Way to Flippy of a ball,, HELP

[MICHAEL]

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This was one of my Christmas presents! Its a ball I wanted to give a try, having never owned this brand. You can see the layout and balance hole. This ball has a huge flip Right at the End! WAY TOO MUCH TO MY LIKING

So do I need to:

1. have it plugged and redrilled?

2. Can I put surface on the ball to tame the radical flip at the very end. ( my thought being to burn it up some before it gets to the flip stage?

3. change the location of the balance hole? (that would be my choice, but can it tame the beast?)

It is drilled with the Tri-Grip, and would rather not (plug-redrill), but will if that's the only solution.
The ball takes a huge jump just before hitting the pocket!

[bowl1820]

IMO
(what ball was that by the way)

First & simplest choice would be change surface, give it more surface which could smooth out the reaction some.

Next you could move the hole. That looks to be a P2 location now, so you could go to a P1(which is 6 ¾” from the PSA on the VAL) and weaken the reaction some.

third would be a combo of the two.

Last redrill it.

[MICHAEL]

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This was one of my Christmas presents! Its a ball I wanted to give a try, having never owned this brand. You can see the layout and balance hole. This ball has a huge flip Right at the End! WAY TOO MUCH TO MY LIKING

So do I need to:

1. have it plugged and redrilled?

2. Can I put surface on the ball to tame the radical flip at the very end. ( my thought being to burn it up some before it gets to the flip stage?

3. change the location of the balance hole? (that would be my choice, but can it tame the beast?)

It is drilled with the Tri-Grip, and would rather not (plug-redrill), but will if that's the only solution.
The ball takes a huge jump just before hitting the pocket!

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tribal! is the brand! thanks for the advise ...bowl1820,,, what's your name? Since we have known one another on line for some time now, do you mind if I use your first name? LOL You can call me Ice! (:) short and sweet! LOL

[vdubtx]

Sure seems like a candidate for a pin down re-drilling. Of course after you exhaust the options that Bowl so competently offered. :cool:

[The German Shepherd]

Before re-drilling, I would alter the surface first. Try taking the polish off the ball as a primary step. Yes this will make it react sooner but it will help bleed off some energy.

Jay

[bowl1820]

tribal! is the brand! thanks for the advise ...bowl1820,,, what's your name? Since we have known one another on line for some time now, do you mind if I use your first name? LOL You can call me Ice! (:) short and sweet! LOL

A fourth option would be to leave it as is and find the right condition for where it would be useful.

You have several balls already , this would just give you a option in case you run into a condition where the others are not working.

I'm AL

[Ptnomore]

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The ball takes a huge jump just before hitting the pocket!

The Tribal is 2000 Grit Sand / Power Gel Polish OOB.

So, I had the same problem when I purchased my Hammer Jet Black a couple of years ago. I knocked the polish off with 4000 grit and it's much more controllable with same length. I know a couple of guys that took their's down to 2000 with the same result, but I don't have the speed that they do.

If you take it down to 2000, you may want to try moving a tad inside to get into some oil before it hits the dry, to get some length out of it. Also, removing the polish helps it not be so over-under if you get into carry down (bowling with or against straight ball bowlers)

You can do it in steps...hit it with rubbing compound first. If you still need more, take it to 4000, 3000 or 2000.

When you hit it with the 4000 or 3000, don't stay on the ball for too long. You want to keep the deeper scratches from the 2000. All you want to do is knock the polish off, and knock the tops off the surface texture created by the original 2000. Envision the 2000 surface texture lines, with 4000 grit 90 degrees to the 2000, but not to eliminate the texture lines from the 2000. Hopefully I'm making that clearer.

[MICHAEL]

A fourth option would be to leave it as is and find the right condition for where it would be useful.

You have several balls already , this would just give you a option in case you run into a condition where the others are not working.

I'm AL

Yes but most of my balls are pin up (drilled to go long ,, store energy pearl balls), like the Tribal! The Tribal just seems to be The most flippy! Even more so then my Virtual Gravity nano drill almost identical! My IQ pearl is drilled very similar also. Need something different out of this ball...

I only have one ball drilled pin down, my one the DV8. It breaks early, and I only pull it out when the outside is burnt up. Then I move way left, and shoot 15 or 20 board.

I really want to use this WONDERFUL GIFT that my wife gave me for Christmas! I have pulled it out on numerous occasions and it just doesn't fit my style of bowling, on standard THS oil that I bowl on.

GREAT ADVISE from all of you, I will start with the less aggressive stuff first..... Heavy duty cycle in the washing machine with sand paper 4000 grit!

