1st Annual BowlingBoards.com Virtual Tour!!!

[zdawg]

Aslan and all,

Will you accept pictures of my scores? Just finished bowling my 4 games and while they are nothing to write home about, they do not provide print outs.

Good question, I don't know if my center provides print outs either. I think we should allow pictures especially in the case that an alley doesn't provide print outs

[Mike White]

Aslan and all,

Will you accept pictures of my scores? Just finished bowling my 4 games and while they are nothing to write home about, they do not provide print outs.

What? The great and powerful random number generator sent you to a place that can't print?

I guess we have to rely on that honor thingy.

[Aslan]

mike i gotta disagree it will test your ability to find a line on any lane condition
In Mike's world, all bowlers bowl on conditions they find ideal to their technique and any time someone "struggles", it's because someone obviously didn't maintain the lanes in the proper way.

Odd…but if you watch the actual VIDEO of the tournament I CHAMPIONED….you'll see a couple shots where Mike throws his ball almost directly in the gutter. Now, if it were me…I'd say poor release, didn't get my shoulders parallel. However, I'm sure Mike's explanation is that the lane wasn't level, they have magnets in their gutters, and he was distracted by casual bowlers in his peripheral.


Aslan and all,

Will you accept pictures of my scores? Just finished bowling my 4 games and while they are nothing to write home about, they do not provide print outs.

Yes. Actually, those are just as good as printouts.

[Aslan]

All-

As of today, I don't have scores for:

- tr33frog
- Bunny
- vdubtx
- JAnderson
- noeymc
- Mudpuppy
- Stormed1
- ZDawg
- JDilly

If anyone above HAS bowled and sent me scores, please let me know when and how you sent them so I can try to locate them.

Not sure, but we may have lost Bunny. Supposedly she bowled with MikeW last weekend but I only got his scores and not her's. And I've tried to reach her via PM and e-mail without much luck. Hopefully she's just busy or maybe on vacation or something.

For everyone else, you got 5 days….so please keep that in mind.

[classygranny]

I know April isn't even over, but - do you have any idea when you might have alley assignments for May. Even though I probably can't bowl until after the 15th, my schedule is filling fast. Would be nice to coordinate bowling with appointments in the same part of town. Sorry, but May is short for me...lots of work, bowling pot-lucks, bowling meetings and oh, yes...the long, overdue VACATION!

[noeymc]

yea not much see unless you like depression in ohio lol and i dont think it will be apart of it lol hey i need to know if i can bowl next month on the 2nd sadly ive been working 12-16 hours past two weeks including weekends i was late to bowling league last week prob will be again tomorrow

aslan need to know about this one

[Mike White]

In Mike's world, all bowlers bowl on conditions they find ideal to their technique and any time someone "struggles", it's because someone obviously didn't maintain the lanes in the proper way.

I understand you lack experience and ability.


Odd…but if you watch the actual VIDEO of the tournament I CHAMPIONED….you'll see a couple shots where Mike throws his ball almost directly in the gutter.

Lets recap, 1st ball of the competition I sent out expecting to find friction. In the 3 shots I had made in practice on that lane, I hadn't found friction outside, but I hadn't thrown the ball out past the 5 board. Knowing that the lanes had just been oiled, it was a reasonable assumption that there would be some friction out there. I was wrong, there was ZERO friction. Notice on the 2nd shot of the 1st frame, I threw the ball straight up 10, and it stayed on the 10 board all the way down missing the head pin. Again, ZERO friction.

You wouldn't notice such things because you don't take advantage of friction, which explains why your average is as low as it is.

The only other ball I had go into the gutter was a shot at a 7 pin, and it would be an extreme stretch to call that "almost directly"

You however threw countless balls into the gutter. When shooting at a full rack, and not hitting the 1, 2, or 3 pin is just about as bad as throwing it in the gutter. How many times did you manage that feat?


When you want handicap, the conditions you compete under should match the conditions under which the handicap is based on.

Lets take a different example to highlight the problem of "further leveling the playing field"

Instead of bowling, we go target shooting. You have the ability to group all your shots at 100 yards, in a 2.5" diameter circle, while I can only manage to keep my shots in a 5" diameter circle.

We go to the local range, that has 2" diameter targets at 100 yards. You manage to hit the target 64 times, while I manage to hit the target 16 times.

We decide to level the playing field by you giving me handicap. We agree that 43 shots is reasonable (64 - 16) * 0.9 = 43.

To further level the playing field, we go across town to a different range. It happens to use 1" diameter targets.

You score 16 hits, while I score 4 hits. Due to my handicap of 43 shots, I win 47 vs 16.

You claim the targets were too small to be fair, so the next time we go to yet another range.

This place has 4" diameter targets. You feel confident because you know you're going to score 100. And you do, but I score 64 hits.

My 64 hits, plus my 43 handicap nets me a score of 107, again giving me the win.

The more you level the field without adjusting the handicap accordingly, the less skill has to do with the results.

[Mike White]

or you should have ball'd down and playd on the 2 board ? i wasnt there so i cant tell but i never bowled on a shot where i couldn't strike even on sport shots

You're listed as a 161 average, thats plenty evidence that you've bowled on a shot where you can't strike.

[noeymc]

You're listed as a 161 average, thats plenty evidence that you've bowled on a shot where you can't strike.

last year was my first year back... and it was on a what was known around here as a very tough house shot did i strike every ball no but i avged 4-5 a game spares killed me mostly

[vdubtx]

You're listed as a 161 average, thats plenty evidence that you've bowled on a shot where you can't strike.

SMH... What's your excuse for not striking consitantly? Oh yeah, it's always the lanes fault not yours right? With all that knowledge and accessibility to equipment, you should be a 240 average house bowler Mike.

http://www.rottenecards.com/ecards/Rottenecards_18589940_z7wnp26d7c.png

[vdubtx]

Submitted my scores to Aslan's email. :cool:

[Mike White]

SMH... What's your excuse for not striking consitantly? Oh yeah, it's always the lanes fault not yours right? With all that knowledge and accessibility to equipment, you should be a 240 average house bowler Mike.

Yeah I have access to any kind of ball, and yes I can get them at wholesale prices,
but 1) I still have to pay for them, and 2) my "A" game is not compatible with reactive resin.

I started back in June of 2012 after about 20 years away.

1st thing I bought was a 15# White Dot to work on spare shooting.

I used that in a small summer league and was averaging about 215 when I hurt the muscles around my elbow.

Sometimes after 20 years away, muscle memory can get things wrong.

I tried to find an alternate way of throwing the ball to complete the league but my average dropped like a lead balloon.

I went from very rev dominate to very speed dominate.

It took until mid January of 2014 before I felt it was healthy enough to throw the ball the way that works.

Feb 2nd I shot 300 with a urethane ball, and by Feb 14th it was hurt again.

I dropped the weight of the ball to 14 to avoid injury beginning in April.

I've been able to throw the ball again, and my scores have improved.

My best option has been to throw high revs, with either urethane, or plastic.

So I've had about 3 months total of healthy in the last 2 years.

Not a lot of time to work out the kinks from 20 years of not bowling.

[Aslan]

I know April isn't even over, but - do you have any idea when you might have alley assignments for May. Just as soon as everyone is done bowling in April. I was hoping by the end of this weekend…but thus far have 50%. I was pretty sure everyone would wait until the last minute….I hate being right all the time.


aslan need to know about this one
My ruling is "no" due to the fact that it violates the rule, you have a half a month to schedule it but didn't, and it delays May by 2 days.

However, if you can get Mudpuppy AND ZDawg to agree to the delay…consider me over-ruled.

[Aslan]

Well…I have no idea what Mike is rambling about…but apparently it's because I'm just not a good enough bowler "yet" to figure out all that high end jargon. But…someday.

Back to reality…


I will create a "Virtual Tour Scores/Standings Thread" to start listing scores as they come in and the standings. Still missing 50% of the scores at this point, but whatever.

[vdubtx]

Well…I have no idea what Mike is rambling about…but apparently it's because I'm just not a good enough bowler "yet" to figure out all that high end jargon. But…someday.

Back to reality…


I will create a "Virtual Tour Scores/Standings Thread" to start listing scores as they come in and the standings. Still missing 50% of the scores at this point, but whatever.

Aslan, need to check handicap amounts per game for the bowlers. I am somehow getting 22 pins handicap per game when I should only be getting 4 per game, per the 90% of 220.

[Mudpuppy]

SMH... What's your excuse for not striking consitantly? Oh yeah, it's always the lanes fault not yours right? With all that knowledge and accessibility to equipment, you should be a 240 average house bowler Mike.

http://www.rottenecards.com/ecards/Rottenecards_18589940_z7wnp26d7c.png

I agree - lots of smoke and no fire. I have a headache. Just bowl. Have fun. Whatever you score you score. Man oh man. I think the percentages were way off on that issue sheet - should be 99.9999999% for MWhite. Should we buy a hyperbaric chamber for him to sleep in, have the head of the USBC inspect every single pin and the THS oil pattern, make sure the day is perfect temperature, humidity and barometric pressure and then, and only then will the great Mike be able to bowl. That's my cliff notes of all the chatter.

[Mudpuppy]

Brief summary of my experience - full report to follow I am just about 300 emails deep at work and I have 3 meetings today. Just wanted to submit a brief overview.

