Ever stop and think what really causes a ringing 10 pin?

[kakcpa]

http://youtu.be/i4EKElB5VHY

[MICHAEL]

I have never seen that particular slow motion view! Explains a lot in regards to that TRAGIC LEAVE..... Would be nice to see and hear some solutions to this!

Some times its the angle, sometimes it might be ball defection, ect ect.... Ball to heavy, too light, too aggressive of a ball, not aggressive ,,, Move up, back, Left right! ball speed so many approaches what works for you!!

[kakcpa]

I think it all comes down to angle into the pocket, and how much energy left in the ball. Sometimes, the ball rolls out right before it enters the pocket, and if you get just a little deflection....then you have this or a weak 10.

[bowl1820]

I have never seen that particular slow motion view! Explains a lot in regards to that TRAGIC LEAVE..... Would be nice to see and hear some solutions to this!

Here's a thread about it. (Be warned most of the thread has little to do with the subject)

click here for Flat-10-vs-Ring-10 (http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/16139-Flat-10-vs-Ring-10)

[Mike White]

Here's a thread about it. (Be warned most of the thread has little to do with the subject)

click here for Flat-10-vs-Ring-10 (http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/16139-Flat-10-vs-Ring-10)

If you notice, my description in the thread, and what you see in the video match exactly, depending on how you interpret "up and around". The video was more "around"


Based on the video, is there any way you can agree with Rob's comment about the ball coming in behind the head pin? I didn't think so.


The hardest part of 10 pins, is there is an range of deflection, less than the weak 10, but more than the ringing 10, that has the 6 pin bounce off the wall into the 10 pin.

If you're carrying that shot, throwing the ball a little worse results in a 10 pin, while at the same time throwing the ball a little better also results in a 10 pin.

[bowl1820]

Based on the video, is there any way you can agree with Rob's comment about the ball coming in behind the head pin? I didn't think so.


I'm not commenting on which of you is right.

Since it has been suggested a lot here are beginners, I go with the simple.

My thought on the ten is if your throwing a basically good shot and start popping the corner.

Don't worry about nitpicking whether it's flat or a ringing ten, most average bowlers won't notice which one it was in the first place .

You got about two choices to make on what to do about it, you either stay where you are and hope the shot comes around

or you make a change.

Either move left or right, move back, slow your speed or change balls and see if it helps.

[MICHAEL]

I have only been bowling 3 years, so no expert like Aslan, and Mike White! But I only know the suggestions that Al, made are the best solutions in my book! I can think of no other options that work better. A ball change with a different look into the pocket might, and has made a difference for me.

BUT if the ball is leaving 10 pins and you do nothing, you might have a situation like I had 2 years ago. I KID YOU NOT 9, 10 pin leaves in a role!!!

I remember the guys that were giving me advice said, Keep Everything the same,,, the oil will change, and your ball will start to carry.

NOT!!! Didn't happen.

I think Al, pretty much said like it is! You have many options, choose the one that works BEST FOR YOUR STYLE or bowling.

[larry mc]

i left about 9 tens today and my ball has little deflection , so i guess its not a ringing ten , i moved left , right up , back , changed balls and nothing worked , sometimes the bowling gods just arent smiling on me lol

[tr33frog]

i left about 9 tens today and my ball has little deflection , so i guess its not a ringing ten , i moved left , right up , back , changed balls and nothing worked , sometimes the bowling gods just arent smiling on me lol

That is the most frustrating. It seems that the finish angle is th same no matter where you move.

[Mike White]

That is the most frustrating. It seems that the finish angle is th same no matter where you move.

Thats when you know you're on lanes that are too "easy".

Maybe not easy for you, but for the lucky soul who's ball happens hit the pocket correctly that night, it's dead easy.

For you, your moves make no difference. For the other guy, his errors make no difference.

[Mike White]

BUT if the ball is leaving 10 pins and you do nothing, you might have a situation like I had 2 years ago. I KID YOU NOT 9, 10 pin leaves in a role!!!

Which part were you playing?

Did you get top billing?

[Mudpuppy]

Ever stop to think............................................. ..................................and forget to start again?

[swingset]

There's only one uniform rule about 10 pin leaves - you hit the 3 wrong.

Only thing that can possibly leave a 10 is the angle that the 3 hits the 6 - and that is strictly and uniformly caused by WHERE the ball hits the 3 (pocket).

That's why movement and ball change and all kinds of recipes change the outcome...but don't necessarily explain WHY the 10 is still standing there.

Losing energy, poor angle, too much energy, deflection coming in, too little deflection - they all matter, but it all changes for the better when you hit the 3 in the right place.

I know people will argue me on this, but the video shows it. Weak pocket hit wouldn't have tripped the 6 around the pin, if the angle of entry had been different - in order cancel out the weak roll. Or, a stronger roll wouldn't have deflected right on the headpin and thus would have changed the hit to the 3-6.

Hit the pocket in the right place, even with a 6lb house ball, and the 3 trips the 6 into the 10. Every time.

I hate over simplifications, or recipes to change the 10 pin leaves that presumes everyone is hitting in the exact same spot. The pocket is actually pretty wide, and no matter what you're doing there is an optimal angle for YOUR ball to hit it....whether you're Belmo or 82 year old Marge Hegstrom throwing a 9lb'er.

Hit it right, and the 3 goes into the 6 and hits the 10.

[Mudpuppy]

There's only one uniform rule about 10 pin leaves - you hit the 3 wrong.

Only thing that can possibly leave a 10 is the angle that the 3 hits the 6 - and that is strictly and uniformly caused by WHERE the ball hits the 3 (pocket).

That's why movement and ball change and all kinds of recipes change the outcome...but don't necessarily explain WHY the 10 is still standing there.

Losing energy, poor angle, too much energy, deflection coming in, too little deflection - they all matter, but it all changes for the better when you hit the 3 in the right place.

I know people will argue me on this, but the video shows it. Weak pocket hit wouldn't have tripped the 6 around the pin, if the angle of entry had been different - in order cancel out the weak roll. Or, a stronger roll wouldn't have deflected right on the headpin and thus would have changed the hit to the 3-6.

Hit the pocket in the right place, even with a 6lb house ball, and the 3 trips the 6 into the 10. Every time.

I hate over simplifications, or recipes to change the 10 pin leaves that presumes everyone is hitting in the exact same spot. The pocket is actually pretty wide, and no matter what you're doing there is an optimal angle for YOUR ball to hit it....whether you're Belmo or 82 year old Marge Hegstrom throwing a 9lb'er.

Hit it right, and the 3 goes into the 6 and hits the 10.

I agree 1,000%. I leave very few 7 pins being left handed. Why? Because when I do I immediately change something - move up, move right, move left and/or change the speed or my mark slightly. Any of those work 99% of the time. I watched a guy last night leave the 7-10 not 1, not 2, but 3 times in a row. I am screaming in my head - move, change something, but quit throwing the same way it was painful to watch. Especially twice I had grabbed my ball to towel it off and had to set it down to wait for him to finish. I am not super superstitious about throwing my ball when someone gets a split but the 7-10 is one I will not throw against. Maybe not superstition but it does distract me.