NO,,,, just kidding,,,, thanks guys for the suggestions, My goal is to make this special gift form my wonderful wife WORK!

[MICHAEL]

A fourth option would be to leave it as is and find the right condition for where it would be useful.

You have several balls already , this would just give you a option in case you run into a condition where the others are not working.

I'm AL

YOU had to out do me, (on the short and sweet, Ice,,, 3 letters, Al,,, just 2!!) Thanks Al!!

[Ptnomore]

Let us know how it works out. This ball has been on my radar since it's announcement. It overlaps a few balls that I already have, been none of those are as purty.

I'm also struggling to make my Cruel Intent work for me. I had my driller drill it the same as my old Wicked Siege, because I love that ball and it's movement. I told him to make the Cruel Intent do what the Wicked used to do. And all he did was copy the drill pattern. I'm thinking that wasn't such a good idea. Still hoping/trying though.

[MICHAEL]

You know in my short time bowling, I have noticed that many bowlers seem to have this DRILLING problem! They have their balls laid out to do a HUGE FLIP at the end.

example: I have seen, (what looks like a GREAT SHOT going toward the pocket, only to FLIP in the last Foot or so to the left!) for right hand bowlers.

I see this reaction very often! I then look at the ball they are throwing and one common denominator they ALL seem to have is that they are all pin high, and kicked out usually to the right of ring finger!

As I progress in my bowling knowledge, is this something that most of you think MIGHT JUST BE a mistake! A mistake in asking the driller to give me a HUGE FLIP at the end.

I am beginning to realize that a STRONG FLIP, dose not translate to high scores, but a more controlled drilling might just be a better way to go.

[Perrin]

I see this reaction very often! I then look at the ball they are throwing and one common denominator they ALL seem to have is that they are all pin high, and kicked out usually to the right of ring finger!

part of that is because that is a 'safer' spot for the pro-shop to put the pin to prevent people plaring over the thumb/fingers.
another part is the thing people usually ask for is for the ball to go long and hook hard..... People want that Hockey stick they see the pros throw. :)


I agree with everyone else btw. Start with surface changes. 4000, 2000 if that's not enough etc. (remember though that with 2000 you will need to touch it up every few sessions)

Next woudl be to move the balance hole.. the only difference here though is that I wiould say to move it down the val to try to get it to start up sooner rather than up to a P1 and reducing the drilled dynamics.

I had great luck with a misfit moving my balance hole from P1 to P3 gives me a much different look.

[bowl1820]

I checked in BTM (the last issue) I thought I remembered something about the tribal snapping too hard in it.

When they changed to a different pattern their Tribal wanted to snap too hard at the back end, what they did was lower the finish to a 2000 wet sand which smoothed out the reaction for them.

[Ptnomore]

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I am beginning to realize that a STRONG FLIP, does not translate to high scores, but a more controlled drilling might just be a better way to go.

Yup. Big Flip means "uncontrollable" to us non-Pro dreamers. Only ball I have drilled like that is the Taboo Jet Black. I have 9 balls I think now, and for every one of them, I had a decent conversation with my Pro shop operator about what I was looking to buy, why I was looking at it, and what I expected it do for me and under what circumstances, that my other balls weren't doing already.

Even the ones that I just wanted to try for something different, we talked about the capability of the ball, the conditions for which it was designed, and what the ball could give me, and he drilled it to give me that. I'm not a numbers guy, and to be honest, they don't interest me. I deal with numbers and structures and engineering stuff all day long. When I leave work, I don't want to see or hear it.

The Taboo Jet black was made to go long, and move off the dry. He gave me pin over ring finger to accentuate the length on the shorter patterns that my house was using at the time. Worked perfectly. But its a situational ball. Haven't used in a year or so.

You may have that same situational ball"with your Tribal, and that drilling. Playing with the surface can help open it up and give you more usage. But it will have it's limits. Time and practice with it will help you determine it's "flight envelop". Don't expect it to work well, for conditions that it was never intended.

[RobLV1]

I think that a surface change is the way to go. One of the guys I bowl with in trios uses a Tribal. I don't know what surface he put on it, but it's definitely dull. I would suggest taking it down to 2000, firm for 15 seconds on four sides and try it. It will probably be too early. If it is. Hit it lightly for 10 seconds on four sides using 4000 to "polish" it.

[MICHAEL]

I will give the 2000 a try, and if it breaks too early put some polish on it! I have reata-shine by storm, I believe its 1500 polish, I have some 2500 polish shine, and recently arrived from bowlingball.com my 5000 grit polish!

Which of these would you recommend to go along with the 2000 four side,(on my spinner) finish!