Yesterday around 12:00pm I headed out to Parkway / 10 Pins of Trenton. The place is listed as 10 Pins of Trenton but the sign out front and on the lanes is still Parkway. Anyways it was about a 45 minute drive. My son, who is 7 almost 8, went with me as he enjoys bowling as well and it gives me a chance to spend time with him and give him some tips on bowling. He is coming along. My first rule with him is BUMPERS ARE FOR BABIES - NO BUMPERS. So any score by him is a pure score and not based on manipulation of the bumpers like a pool shot. So anyways it was a cool / cloudy day (around 40-45 degrees) so really was a good day to bowl inside - wasn't like I was headed to the beach. Drove to Trenton to find a pretty outdated looking building (note rust on the sign in the picture). Went inside and the lanes themselves were in good condition as was the ball returns, etc. Did a dutch doubles game with my son for my warm up game. I threw the first strike and then after that I picked up (or attempted to) his spares. That was more than enough for me for warm up. The center, at the time I was there, was being run by a young 20s kid - he said he could not print out the scoresheet. So I took pictures of the screen after each game and video. We left my house at 12:00pm with the intention of eating at the bowling alley and their sign (as pictured) said "Open Daily for Lunch" - well yes if you want lunch at 2pm because that is when the grill opened and we were about wrapped up by then. Definitely not in my top 1,000 bowling centers to bowl at - just a notch above Lucky Strike and not by much - only because it is more of a pure bowling center than the ridiculous gourmet lanes called Lucky Strike. Full report and 3-5 minute video to follow. Scores are submitted to Aslan. I did a live twitter feed during my experience as well which included the picture below.

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o348/mudpuppyr6/VBTApril2014ParkwayLanesTrentonMI.jpg (http://s340.photobucket.com/user/mudpuppyr6/media/VBTApril2014ParkwayLanesTrentonMI.jpg.html)

[Bunny]

Submitted my scores. :)

Yeah, the conditions were less than ideal. You could see that people had crossed the foul line and had been on the lane doing snow angels or some s**t from cosmic bowling the night before. Approaches were sticky to say the least.

Mostly it was my spare shooting went south for the first and second games. Which is obviously bad when you're not striking! (We bowled Saturday night and my spare shooting was spot on.:confused:)

For the last game I moved inside, tightened up my line, added a bit of loft and scored better.

[Aslan]

Aslan, need to check handicap amounts per game for the bowlers. I am somehow getting 22 pins handicap per game when I should only be getting 4 per game, per the 90% of 220.

195 average. 220-195 = 25. 25 * 0.90 = 22.5. Rounded down to 22. Is that not correct?



Yeah, the conditions were less than ideal.

I agree. You, Mike, and I all bowled at the same center and it looks like we all struggled. I won't go into detail until tr33frog gets around to posting his scores...but I had a similar experience as you. My spare shooting is always a little off when I bowl in a new center. Probably (as some might point out) because I don't use a straight plastic ball...thus my spare shooting is affected a little bit by lane conditions.

In addition, I couldn't figure out how to play those lanes. If I tried to elevate speed...I'd hit way right. If I tried to slow things down...it would hit a dry area and grab like nobody's business and I'd miss way left.

For me, the key is hitting the headpin. If I can knock down 9, usually my spare shooting will be at AT LEAST 50% and maybe closer to 80%. But when you can't consistently hit the headpin...not only are you not striking, but you're left with spares that are far more tricky to pick up. In game 2 I was fortunate to pick up a lot more of those multi-pin spares...but that was offset by my inability to strike in game 2.

I know nobody wants to admit it...but the random bowling center idea seems to really be working well. So far, with the exception of the OK twins...scores seem to be a little lower than what we'd see if we just reported league scores. And as I hypothesized...the ADVANTAGE of our higher average bowlers like MWhite and vdub is their ability to adapt more quickly. Vdub started out badly... by game 2 was dialed in with a strong game and then by game 3 threw a 257!

So my contention to MWhite's criticism that this format completely takes skill out of the equation is that it absolutely DOES NOT. What it DOES...is it makes the more skilled bowlers PROVE they are more skilled...rather than perhaps rely on simply familiarity with their house conditions. The better bowlers will STILL have the edge...but this makes them WORK FOR IT...and doesn't just hand them a trophy for their 25-35 years of experience.

I need to figure out how to adjust faster. How to move inside faster. Even in my league...it seems like by the time I realize the outside (boards 6-9) isn't working...and move into the 2nd arrow (boards 12-14)....the 2nd arrow area is already burned up....and by the time I learn that...the series is over. This is why in "practice", I score in the 140s-190s...2, 4, 6, 9 games.....then when I'm finishing up...and I move inside...start playing more towards the center arrow....suddenly I'll hit a 190-230s range. So why not go there earlier?? Because if I go there too early, without an assymetric "big hook" type of ball in my arsenal...I can't get it to make that turn. And I'll waste 3 frames...usually with disasterous washouts...just to confirm what I already know.

[vdubtx]

195 average. 220-195 = 25. 25 * 0.90 = 22.5. Rounded down to 22. Is that not correct?


Nope. I posted in other thread about it too. But, feel free to keep me at 195.

[Aslan]

Nope. I posted in other thread about it too. But, feel free to keep me at 195.

Nope. It's been fixed. I also updated mine from 146 to 156. All the other averages seem to be correct.

[noeymc]

i need the people who have the power to vote to vote on this for me

alsan vote is no

but due to work i wont be able to make it up there any sooner then friday and even then it would be friday night so my question is is it ok if i bowl on may 2nd anderson i think your vote counts in this due to me bowling you not sure tho

thanks

[Mudpuppy]

I vote yes for a 1 time exception in an effort to get this off the ground just like I voted yes on allowing MWhite's scores to be valid for a 1 time exception for bowling at a different center. It's only 2 days and I myself found it difficult to find time in April - had I not bowled yesterday in a very small window I had then I would not have got the 3 games done in April. It seems like 15 days is a lot but it's not. May should be a different story for everyone as we have the full month.

[zdawg]

I vote yes for a 1 time exception in an effort to get this off the ground just like I voted yes on allowing MWhite's scores to be valid for a 1 time exception for bowling at a different center.

I'll vote yes, however to be fair that should mean that anybody who has yet to bowl should have until Friday evening to bowl and send their scores over to Aslan, and again stress that this is just a 1 time exception due to this being the first month and we're still ironing out the kinks.

[Mike White]

So my contention to MWhite's criticism that this format completely takes skill out of the equation is that it absolutely DOES NOT. What it DOES...is it makes the more skilled bowlers PROVE they are more skilled...rather than perhaps rely on simply familiarity with their house conditions. The better bowlers will STILL have the edge...but this makes them WORK FOR IT...and doesn't just hand them a trophy for their 25-35 years of experience.


Ok, the most important skill is not the bowling, but selecting a time where the lanes haven't been trashed.

Without that skill, the actual bowling skills are wasted.

I'm going to schedule my future VT bowling to start just after the morning leagues complete, so there is a chance of getting some clean back ends.

[Mike White]

Nope. It's been fixed. I also updated mine from 146 to 156. All the other averages seem to be correct.

You still have mine listed as 193. My composite is 192. Bowl.com calculated it for you, but somehow your invented method came to a different conclusion.

The difference wouldn't matter at this point, if you hadn't also invented a method for calculating future averages that include the first average calculation you invented.

[Mudpuppy]

i need the people who have the power to vote to vote on this for me

alsan vote is no

but due to work i wont be able to make it up there any sooner then friday and even then it would be friday night so my question is is it ok if i bowl on may 2nd anderson i think your vote counts in this due to me bowling you not sure tho

thanks

The vote is yes - 3 to 1. Aslan - no. Obviously you are yes. Me - yes. Zdawg - yes. And with the exception everyone has until Friday to bowl if they haven't already.

[Aslan]

You still have mine listed as 193. My composite is 192. Bowl.com calculated it for you, but somehow your invented method came to a different conclusion.

The difference wouldn't matter at this point, if you hadn't also invented a method for calculating future averages that include the first average calculation you invented.

I'll fix it. It's just a rounding error. Your average is 192.55 so in my spreadsheet it showed up as 193. I now need to go back in and change everyone's averages by whatever 1 pin they may have gotten added. But I'll do ti right now and then this should finally be over.

Realize, you can't necessarily use what is on Bowl.com presently because it has changed since we set averages. I know my average is up there now and wasn't before. But, I will go change things again to account for rounding.


The vote is yes - 3 to 1. Aslan - no. Obviously you are yes. Me - yes. Zdawg - yes. And with the exception everyone has until Friday to bowl if they haven't already.
Everyone is good until Midnight EST Friday night/Saturday morning. But that is a HARD deadline. It's not fair to make everyone else wait...especially when we've known about the need to bowl 3 games since before mid-April.

[Mike White]

I'll fix it. It's just a rounding error. Your average is 192.55 so in my spreadsheet it showed up as 193. I now need to go back in and change everyone's averages by whatever 1 pin they may have gotten added. But I'll do ti right now and then this should finally be over.

Yes, I know what the problem is/was, I told you what it was back on the 13th, and showed you the USBC rule back on the 16th.


Realize, you can't necessarily use what is on Bowl.com presently because it has changed since we set averages. I know my average is up there now and wasn't before. But, I will go change things again to account for rounding.

Which is fortunate for you since you wouldn't have used your unsanctioned average if bowl.com had your 165 average listed.


Everyone is good until Midnight EST Friday night/Saturday morning. But that is a HARD deadline. It's not fair to make everyone else wait...especially when we've known about the need to bowl 3 games since before mid-April.

You don't have to wait for Aprils scores to be delivered to create May's locations / pairings.

Unless you think there are dropouts, the two things are completely independent.

[Aslan]

Yes, I know what the problem is/was, I told you what it was back on the 13th, and showed you the USBC rule back on the 16th.
Yes. And I thought I fixed it. But apparently I fixed it with the handcap and not the averages. Which, as you pointed out, doesn't matter "much"...but since we are using those starting averages in furture calculations; better to get it right. And it has been fixed.


Which is fortunate for you since you wouldn't have used your unsanctioned average if bowl.com had your 165 average listed.
Yes. That is fortunate for me. But also "fair". I mean, Bunny's average is solely calculated from that league...and Bunny easily outbowled me. So for her to have an average that is 20 pins lower than mine...doesn't make much sense.

As I tried to explain back in the Invitational days (that I am the Champion of by the way...in case ya forgot...I'll keep reminding you)...I average in the 150s on synthetic lanes. 99.95% of lanes are synthetic. Yet, I have to use my sanctioned average of 165...that was established on wood lanes. So, for the invitational and for the USBC tournament I bowled in...I took it on the chin and just bowled really well despite my average disadvantage. But again, on the SAME lanes...SAME league...Bunny averaged 10 pins higher than me...so to say I have an average 9 pins higher than her and that is somehow "unfair" and I should have an average 20 pins higher...absurd.

