf, I heard that a lot about the dogs brains out growing the skulls and having issues. I did a lot of looking up and found some articles that said things like that and a lot that said other-wise. Unfortunatly I am at work and cannot go to most websites to find those articles. Do you have any current studies that support that? Not saying you are wrong but want to make sure, old steroe-types that arn't spread around if they are actually false.

[hammerhead300]

If 75% of all traffic accidents were being caused by one model of car, of course that car would be banned.

How is that logical? Cars generally don't cause accidents, do they?

I don't understand why so many people want to punish responsible people because irresponsible people do stupid things.

[ghoul31]

When one breed of dogs cause 75% percent of all injuries and fatalities its not racism, its just facts.

If you want to ignore the facts then then thats up to you.

[americantrotter]

The discussion is trolling at this point. There is one poster keeping the thread alive to state the same thing repeatedly. The poster that created the thread is in direct opposition to everyone else who posted. Totally fine to hold to one's views, but the discussion isn't moving anywhere other than the same cycle.

Pits aren't as bad as you're making out (stats, personal stories, articles, videos)

Pits are evil incarnate (same stat)

Rinse and Repeat.

[ghetto24]

it seems that every decade (or so) has their own dogs. german shepards, rottweilers, Dobermans. its just the pits turn.

as im sure all this has been said in this thread. its not the ****ing dog, its the owner!!!