[RobLV1]

I think you misunderstood. Try the 2000 first, and if it's too early, "polish" it with 4000. Don't use any polish. Polish tends to make a ball react more violently to the friction, and that's what you don't want. By flattening the peaks between the grooves on the surface with 4000 abralon, the ball will take on a slight sheen, but will not over-react to friction like it does with a liquid polish.

[MICHAEL]

I think that a surface change is the way to go. One of the guys I bowl with in trios uses a Tribal. I don't know what surface he put on it, but it's definitely dull. I would suggest taking it down to 2000, firm for 15 seconds on four sides and try it. It will probably be too early. If it is. Hit it lightly for 10 seconds on four sides using 4000 to "polish" it.

Eye see said the blind man!! :rolleyes: I will give it a shot, I have a feeling it will break too soon, but will go at this a step at a time. If it does, I will put it on the spinner and lightly for 10 seconds on all four sides, and give it a shot! Thanks... ice

[sprocket]

What I would like to know Mike, is what other bowlers on your team think of your ball reaction. The reaction may be better than you think and just not something you are used to. See if those you trust are on the same page with you on this. Don't trust just your own opinion.

[MICHAEL]

What I would like to know Mike, is what other bowlers on your team think of your ball reaction. The reaction may be better than you think and just not something you are used to. See if those you trust are on the same page with you on this. Don't trust just your own opinion.

Damn sprocket,,,, if,,,IF I can't trust myself,,, who can I trust???? Should I ask Aslan?????

[dnhoffman]

Surprising to hear this since the tribal is supposed to be a couple steps down from the primal rage (same cover, different cores). My primal rage works well in med-heavy oil, and I was considering the tribal for when the lanes burn up a bit.

You probably just have a ridiculous amount of revs compared to me, I like to play straighter on the outside. Now that I think about it, I did have to take my primal rage from 1500/polish to 4000/polish though..

[sprocket]

Damn sprocket,,,, if,,,IF I can't trust myself,,, who can I trust???? Should I ask Aslan?????


Ask any ball driller. People complain all the time that they don't like the reaction of a new ball, then the proshop guy goes out and watches them throw and the reaction is often just fine, just not what the bowler is used to seeing. My new ball looks like it has half the revs I am used to seeing but that's because it is not drilled for early roll and picks up down lane instead. I'm used to seeing my ball look like it has a motor on it so it's weird. I wouldn't touch that ball you have until you have at least one other trusted person watch you throw it and agree that it snaps too hard.

You WANT a variety of ball reactions. What's the point of having a bunch of balls that all look the same on the lane???

[MICHAEL]

most of my balls are all drilled about the same... pin up and over the ring finger. Its time for Ice to move out in other directions, Pin in middle ect ect... I do have that pin down now that is a completely different look going to the pocket. It is the ball I pull out when the out side is burnt up! My Virtual Gravity nanno is drilled in much the same manor as the Tribal, but it doesent' have that radical snap, the last 6 inches or so.

I like the ball a lot, its not my imagination, I have seen many MANY other bowlers that with certain balls, have that same VERY LATE, Snap! ((( I am talking inches before it hits the pocket))). My Nano drilled very similar, has a nice snap at the end, and very EVEN,,,, EVEN might be the word I am looking for here.

My tribal goes throw its hook faze, then this little extra just before impact!! It looks like a LATE kick on the side of the ball just before impact.

I have 15 balls, and its not like I haven't see a lot of different looks. This one is very unique! I just took the surface down to 2000, lightly 20 seconds... getting ready to take it to the lanes, lets see how this works out. Maybe it will tame the beast!!!

[Tinyfxds]

I love my tribal. It's a great ball but I've seen some pretty good back end reactions from guys who have lots of rev. It's got a great cover stock and weaker core so it should hook less than the primal rage. However, in some cases that might only mean moving 2-3 boards depending on the lane conditions. The guys who were having problems with their reactions altered the surface to achieve the desired ball motion. Hope you find a surface that works.

[MICHAEL]

Let us know how it works out. This ball has been on my radar since it's announcement. It overlaps a few balls that I already have, been none of those are as purty.

I'm also struggling to make my Cruel Intent work for me. I had my driller drill it the same as my old Wicked Siege, because I love that ball and it's movement. I told him to make the Cruel Intent do what the Wicked used to do. And all he did was copy the drill pattern. I'm thinking that wasn't such a good idea. Still hoping/trying though.

going to 2000, well it did take the snap out of the ball a bunch... don't really like the look I may do the 4000 lightly on all four sides for 20 seconds or so..... will get back after I check the balls response.

I think maybe tuning in a ball might be a lot like getting married! It takes a while to get that ball to do what you want, but when you do, its sweet!!