Also why I probably will never bowl in another unsanctioned league...becuase whats the point? Had that league been sanctioned, I may have won the USBC tournament I bowled in this year. But oh well. Live and learn. But yeah, I can't control how long it takes for averages to show up...so we just went with it and what was there was there.




You don't have to wait for Aprils scores to be delivered to create May's locations / pairings.

Unless you think there are dropouts, the two things are completely independent.

True. I was just planning on getting everything in before taking that step...so everyone knows where they stand, how they faired last month, etc... But you're right, I can probably put together May pairings and center assignments...maybe Wednesday. I can't tonight...but I'll try on Wednesday. Gives me more time to arrange with YOU or Bunny to try and get a physical pairing together.

[tccstudent]

You don't have to wait for Aprils scores to be delivered to create May's locations / pairings.

Unless you think there are dropouts, the two things are completely independent.



True. I was just planning on getting everything in before taking that step...so everyone knows where they stand, how they faired last month, etc... But you're right, I can probably put together May pairings and center assignments...maybe Wednesday. I can't tonight...but I'll try on Wednesday. Gives me more time to arrange with YOU or Bunny to try and get a physical pairing together.

Me and Jerall need to do our May early in the month due to Tournaments in the later weekends of the month. We will probably need to do it this weekend. Since next weekend I know he is busy and the week after that I will be in Springfield Mo for a tourney and he will be in Shawnee OK of a tourney.

[Mudpuppy]

Me and Jerall need to do our May early in the month due to Tournaments in the later weekends of the month. We will probably need to do it this weekend. Since next weekend I know he is busy and the week after that I will be in Springfield Mo for a tourney and he will be in Shawnee OK of a tourney.

Aslan do their pairings / assignments first.

Aren't we do the pick 6 lanes version for May 2014?

[Aslan]

Me and Jerall need to do our May early in the month due to Tournaments in the later weekends of the month. We will probably need to do it this weekend. Since next weekend I know he is busy and the week after that I will be in Springfield Mo for a tourney and he will be in Shawnee OK of a tourney.

Okay. I'll try to do at least your pairing/assignement Wednesday night.

Mudpuppy- It's still a random center assignement...but it's now a much smaller list of centers (6).

[Mike White]

True. I was just planning on getting everything in before taking that step...so everyone knows where they stand, how they faired last month, etc... But you're right, I can probably put together May pairings and center assignments...maybe Wednesday. I can't tonight...but I'll try on Wednesday. Gives me more time to arrange with YOU or Bunny to try and get a physical pairing together.

You should just make an unbiased random pick from the short list of locations. Don't try and finesse the result for pairings.

I'm probably going to bowl during hours most people are at work, so I will most likely be bowling alone.

[Mudpuppy]

Okay. I'll try to do at least your pairing/assignement Wednesday night.

Mudpuppy- It's still a random center assignement...but it's now a much smaller list of centers (6).

10-4.

I am going to try and do the same - bowl during off peak hours. Of course with summer coming all hours are off peak around here. Not too many people bowl in the summer.

[Aslan]

You should just make an unbiased random pick from the short list of locations. Don't try and finesse the result for pairings.

I'm probably going to bowl during hours most people are at work, so I will most likely be bowling alone.

"arrange" was in terms of arranging to meet up...not "arranging the locations". The centers are picked randomly, regardless of pairings.

And this month you'll either draw me or ZDawg for physical pairings. If it's ZDawg, you won't be within 45 miles of any of his centers...so bowl whenever ya want. But, per the rules, if you draw me...physical pairing is a requirement. Unless Mudpuppy/noeymc/ZDawg grant you a "hermit waiver". That being said, I am pretty flexible with my work hours and could probably work something out to help avoid weekends if thats your aim.

[Aslan]

And this month you'll either draw me or ZDawg for physical pairings. If it's ZDawg, you won't be within 45 miles of any of his centers...so bowl whenever ya want. But, per the rules, if you draw me...physical pairing is a requirement. Unless Mudpuppy/noeymc/ZDawg grant you a "hermit waiver". That being said, I am pretty flexible with my work hours and could probably work something out to help avoid weekends if thats your aim.

Clarification: I forgot I added the rule:
- IF you get centers drawn NOT on each other's lists....then physical pairing is optional.

So, since Mike did pick primarily centers that were NOT on my list...the only way we'd HAVE TO bowl against each other physically is if one of us draws Arlington (assuming we get paired). So, just to be clear...yes, you'll (Mike) be able to bowl whatever hour of the day you want with no physical constraints of having to bowl with someone "unless" you draw me and at least one of us draws Arlington.

Bunny and I (if we are paired) are more LIKELY to have the physical bowling constraint because I believe we both have TWO of our 6 centers the same (Fountain and Concourse).

But remember...we do have the OPTION...to bowl at the house drawn by our physical pairing partner. So if I draw AMF Carter and Bunny draws Forest Lanes...even though Carter isn't on her list and Forest isn't on mine...she could say, "Hey, I'll bowl with you at Carter." or I could say "I'm gonna be near Forest Lanes for a whole week this month, I'll bowl with you there."

[Aslan]

Okay, so we've extended the deadline to Friday for people to finish up bowling.

I am still missing scores for;
- tr33frog
- noeymc
- Stormed1
- J-Dilly

I am also missing centers (selection of 6) from all those folks and JAnderson.

[noeymc]

hey question incase this happens my phone camera isnt the best ill take pics just incase but i cant promise you will see if they dont do print outs

[Mudpuppy]

hey question incase this happens my phone camera isnt the best ill take pics just incase but i cant promise you will see if they dont do print outs

Just get as close as you can and like a critical bowling shot breath in and take the shot as you exhale, lol

[Mike White]

So, just to be clear...yes, you'll (Mike) be able to bowl whatever hour of the day you want with no physical constraints of having to bowl with someone "unless" you draw me and at least one of us draws Arlington.


This is far from being "clear".

If for example, I draw Foothill, and you draw Arlington, we have to bowl together?

That doesn't seem to make much sense.

If I have to bowl at Arlington, I'm most likely going to do so on a Tuesday, or Thursday at about 3 pm.

Your rules have made selection of day and time a significant skill in this competition.

[noeymc]

i called seven hill lanes in seven hills ohio no open bowling around 7 i am going to call rebmans and bz and buckeye and find somewhere to bowl tonight all 3 of these houses have 40-50 lanes so i should be able to find somewhere!


edit:

sent you the scores to your email warm game 172 g1 171 g2 171 g3 180

[Aslan]

This is far from being "clear".

If for example, I draw Foothill, and you draw Arlington, we have to bowl together?

That doesn't seem to make much sense.

It's fairly clear. If I draw you (physical pairing)…the only way we MUST bowl together is if one of us draws Arlington. Otherwise…bowl at the center you draw whenever your little heart desires. BUT….if we draw Arlington…we have to come up with a plan to meet up and bowl. I'm willing to work to get that done if you are. But yeah, if you say, "I'll meet ya to bowl…but it has to be 3:35PM on this Tuesday"…thats gonna be a little tough on me. Now…if you have a legitimate reason…then cool. Maybe you're going to Cancun for the month and thats the last day you can do it?? Exceptions can be made. But if you're just doing it to avoid a physical pairing OR to try to optimize lane conditions….thats not as valid an excuse…and would require ZDawg/noeymc/Mudpuppy approval.

Besides…maybe I'll make it worth your while and get a ball or 2 drilled.


Your rules have made selection of day and time a significant skill in this competition.

It's also made taking advantage of favorable house conditions less possible.

But don't count your chickens just yet Mr. White. I know the thought of me taking you down in your own house scares the daylights out of you…but we haven't been paired yet. Maybe you luck out and I draw Bunny. Maybe neither of us draw Arlington. Rest easy….for now...

[Aslan]

i called seven hill lanes in seven hills ohio no open bowling around 7 i am going to call rebmans and bz and buckeye and find somewhere to bowl tonight all 3 of these houses have 40-50 lanes so i should be able to find somewhere!


edit:

sent you the scores to your email warm game 172 g1 171 g2 171 g3 180

Once again, I have virtually no idea what you're talking about.

So, did you bowl at your designated center or not? Do you have any printout? A photo of the scores on the screen? I don't have an e-mail from you. Did you send it to the right e-mail? ASLAN_SUPREME@YAHOO.COM???

Deadline is here…noeymc?? tr33frog??? J-Dilly????

[noeymc]

yea it should be from a phone its a print out and no cuz they had no open bowling i couldnt


sent it again

[Mike White]

It's fairly clear. If I draw you (physical pairing)…the only way we MUST bowl together is if one of us draws Arlington. Otherwise…bowl at the center you draw whenever your little heart desires. BUT….if we draw Arlington…we have to come up with a plan to meet up and bowl. I'm willing to work to get that done if you are. But yeah, if you say, "I'll meet ya to bowl…but it has to be 3:35PM on this Tuesday"…thats gonna be a little tough on me. Now…if you have a legitimate reason…then cool. Maybe you're going to Cancun for the month and thats the last day you can do it?? Exceptions can be made. But if you're just doing it to avoid a physical pairing OR to try to optimize lane conditions….thats not as valid an excuse…and would require ZDawg/noeymc/Mudpuppy approval.

Besides…maybe I'll make it worth your while and get a ball or 2 drilled.



It's also made taking advantage of favorable house conditions less possible.

But don't count your chickens just yet Mr. White. I know the thought of me taking you down in your own house scares the daylights out of you…but we haven't been paired yet. Maybe you luck out and I draw Bunny. Maybe neither of us draw Arlington. Rest easy….for now...

All I'm looking for is equal treatment for everyone under the rules.

For the person who lives in a area by themselves, every month they can schedule their time independent of anyone else.

But if there is another person in their area, there will be months where the physical pairing limits their ability to schedule their time.

That isn't equal treatment.

[Aslan]

yea it should be from a phone its a print out and no cuz they had no open bowling i couldnt


sent it again
Okay. I got it. I'll accept it pending verification that there was no open bowling last night at Seven Hills. I can't imagine an alley not having open bowling on a Friday night at 7PM…but, classy granny had to have a re-draw because her original pick didn't open before 5PM which I also thought had to be a mistake and…nope…it was true. But I did get the scores.

Only outstanding question…where did you actually bowl? It doesn't say it on the scoresheet.

As to your home center…this is extremely confusing. Originally you listed:

- Brusnwick Zone Center Ridge
- Buckeye Lanes

Yet you now say your home center is Rebman's.

Yet your only center listed on USBC is "Black River Lanes". And despite "Black River Lanes" being listed as your home USBC center…it's NOT listed when you search the USBC FOR centers…so is it called a different name???

As of right now…your home centers are Buckeye and Brunswick Zone Center Ridge. However, I'm willing to change that to "Black River" if you can tell me what other name it apparently goes by since that IS the OFFICIAL alley you have listed as bowling leagues at last season.


All I'm looking for is equal treatment for everyone under the rules.

For the person who lives in a area by themselves, every month they can schedule their time independent of anyone else.

But if there is another person in their area, there will be months where the physical pairing limits their ability to schedule their time.

That isn't equal treatment.

That IS true. Physical pairing folks (Jeral, tcc, ME, YOU, and Bunny) are at a "slight" disadvantage the way the system is set up. To off set that, we are given one advantage the rest of the folks don't have…which is more "choice" in assigned centers. Granted, that advantage has been reduced by allowing people to give a list of 6 acceptable centers…but, we still have the advantage of being able to "choose" to bowl at one place or another…most people are stuck with what they're assigned.

So by us (me, you, Bunny) having 6 centers each…with only 3 overlapping…we actually have 15 centers to choose from when we're paired…most people only have 6. And important point…this isn't a rule aimed specifically at MWhite…it's a rule that myself and Bunny and tccstdent and Jeral all follow as well. I'd love for the tournament to be live as I've said before…but the physical pairing thing is sort of a remnant or byproduct of what the tournament was originally designed for and how it got twisted into this "virtual thing".

[noeymc]

black river closed and for some reason my name is on there 2 times 1 for this year and one for last year idk also i never said buckeye is my home center please provide a quote to that

BZ i sub there for about 2-3 months for my dude who had surgery

rebmans is my home center

[Aslan]

rebmans is my home center

Okay. Rebmans it is. And that solves the "Black River" mystery.

[noeymc]

also aslan they had league's still going cuz i called around 5 at work and asked if they would its only a 18lane center prob fills up fast

[Aslan]

Deadline is here…noeymc?? tr33frog??? J-Dilly????

Okay, I have noeymc's scores but am waiting on him to tell me what center he actually bowled at and am verifying his assigned center had no open bowling yesterday at 7PM.

EDIT: No open bowling verified. They had a tournament last night.

tr33frog and J-Dilly did not turn in scores so each will receive 0 points or April and their opponents will bowl against those 2 players's averages (+ handicap -10 pins) per the rules.

[Aslan]

New averages, assignments, physical pairings, and virtual pairings will all be done today.

Right now all the standings are only one pair away from being current…just waiting on noeymc to provide me what center he bowled at…then I'll finish updating that and add the update for the 3 "wild card" categories of:

- most improved average
- highest pinfall
- most games over average

[Mike White]

That IS true. Physical pairing folks (Jeral, tcc, ME, YOU, and Bunny) are at a "slight" disadvantage the way the system is set up. To off set that, we are given one advantage the rest of the folks don't have…which is more "choice" in assigned centers. Granted, that advantage has been reduced by allowing people to give a list of 6 acceptable centers…but, we still have the advantage of being able to "choose" to bowl at one place or another…most people are stuck with what they're assigned.

So by us (me, you, Bunny) having 6 centers each…with only 3 overlapping…we actually have 15 centers to choose from when we're paired…most people only have 6. And important point…this isn't a rule aimed specifically at MWhite…it's a rule that myself and Bunny and tccstdent and Jeral all follow as well. I'd love for the tournament to be live as I've said before…but the physical pairing thing is sort of a remnant or byproduct of what the tournament was originally designed for and how it got twisted into this "virtual thing".

I swear you go out of your way to make up, or focus on the wrong thing.

Like I said above, if I get assigned Foothill, and you get assigned Arlington, and we are "physically paired", then I not only can't choose Foothill, I'm not free to schedule my day/time, since I have to bowl with you.

In my opinion, the ability to schedule the day/time is probably the most significant skill being tested.

It's not the bowling with you part that I think is unfair (although it's debatable), it's the scheduling.

I didn't see what centers are on Bunny's list, so I don't know if there will be any overlap there.

You have placed too much weight on the physically paired, such that it can override the random selection of the center.

Even if you happened to be randomly assigned Arlington during the same month as I am randomly assigned Arlington, we still shouldn't HAVE to bowl at the same time.

If necessary to solve the issue, remove Arlington from my list, and add Universal Strike.

My goal here is to independent of "pairing" just like a lone person from Alaska would be independent of "pairing".

It got "twisted" into a virtual thing so you could have more than 2 participants, (originally 3 but ZDawg is headed east)

Oh yes, if you think I'm afraid of bowling against you on wood lanes.
Schedule a re-match (to the Temecula thing) during May before the wood goes away so I can show you how to properly play wood (dry) lanes.

[Aslan]

If necessary to solve the issue, remove Arlington from my list, and add Universal Strike.

Alright. I won't even make Mud/noeymc/ZDawg approve the change. It's obvious you have no desire to be physically paired and it's obvious you don't want to face me in person. You can paint the duck whatever color you want to paint it….doesn't make it a Flamingo.

So, due to MWhite being scared of another embarrassing defeat at my hands…he has chosen to give up his home lane conditions in favor of the center "Universal Lanes". I will make the correction…and hopefully get the centers chosen soon.

[noeymc]

sent u the info broski

[classygranny]

Personally, I think we may have some mis-direction of focus here. Focus on some of the more important issues...

Lane assignments are critical! Some of us schedule our time way ahead - as we have a living to make. Getting lane assignments late in April was understandable due to the start, albeit they could have been a bit quicker. Here it is, already the 3rd and no assignments. I personally would rather have my alley assigned quickly. I really don't care who I am bowling against...doesn't change the way I bowl, or when. My when is very constricted due to work and family, and this month due to a much needed vacation.

Scores - not critical until the end of the bowling month. When I'm bowling, it's not going to matter much if I get a few more or less pins handicap. I bowl to the best of my ability no matter the circumstances.

Mike White wants to be treated equally...I don't blame him. So do I! Two lane assignments given early - what's fair about that to the rest of us?

[Aslan]

The other option that is being ignored….which is, instead of being "lenient" we simply invalidate the scores of those that did not follow the rules the way they were stated.

The executive committee, has over-ruled me and allowed people to bowl at places they weren't assigned and give extra time to people to finish bowling and allow new players to join late. That, unfortunately, delays things.

I know you "don't care"…and my time is less meaningful because I apparently I have no job nor family :confused: but having to keep going back and changing and updating things…because people can't follow very, very simple instructions…is in the least "time consuming" and at best "annoying".

Scores were supposed to be in by midnight Wednesday. I'd have had everything done by sometime May 2nd (Friday). Instead, we allowed for a 2-day extension…and you have your information less than a day later than planned. If that "one day" or fraction there of…is a "deal breaker" to ANYONE's participation…go scratch…I DON'T CARE. It's 12-13 hours of a delay…if your month is SO BUSY that you WOULD HAVE been able to participate if you knew yesterday…but not today…you are WAY too busy to participate in something like this. In my opinion.

As to Mike's "issues"….that probably only a board certified medical psychiatrist can truly diagnose…he doesn't want "equality"…he wants to maximize his ability to win by using his more flexible schedule to bowl at a time when he can guarantee lane conditions that better suit his style. It's not a mystery…he's upset because he considers himself a PBA semi-pro…yet continues to get beaten by amateurs like me and ZDawg and Mudpuppy because he can't match his game and arsenal to non-ideal conditions…and that is frustrating him. So he WON'T play in Temecula…because of his opinion that those lanes are oiled oddly. He WON'T play on the weekend….because the lanes aren't "league quality" conditions. And he won't participate in physical pairing…because not only does he want to guarantee lane conditions…but doesn't want to have to face me in person and lose AGAIN!

So yes…I agree, month 1 was frustrating because the executive committee wanted to lean towards "maintaining participation" rather than "Law and Order". And they have succeeded thus far. We'll see if that is a continual "issue" or if things move more smoothly from here on out given the changes we've made. All I can say is…if you're upset because I'm dragging my feet…realize, I was the FIRST to bowl…and have spent countless hours of my time (and I DO have a job and a family believe it or not) "re-adjusting" averages, handicap, centers, center selection, etc… to keep this thing going in a positive direction…so…blame the people causing the delays…not the person who has already spent at LEAST 100 hours on this little "event".

[Mike White]

The other option that is being ignored….which is, instead of being "lenient" we simply invalidate the scores of those that did not follow the rules the way they were stated.

Would those be the rules you stated, and nobody had the opportunity to vote on?


The executive committee, has over-ruled me and allowed people to bowl at places they weren't assigned and give extra time to people to finish bowling and allow new players to join late. That, unfortunately, delays things.

Could it be that you were over-ruled because it became clear that your rules were unreasonable?


I know you "don't care"…and my time is less meaningful because I apparently I have no job nor family :confused: but having to keep going back and changing and updating things…because people can't follow very, very simple instructions…is in the least "time consuming" and at best "annoying".


You have to keep going back, mainly because you didn't do them right the first time, nor the second, not even the third.



Scores were supposed to be in by midnight Wednesday. I'd have had everything done by sometime May 2nd (Friday). Instead, we allowed for a 2-day extension…and you have your information less than a day later than planned. If that "one day" or fraction there of…is a "deal breaker" to ANYONE's participation…go scratch…I DON'T CARE. It's 12-13 hours of a delay…if your month is SO BUSY that you WOULD HAVE been able to participate if you knew yesterday…but not today…you are WAY too busy to participate in something like this. In my opinion.


You could produce a schedule for every month for the whole summer right now. There is no need to wait for scores.



As to Mike's "issues"….that probably only a board certified medical psychiatrist can truly diagnose…he doesn't want "equality"…he wants to maximize his ability to win by using his more flexible schedule to bowl at a time when he can guarantee lane conditions that better suit his style. It's not a mystery…he's upset because he considers himself a PBA semi-pro…yet continues to get beaten by amateurs like me and ZDawg and Mudpuppy because he can't match his game and arsenal to non-ideal conditions…and that is frustrating him. So he WON'T play in Temecula…because of his opinion that those lanes are oiled oddly. He WON'T play on the weekend….because the lanes aren't "league quality" conditions. And he won't participate in physical pairing…because not only does he want to guarantee lane conditions…but doesn't want to have to face me in person and lose AGAIN!


I don't want to do the equivalent to "moonlight" bowling.

As I said before, schedule a re-match (of the Temecula thing) at Concourse for May.
You will be chewing on so much crow, you'll be farting feathers for a month.

You're obsession with having conditions that are unlike league bowling must come from your realization that you can't win under normal conditions.



So yes…I agree, month 1 was frustrating because the executive committee wanted to lean towards "maintaining participation" rather than "Law and Order". And they have succeeded thus far. We'll see if that is a continual "issue" or if things move more smoothly from here on out given the changes we've made. All I can say is…if you're upset because I'm dragging my feet…realize, I was the FIRST to bowl…and have spent countless hours of my time (and I DO have a job and a family believe it or not) "re-adjusting" averages, handicap, centers, center selection, etc… to keep this thing going in a positive direction…so…blame the people causing the delays…not the person who has already spent at LEAST 100 hours on this little "event".

Most of your 100+ hours were doing senseless things like 90 mile radius.
Or simply wrong things like not calculating handicaps and averages correctly.

I understand you're new to bowling, but never once take advantage of those here with years of experience.
Did you ask how something was properly done? No, you just invented a method you thought might work.

[Mike White]

Okay, I have noeymc's scores but am waiting on him to tell me what center he actually bowled at and am verifying his assigned center had no open bowling yesterday at 7PM.

EDIT: No open bowling verified. They had a tournament last night.

tr33frog and J-Dilly did not turn in scores so each will receive 0 points or April and their opponents will bowl against those 2 players's averages (+ handicap -10 pins) per the rules.

There you go, don't take any input from anyone. Just invent a rule,

People more experienced than yourself have stated you should have a person facing no actual opponent, be required to bowl a score no worse than 10 pins below their own average per game (30 below per series), to be awarded the points.

[classygranny]

I know you "don't care"…and my time is less meaningful because I apparently I have no job nor family :confused: but having to keep going back and changing and updating things…because people can't follow very, very simple instructions…is in the least "time consuming" and at best "annoying".

Scores were supposed to be in by midnight Wednesday. I'd have had everything done by sometime May 2nd (Friday). Instead, we allowed for a 2-day extension…and you have your information less than a day later than planned. If that "one day" or fraction there of…is a "deal breaker" to ANYONE's participation…go scratch…I DON'T CARE. It's 12-13 hours of a delay…if your month is SO BUSY that you WOULD HAVE been able to participate if you knew yesterday…but not today…you are WAY too busy to participate in something like this. In my opinion.


I NEVER said your time is less meaningful because you apparently have no job nor family. I merely stated that I schedule my time very far in advance, and having more available time to schedule bowling would make things easier, nicer, more manageable.

It hasn't been just a 12-13 hour delay...it's been 3 days (or more) if you consider the fact that assignments can be made before the month even starts. You made two assignments, why not all?

It isn't that I am SO BUSY that I WOULD HAVE been able to participate yesterday…but not today, but without assignments soon, I may not be able to schedule anything for the month of May, as my window is getting smaller and smaller as the days go by.

If your opinion is that I am WAY too busy to participate in something like this, then perhaps you should use your "executive powers" to terminate my participation.




You could produce a schedule for every month for the whole summer right now. There is no need to wait for scores.

[J Anderson]

It hasn't been just a 12-13 hour delay...it's been 3 days (or more) if you consider the fact that assignments can be made before the month even starts. You made two assignments, why not all?

It isn't that I am SO BUSY that I WOULD HAVE been able to participate yesterday…but not today, but without assignments soon, I may not be able to schedule anything for the month of May, as my window is getting smaller and smaller as the days go by.



I suspect Aslan has been waiting for all of us to select our six centers to bowl the remainder of the tour. When I looked at my list of 87 centers to choose from, my reaction was: I don't have time to deal with this. Also, unless he assigned me to a center in NYC or out on the island, I wouldn't really have a problem with it.

[Aslan]

Not gonna bother re-hashing nor arguing about it.

My "vision" is everyone will bowl before the deadline, at the center assigned, with verification, and get me their scores by the end of the month. IF that happens…it'll take me like 1-2 days (depending on the day of the week) to update standings, scores, averages, and get new pairings/center assignments.

Those the rules. If anyone has some special need, like Jeral and tccstudent did…and the exec committee is on board…I can make assignments early so they can bowl that first weekend or whatever. I'm not completely unreasonable.

But no…I'm not making a 4-month schedule ahead of time. Had I done that in month number 1….I'd have had to completely re-do it. That takes a LOT of time! If we change something…and somehow it affects the assignments or pairings I make ahead of time…then thats time lost.

And as others have pointed out…everyone plays by the same rules. Sure, there may be slight differences for physical pairings…but other than that…everyone knows the rules…everyone plays the same game with the same set of rules.

A person bowling against someone who ends up NOT bowling (because they are losers)…the person bowling:
A) bowls against their average minus 10 pins from their handicap.
B) their opponent, in games/total points won does not get credit for those points.

It's fairly simple. It's how most leagues are run. No, you don't get to bowl against your average. That may (or may not) be fair depending on the person. High average bowlers are already penalized with handicap…and now you're gonna penalize them further by making them bowl above their average?? What if it's a month they are bowling someone they KNOW they can beat…he/she doesn't participate…now they lose against "themselves"??

A person showing up or not showing up shouldn't penalize their opponent and the person not showing up shouldn't benefit. The rules achieve that.

Also: If everyone that signed up wasn't lame…and deciding not to participate…we wouldn't even have this problem…so, think on that.

[noeymc]

if a person doesnt show up t should benefit the other team tho thats why u get -10 pins

[Mike White]

Alright. I won't even make Mud/noeymc/ZDawg approve the change. It's obvious you have no desire to be physically paired and it's obvious you don't want to face me in person. You can paint the duck whatever color you want to paint it….doesn't make it a Flamingo.

So, due to MWhite being scared of another embarrassing defeat at my hands…he has chosen to give up his home lane conditions in favor of the center "Universal Lanes". I will make the correction…and hopefully get the centers chosen soon.

Ha, I was just watching ESPN's 30 for 30 about Reggie Miller.

They we talking about Spike Lee.

"At every playground there is that one guy, who can't play, yet constantly talks trash"

Aslan, you're that guy.

[Mike White]

A person bowling against someone who ends up NOT bowling (because they are losers)…the person bowling:
A) bowls against their average minus 10 pins from their handicap.
B) their opponent, in games/total points won does not get credit for those points.

It's fairly simple. It's how most leagues are run. No, you don't get to bowl against your average. That may (or may not) be fair depending on the person. High average bowlers are already penalized with handicap…and now you're gonna penalize them further by making them bowl above their average?? What if it's a month they are bowling someone they KNOW they can beat…he/she doesn't participate…now they lose against "themselves"??


You're confusing what happens in league when one person on a team is missing, with what happens when the whole team is missing.

Since this is a singles competition, when one person misses, the whole team misses.

[Mike White]

Nope. It's been fixed. I also updated mine from 146 to 156. All the other averages seem to be correct.

Ok how did you update your average to 156, then now have it show as 154?

You have a few other errors as well.



Aslan 156 <-- 57 <--
Bunny 145 67
classygranny 176 39
Janderson 193 24
Mudpuppy 190 27 <--
Mwhite 192 25 <--
noeymc 161 53
Stormed1 170 45
tccstudent 185 31
Jeral999ok 174 41 <--
tr33frog 213 6
vdubtx 215 4
J-Dilly 187 29
Zdawg 141 71

[Aslan]

Ok how did you update your average to 156, then now have it show as 154?

You have a few other errors as well.



Aslan 156 <-- 57 <--
Bunny 145 67
classygranny 176 39
Janderson 193 24
Mudpuppy 190 27 <--
Mwhite 192 25 <--
noeymc 161 53
Stormed1 170 45
tccstudent 185 31
Jeral999ok 174 41 <--
tr33frog 213 6
vdubtx 215 4
J-Dilly 187 29
Zdawg 141 71

Where did you pull that from? I think that was the pre-corrected averages/handicap. Those were changed to take into account the averaging error in the spreadsheet. The correct values are now being used and should be updated on the general information page.

As to how mine went from 156 to 154; you had me change the averages based on games played in each league rather than just add them together and divide by 2. I "guessed" at my number of games and did the calculation and it came out to 156. I then verified with the scoresheets and it turned out I bowled less games in the 166 average league than I thought…AND…after changing the rounding error…it was 165 not 166. So those slight changes resulted in a 2-pin difference which was updated last month.

Is everything correct NOW?? I've made all the changes and I "think" everything should be correct.

[Aslan]

Okay…need the executive committee to weigh in on this one:

After taking a look at the standings and thinking this thing through…we have a "slight" issue…actually TWO issues:

1) I didn't add anything in the rules about "tiebreakers" The league is set to take the top 7 finishers in points won from April through October. I have the following options for your consideration:

A) A tiebreaker based on highest scratch pinfall. If still a tie, most games bowled above starting average. If still a tie, most improved average.
B) Everyone tied for the last spot makes it into the tournament. So if our 7th and 8th place finishers host are tied with lets say 4 points…they both get in and we expand the tournament to an 8-team format, 9-team format, etc…

REALIZE: That option presents a logistic problem (read below) if it exceeds 8 teams.

C) We institute a "play-in" mini tournament for all those tied for 7th (or 6th/7th…etc..) In this format…we'd still use the 7-team format…but the 2-3 teams all tied for that last spot would have to bowl in the first part of the first month of the tournament to determine who moves on.

REALIZE: THIS means the person tied…that wins the play in round…will need to bowl TWICE that 1st month of the tournament…once to break the tie…once to bowl against the #2 seed.

I propose Option C. But only if we approve the proposal #2 below. I don't think asking the last team in to play twice in October is asking too much. It's only 1 team and it's sort of a "penalty" for barely making it in. But if we don't approve the move to shorten the tour and expand the playoffs to 3 months…I think a play-in would be WAY too much to jam into that first month (which would be November).

2) That leaves November and December for the final tournament. However, in a 7-team format…it takes 3 rounds…more if we add more teams. That would require participants to bowl TWICE per month rather than ONCE per month…during the BUSIEST 2 months of the year in terms of holidays/vacations.

Therefore, I propose:
The tour be changed to April through September leaving THREE months to do the 3 rounds to crown the eventual champion. That SHOULD give us enough time so nobody has to bowl twice in a month in those busy months UNLESS we do the play-in round (see above) but in that format only ONE team would have to bowl twice…a sort of "penalty" for being the last team in. If you don't agree, please propose an alternative plan.

Technically, it's up to me and the executive committee to decide…but all participant's opinions are welcome. I think if we make the tour April-September…that gives us 3 months to crown a champion by year end…and only ONE team has to bowl twice in one month (using play-in option)…and it would be October, the least busy of the three months. And I like the play-in option because it's the MOST inclusive option…allowing 1-2 teams (potentially) to keep their hopes alive.

Thanks!

[Aslan]

Also…note to other participants…I DID bowl this afternoon so my scores are already done, watched by MWhite, and documented/verified.

Without giving too much away…lets just say I have a feeling this "choosing our 6 favorites centers" thing is going to drastically increase scoring. I think my original plan of randomizing centers and forcing participants to bowl in unfamiliar centers on more random conditions…DID have the intended effect. Only 16 games above average of 57 games bowled. And that included one person bowling on his home center.

This month, nobody will be bowling at their home centers…so no 10-point deductions…but everyone will be bowling in essentially their backyards…no unfamiliarity.

[classygranny]

Also…note to other participants…I DID bowl this afternoon so my scores are already done, watched by MWhite, and documented/verified.

Without giving too much away…lets just say I have a feeling this "choosing our 6 favorites centers" thing is going to drastically increase scoring. I think my original plan of randomizing centers and forcing participants to bowl in unfamiliar centers on more random conditions…DID have the intended effect. Only 16 games above average of 57 games bowled. And that included one person bowling on his home center.

This month, nobody will be bowling at their home centers…so no 10-point deductions…but everyone will be bowling in essentially their backyards…no unfamiliarity.

Speak for yourself...I haven't bowled in some of houses I selected in over 5 years (like this month's selection) and some not at all.

[noeymc]

ive only bowled in 3 of the houses i bowled in and it doesnt really matter just depends on who bowled on the lanes before u

[Mike White]

ive only bowled in 3 of the houses i bowled in and it doesnt really matter just depends on who bowled on the lanes before u

Or in the case of Temecula, how bizarre the oil machine is setup.

[Mudpuppy]

My vote on the issue is tournament April-September and the "wild card" (play-in) if tied has to bowl twice. There should be an option to allow a wild card, if one exists, to forfeit if they don't want to bowl twice. I think that resolves any and all issues.

[Mike White]

The averages and handicaps for this month are:

ASLAN: 146; 66 pins.


California Physical Pairings:

ASLAN vs. MWHITE: Pairing optional at Foothill Lanes or Arlington Lanes.
Although, MWhite has specifically removed his home lanes of Arlington from his center list specifically to avoid me, so "no thanks".

Current Wild Card Entry* Standings
Most Improved Average: Current Leader: Mudpuppy 190.63 to 200.50.



A couple of calculations:

Your Games: 144 + 134 + 135 = 413

Your first month average 154 * 3 = 462, or if your first month average was 156 * 3 = 468.

Now calculate your 2nd month average, using 154, it is 462 + 413 = 875, 875 / 6 = 145.83, drop fraction to 145
using 156 for the first month, it is 468 + 413 = 881, 881 / 6 = 146.83, drop fraction to 146.

So did you forget to drop fraction again, or did you decide to use 156 as your first month average?

As for dropping Arlington, you know it was to achieve the same freedom of scheduling as anyone else free of physical pairing.

Avoiding you was just an added bonus.

When you calculate most improved, you drop fractions from the starting average, but you use factions for the current average to break ties.

It should be Most Improved Average: Current Leader: Mudpuppy 190 to 200.50 : 10.50.

Rule 54a. Most Improved Bowler Award

USBC 2013 14 Rulebook (http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/rulebook/USBC2013_14Rulebook.pdf)

Oh and a side note, had you followed the recommendation of when bowling against a absent bowler, bowl against your own average -10, (assuming your average was 154) you would have won 1 point the first month.

[Mudpuppy]

A couple of calculations:

Your Games: 144 + 134 + 135 = 413

Your first month average 154 * 3 = 462, or if your first month average was 156 * 3 = 468.

Now calculate your 2nd month average, using 154, it is 462 + 413 = 875, 875 / 6 = 145.83, drop fraction to 145
using 156 for the first month, it is 468 + 413 = 881, 881 / 6 = 146.83, drop fraction to 146.

So did you forget to drop fraction again, or did you decide to use 156 as your first month average?

As for dropping Arlington, you know it was to achieve the same freedom of scheduling as anyone else free of physical pairing.

Avoiding you was just an added bonus.

When you calculate most improved, you drop fractions from the starting average, but you use factions for the current average to break ties.

It should be Most Improved Average: Current Leader: Mudpuppy 190 to 200.50 : 10.50.

Rule 54a. Most Improved Bowler Award

USBC 2013 14 Rulebook (http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/rulebook/USBC2013_14Rulebook.pdf)

Oh and a side note, had you followed the recommendation of when bowling against a absent bowler, bowl against your own average -10, (assuming your average was 154) you would have won 1 point the first month.

I agree Mike you should be able to have the freedom of scheduling as anyone else. That was not the intention of how it was set up - The intention was to have as many physical pairings as possible. But I understand what you mean. It is always better to go bowl when the alley is not busy. Much more comfortable and less stressful. Personally I wish there was 5 or 6 people bowling in this in Michigan so I could do physical pairings. I think the inconvenience factor is far outweighed by the fun factor of bowling with other people.

I am not real clear on this average calculation. The way I understood things is you have a starting average - 1 number. i.e. 100. But that is independent of your established average going forward. So say I come into THS league "x" the first week of bowling. The rule is you use your book average from last year - say 100 for this example - and after 3 games you establish an average. So then I bowl 100-150-100 for a series of 350. My new average would be 116. That was my understanding - is this not accurate? This is how every league I have ever been on has done. Typically, with a 30 week season, your average is established after 9 games (3 weeks of bowling) but like on my every other Saturday it is only 15 weeks so it was established after 3 games. I just want to be clear on how this is done and that everyone agrees it is correct.

[Mike White]

I agree Mike you should be able to have the freedom of scheduling as anyone else. That was not the intention of how it was set up - The intention was to have as many physical pairings as possible. But I understand what you mean. It is always better to go bowl when the alley is not busy. Much more comfortable and less stressful. Personally I wish there was 5 or 6 people bowling in this in Michigan so I could do physical pairings. I think the inconvenience factor is far outweighed by the fun factor of bowling with other people.

I am not real clear on this average calculation. The way I understood things is you have a starting average - 1 number. i.e. 100. But that is independent of your established average going forward. So say I come into THS league "x" the first week of bowling. The rule is you use your book average from last year - say 100 for this example - and after 3 games you establish an average. So then I bowl 100-150-100 for a series of 350. My new average would be 116. That was my understanding - is this not accurate? This is how every league I have ever been on has done. Typically, with a 30 week season, your average is established after 9 games (3 weeks of bowling) but like on my every other Saturday it is only 15 weeks so it was established after 3 games. I just want to be clear on how this is done and that everyone agrees it is correct.


You're not clear because Aslan invented a rule for averages.

Lets take my scores, because I happen to know them.

My Starting average was 192.

My scores were 221, 160, 182 for a 563 scratch series.

According to Aslan's invented rule, my 2nd month average uses scores of 192, 192, 192, 221, 160, 182 for a total of 1139. 1139 / 6 = 189.

The real world tournies would have used 192 for all the sessions.

Leagues would have used 192 for the first 3 sessions, or 187 for the first and 2nd session

[Aslan]

A couple of calculations:

So did you forget to drop fraction again, or did you decide to use 156 as your first month average?

The thing is...I don't remember. See, orignally I had a 146 average using the median between the two leagues. I agreed to change it based on "games bowled" and since the lower average league was less games...the average went up to I "think" 156...or 154. However, I checked the scoresheets and the games weren't what I thought...and the average rounded down for the higher league was 165 not 166...so it either resulted in it going from 154 to 156 or from 156 to 154. Whatever it is NOW...is what it is and is accurate.

Most people's averages or handicap only changed 1 pin when correcting for games and averaging. Mine changed more because the one league I bowled in was so much shorter (10-13 weeks) versus the other league. I think my average went from 146 to 156 to 154 and back to 156 by the time I corrected it for games, averages, etc... But I don't recall. I know it went down after last month's scores...I think to 149 or 146 or something. Now that everything is locked in and calculated the same way...it shouldn't be an issue here on out.


When you calculate most improved, you drop fractions from the starting average, but you use factions for the current average to break ties.

It should be Most Improved Average: Current Leader: Mudpuppy 190 to 200.50 : 10.50.

Rule 54a. Most Improved Bowler Award

USBC 2013 14 Rulebook (http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/rulebook/USBC2013_14Rulebook.pdf)
I will keep that in mind going forward.


Oh and a side note, had you followed the recommendation of when bowling against a absent bowler, bowl against your own average -10, (assuming your average was 154) you would have won 1 point the first month.
Thats okay. I drew who I drew and needed to beat him...and I didn't. That April performance didn't deserve any points.


I agree Mike you should be able to have the freedom of scheduling as anyone else. That was not the intention of how it was set up - The intention was to have as many physical pairings as possible. But I understand what you mean. It is always better to go bowl when the alley is not busy. Much more comfortable and less stressful. Personally I wish there was 5 or 6 people bowling in this in Michigan so I could do physical pairings. I think the inconvenience factor is far outweighed by the fun factor of bowling with other people.
I keep explaining that to him. The tour was originally a tournament. The rules were based on physical pairing. When it changed to a "virtual tour"...some of the old rules lingered. And the idea was ALWAYS that in all possible ways...we wanted to encourage (or even mandate) bowling other people in person and that there is a value to that. Names with faces, community, score verification, etc... Unfortunately, when it switched to "virtual", it ended up being almost a "penalty" to be physically paired. Early on, that penalty was alleviated by getting more "choice" in your center...but that got minimized when we reduced the center list to 6.


I am not real clear on this average calculation. The way I understood things is you have a starting average - 1 number. i.e. 100. But that is independent of your established average going forward. So say I come into THS league "x" the first week of bowling. The rule is you use your book average from last year - say 100 for this example - and after 3 games you establish an average. So then I bowl 100-150-100 for a series of 350. My new average would be 116. That was my understanding - is this not accurate? This is how every league I have ever been on has done. Typically, with a 30 week season, your average is established after 9 games (3 weeks of bowling) but like on my every other Saturday it is only 15 weeks so it was established after 3 games. I just want to be clear on how this is done and that everyone agrees it is correct.


You're not clear because Aslan invented a rule for averages.

Lets take my scores, because I happen to know them.

My Starting average was 192.

My scores were 221, 160, 182 for a 563 scratch series.

According to Aslan's invented rule, my 2nd month average uses scores of 192, 192, 192, 221, 160, 182 for a total of 1139. 1139 / 6 = 189.

The real world tournies would have used 192 for all the sessions.

Leagues would have used 192 for the first 3 sessions, or 187 for the first and 2nd session

TRUE. But Mike left out the "why" I invented a new way to figure averages. It is the way it is...because we have a TOUR that is very SHORT. In a standard league or Tour...scores are generated on a weekly basis for over 20 weeks. That gives you a sample size of over 20 which is large enough to establish averages. We have 7 games to establish an average. If we didn't factor in a person's entering average into the calculation...theoretically...a person that bowls a 300 series in week 1....would slaughter the competition for at least 2-3 weeks before his/her average re-couped. That would leave only 3-4 weeks before the Tour ends. In the same way...a person coming out of the gate hot...would be dominated for the next 2-3 weeks. Using the person's entry average as a "week"...keeps their averages "grounded" in such a short format. It should eliminate or vastly reduce any sandbagging activities. Many leagues use carryover averages nowadays for that reason. They have bowlers come in from other houses..."establish" a 135 average....sandbag all season...then take home $600-$800 in sweeps. I didn't want anyone with a 180 average, bowling a 90 average in week 1...then punching their ticket almost automatically into the championship tournament.

Another way to do it would have been to use established averages all tour long...but given the potentially lower than average scores when bowling at unfamiliar houses...I thought that unfair to those that get crummy center draws.

[Mudpuppy]

Got it - on the average front. Makes sense to me. Kind of takes into account best of both worlds and evens things out overall. Based on your explanation that seems fair. I just have never seen it done that way.

[bowl1820]

I didn't want anyone with a 180 average, bowling a 90 average in week 1...then punching their ticket almost automatically into the championship tournament.
.

Instead of coming up with a new way to figure averages, You could have just used a "0"pin Drop Rule. So the bowler's average would never drop below their entering average.

Then if the 180 average bowler sandbagged a 90 average the first week it wouldn't help and would likely cost them the win for that month.

[Aslan]

Instead of coming up with a new way to figure averages, You could have just used a "0"pin Drop Rule. So the bowler's average would never drop below their entering average.

I "could" have…had I:

A) Known that was a "thing".
B) Not been concerned about the person that might bowl way HIGH in round 1.
C) Not wanted to be creative.

God…bowlers are like people in nursing homes. God forbid Wheel of Fortune isn't on at 7:00PM and then Walker Texas Ranger….the whole world will collapse!! Maybe people see MY way and it starts a new trend??? Ever think of that??

[bowl1820]

I "could" have…had I:


A) Known that was a "thing".
Considering a "Drop Rule" has been mentioned in many posts before which you probably have read, You should have known. But maybe you didn't.


B) Not been concerned about the person that might bowl way HIGH in round 1.
A "Drop Rule" would have no bearing on a person bowling high in round 1. It just limits how low a persons average can go, not how high.

Your way of figuring average (which is basically is just adding 3 games of extra pins to the bowlers running total.) has two draw backs.

A) It doesn't prevent the bowler from dropping average at the start. The 180 average, bowling a 90 average in week 1. would drop to a 135 average using your way.

B) Your way of average calculation benefits the bowler who bowls HIGH in round 1. Because it helps hold their average down.
The 180 average, bowling a 200 average in week 1. would have their average only go up to 190.

It would also benefit the The 180 average, bowling a 90 average in week 1. for the same reason in following weeks. They could bowl high in following weeks and not have their average go up as much as it should.


C) Not wanted to be creative.
Nothing wrong with being creative, Just remember most new inventions don't work perfectly the first time and don't be defensive if someone points out a flaw or makes a suggestion on how it could be improved.


God…bowlers are like people in nursing homes. God forbid Wheel of Fortune isn't on at 7:00PM and then Walker Texas Ranger….the whole world will collapse!!
Well your a bowler, so I guess you would know. LOL


Maybe people see MY way and it starts a new trend??? Ever think of that??
Hey if that happens more power to you.

[Mudpuppy]

I am ok with your method to the madness Aslan. I did not understand - maybe I didn't cliff note your war and peace novel about the rules as good as I thought. But I understand now. If that is the rules so be it - if this is an issue it can be addressed for season 2.

[Aslan]

I like to think of this new averaging invention in this way:

It's a "link to reality". It doesn't solve everything. As I mentioned to MWhite yesterday when he came to challenge me at my home house...."the rules aren't going to stop a cheater from cheating....there's no rule that will do that 100%." People "could" still sandbag. People "could" still bowl their best series in week 1 and be screwed in weeks 2 and 3. I haven't invented the "cure" for AIDS...I've only invented a way to minimize the damage.

And what is "cheating"? What is "sandbagging"?

I use a non-sanctioned Simple Green mixture to clean my bowling balls after each practice session/league night. Technically, per USBC rules...that would be illegal. Does it give me an advantage? I don't think so. It's just financially a much better decision to make little spray bottles of cleaner for pennies rather than pay $4 for the same stuff. So is that "cheating"? Is it on par with someone that enters a tournament and claims they have a 139 average when they know that they have a 164 average just so they can get in the < 140 division?? Is it the "same"?

And what is "sandbagging"? We ALL know that in week 1...sandbaggers or no...that maybe ya don't try your BEST. Now...for me....I always try my best. I want that 300 ring!! But if things start going south...in week 1...I'm not gonna beat myself up over it. Is that "sandbagging"? Is it the same as a guy that bowls left-handed in week 1 or under-handed?

The thing with life is....most everything is a grey area. Thats one of the things wise people learn that younger people or less wise older people never figure out. There is not 100% right or 100% wrong. Everything has degrees of latitude...everything...bowling, murder, lying, cheating, traffic law compliance, helathy lifestyles, vices....there is no "one right" and "one wrong". It's "degrees".

This rule, physical pairing, time limits, score verifications, etc.. are all designed to keep us sorta in that center...but it's no guarantee. It's still an honor system to much of an extent and that assumes people have "honor"....which unfortunately in this day and age...most people outside the Marine Corps don't even use that word and think it got retired back in the Middle Ages.

[noeymc]

thank you for caping the M in Marines and any Marine will tell you if you aint cheating you aint trying

[Aslan]

All I gotta say is, after all the bee-(f)ishing about the 2-day delay...I better see some scores start rolling in over the next 4 days.

[Mudpuppy]

All I gotta say is, after all the bee-(f)ishing about the 2-day delay...I better see some scores start rolling in over the next 4 days.

Won't see mine for a week or two tough guy - busy the next week or so.

[Mudpuppy]

My video from month 1 at Parkway Bowl or Ten Pins of Trenton or as I guess I renamed it Parkway Lanes. Enjoy. Please note this was exactly 2 days after I picked up this new camera and I am still learning it - the bright lanes, lack of a tripod and lack of lighting in the seating / approach really wasn't conducive to good video. This month I am bringing a tripod and I already know Super Bowl has much better lighting anyways.


https://vimeo.com/94473457

[tccstudent]

All I gotta say is, after all the bee-(f)ishing about the 2-day delay...I better see some scores start rolling in over the next 4 days.

Jerall has our info he will get it to ya when he gets a chance. He also has video of both April and of May if he ever posts it.

[Mike White]

All I gotta say is, after all the bee-(f)ishing about the 2-day delay...I better see some scores start rolling in over the next 4 days.

Mine will probably come on the 12th or 19th.

I'm just glad that fiasco on Monday didn't effect my normal bowling.

On Wednesday, I shot an "Andy Varipapa 300". Last 6 game 2, first 6 game 3.

[Aslan]

I think Mudpuppy's video was tres awesome!

1) The music sucked though. It sounded like Pantera mixed with GWAR. Very distracting.
2) Mudpuppy is thinner than I thought. I need to get back in shape.
3) That random center looked AWESOME (you're welcome)...but it looked very cold there....so I'm glad I moved.

[Mudpuppy]

I think Mudpuppy's video was tres awesome!

1) The music sucked though. It sounded like Pantera mixed with GWAR. Very distracting.
2) Mudpuppy is thinner than I thought. I need to get back in shape.
3) That random center looked AWESOME (you're welcome)...but it looked very cold there....so I'm glad I moved.

Thank you Mr. Aslan - glad you enjoyed it. I wanted to show any and all shots - good shots like strikes and bad shots like missed spares. I hope I captured the essence of the day - not just some random strike after strike video that shows you 1. I can edit video to only have the good shots and 2. I can throw a strike. The music was on purpose - Parkway Bowl = Parkway Drive for music. Kind of my attempt at humor at a theme of sorts. I thought it fit. It's not everyone's cup of tea. I like Parkway Drive but in moderation and that was an OVERLOAD of it for sure. But it fit with the song "Begin" in terms of beginning the tour and then of course the name of the alley and also Idols and Anchors as in Anchor Bowler. You get it I'm sure. The video itself kind of sucked - still learning the camera. Also the lack of lighting in that place was terrible. Like airplane lights 1,000,000 candlewatts on the lanes and no lighting in the seating / concourse area - not exactly optimum for video. The DSLR video is an art all in itself - if I could hold the camera and video myself it would have been better but seeing as that is not possible and I just got the camera I just placed it on the table and hit record at different focal lengths to see what it would do. Maybe this month with a tripod and better lighting in superbowl it will do better. The autofocus (poor capability) is going to continue to be an issue but maybe at the proper distance and focal length it will be ok. In terms of being thinner I am actually up 20 lbs - doc said time to shave 20. Over the summer that won't be an issue with baseball, hiking to take pictures and sweating profusely on the motorcycle in full leather on 90-100 degree days. Cold though? I get it not everyone has thick skin. I love the cold. It's my preference. It's not everyone's bailiwick.

[Mike White]

I think Mudpuppy's video was tres awesome!

1) The music sucked though. It sounded like Pantera mixed with GWAR. Very distracting.
2) Mudpuppy is thinner than I thought. I need to get back in shape.
3) That random center looked AWESOME (you're welcome)...but it looked very cold there....so I'm glad I moved.

Can we get a clarification on using only one lane?

In the rules you said USBC rules apply. and USBC mandates 2 lanes.

Rule 106a

[Aslan]

Can we get a clarification on using only one lane?

In the rules you said USBC rules apply. and USBC mandates 2 lanes.

Rule 106a

We'd prefer 2 lanes to be in line with USBC....but it is not mandated due to potential availability issues. I've used 2 lanes both times I bowled...both times were pretty dead at the alleys.

[Mudpuppy]

At Parkway I was lucky the guy could set up one lane. It was a joke. Some alleys around here will only give you one lane if you are bowling with 1 or 2 people. I wasn't even thinking about this issue when I bowled. When I bowl this month I will attempt to get 2 lanes. 1, 2, 3, 6 lanes doesn't matter to me. My bowling doesn't change. To me bowling 1 lane is a disadvantage. I'd rather bowl 2 lanes.

[Hampe]

I don't know many centers that will give you two lanes for one person. Unless it's completely empty....

[Mudpuppy]

I don't know many centers that will give you two lanes for one person. Unless it's completely empty....

Even then some of the ones around here won't give you 2 lanes for 1 person. And then for those that do give you 2 lanes they typically have a hard time or don't want to set it up to where you switch back and forth between lanes like a league. I have tried it many times when I bowl with say 5 or 6 people. The rare time I did get them to make it so you switch the people I bowled with are sub-beginner open bowlers and always bowl on the wrong lane - they stare right at me when I say we switch and then they go bowl on the same lane twice. Does not compute. But I will definitely try each time I bowl now. I don't want to feed into any excuses or malcontent.

[Hampe]

And then for those that do give you 2 lanes they typically have a hard time or don't want to set it up to where you switch back and forth between lanes like a league. I have tried it many times when I bowl with say 5 or 6 people. The rare time I did get them to make it so you switch the people I bowled with are sub-beginner open bowlers and always bowl on the wrong lane - they stare right at me when I say we switch and then they go bowl on the same lane twice. Does not compute.Lol....same here :D. You wouldn't think it would be that hard for a fully grown human being to understand...

I mean, I'm not going to lie and say I NEVER bowled on the wrong lane in a tournament or league, but I at least understand the concept :D.

Good luck getting them to do it for just one person though. Maybe you can print out a little form saying "I hereby acknowledge that we refused to provide Mudpuppy with 2 lanes with a league style setup" and ask the manager of the center sign it. Maybe that will keep Mike W from complaining... (but don't count on it :)).

[Aslan]

I mean, I'm not going to lie and say I NEVER bowled on the wrong lane in a tournament or league, but I at least understand the concept :D.


That happened last night actually. It seems to happen quite freaquetly because we have 4 guys (of 8, 5 regulars and 3 subs) that have never bowled in a league before. So it's understandable.

And it was sort of my fault....because we were bowling unopposed and I was playing in the bowling/poker game...so I didn't want to get too far ahead of the other teams...but my team was just RAPID FIRE....I didn't even have a time to breath and it was my turn again. So a few times I just sat there and ate my burger and pretended I didn't realize I was up...to try and slow down the pace a little. Well...during one of these times...one of the new guys went and bowled on my lane instead of his....and it was a huge fiasco to get it fixed.

I don't see it as much of an advantage to bowl on just one lane.

The PRO is that you only have to figure out one lane...so it's easier to get dialed in faster. The CON is you don't have a fresh set of oil for very long...so you're going to have move left faster. If I bowl by myself on 2 alternating lanes...I may never have to change my target and only move my feet maybe 3 boards left for the whole series. But if I bowl on one lane, I will likely have to move my target a couple boards over the course of the series.

[Mike White]

At Parkway I was lucky the guy could set up one lane. It was a joke. Some alleys around here will only give you one lane if you are bowling with 1 or 2 people. I wasn't even thinking about this issue when I bowled. When I bowl this month I will attempt to get 2 lanes. 1, 2, 3, 6 lanes doesn't matter to me. My bowling doesn't change. To me bowling 1 lane is a disadvantage. I'd rather bowl 2 lanes.

Oh, the life of a lefty :)

[Mudpuppy]

Oh, the life of a lefty :)

Now that I can't change - I can't help it I bowl with the correct hand. lol.

I love being a lefty in terms of bowling. Our league championship I was the only lefty and I cleaned up - fresh line all night bowled my best series of the year.

If you played me in baseball and didn't like it that I batted left well you would be in trouble because I bat just as good or better right. I'm sure if I really wanted to I could learn to bowl right but then what is the point?

[Mudpuppy]

That happened last night actually. It seems to happen quite freaquetly because we have 4 guys (of 8, 5 regulars and 3 subs) that have never bowled in a league before. So it's understandable.

And it was sort of my fault....because we were bowling unopposed and I was playing in the bowling/poker game...so I didn't want to get too far ahead of the other teams...but my team was just RAPID FIRE....I didn't even have a time to breath and it was my turn again. So a few times I just sat there and ate my burger and pretended I didn't realize I was up...to try and slow down the pace a little. Well...during one of these times...one of the new guys went and bowled on my lane instead of his....and it was a huge fiasco to get it fixed.

I don't see it as much of an advantage to bowl on just one lane.

The PRO is that you only have to figure out one lane...so it's easier to get dialed in faster. The CON is you don't have a fresh set of oil for very long...so you're going to have move left faster. If I bowl by myself on 2 alternating lanes...I may never have to change my target and only move my feet maybe 3 boards left for the whole series. But if I bowl on one lane, I will likely have to move my target a couple boards over the course of the series.

Bingo - hit the nail on the head. When you bowl 1 lane or you are right handed on a normal league your line changes very rapidly. Maybe in this VBT the people that bowl by themselves will learn the beauty of bowling left handed because they don't have 9 other people messing up their line. Sometimes I run into that though - a couple of teams on my league have 2 lefties and 1 is good and the other is not good at all. Those nights it's extremely difficult to find a good line.

[Aslan]

Oh, the life of a lefty :)

Tru dat.

[Mike White]

Bingo - hit the nail on the head. When you bowl 1 lane or you are right handed on a normal league your line changes very rapidly. Maybe in this VBT the people that bowl by themselves will learn the beauty of bowling left handed because they don't have 9 other people messing up their line. Sometimes I run into that though - a couple of teams on my league have 2 lefties and 1 is good and the other is not good at all. Those nights it's extremely difficult to find a good line.

I found away around such problems.

I don't rely on the ever changing oil line to help guide the ball to the pocket.

I try to play well into the dry area using a highly polished urethane ball without a high-tech core, that doesn't absorb oil.

That way the ball only does what my hand puts into it, and the "dry" area can't really break down any more than it starts out at.

My only requirements are clean back ends, and some oil in the heads.

Oh, I also need Aleeve, and some food in me, so my tank doesn't run empty.

[vdubtx]

I found away around such problems.

I don't rely on the ever changing oil line to help guide the ball to the pocket.

I try to play well into the dry area using a highly polished urethane ball without a high-tech core, that doesn't absorb oil.

That way the ball only does what my hand puts into it, and the "dry" area can't really break down any more than it starts out at.

My only requirements are clean back ends, and some oil in the heads.

Oh, I also need Aleeve, and some food in me, so my tank doesn't run empty.

Worked pretty well against Aslan. :p :cool:

I keed, I keed!!!

[Mike White]

Worked pretty well against Aslan. :p :cool:

I keed, I keed!!!

Thats my luck at bowling in other independent centers.

Temecula, had a flood (the Mastermind wouldn't wrinkle unless it was left of 15 board)
Chaparral300, was a swamp from moonlight bowlers.
Concourse, was a desert complete with tumble weeds.

At least the locations I selected are part of the Brunswick chain, so there is a chance they understand what bowling is about.

I'm actually shocked at how bad those three places were.

In the 80's, we could go into any house, at any time, and find reasonable conditions.

[Mike White]

That happened last night actually. It seems to happen quite freaquetly because we have 4 guys (of 8, 5 regulars and 3 subs) that have never bowled in a league before. So it's understandable.

And it was sort of my fault....because we were bowling unopposed and I was playing in the bowling/poker game...so I didn't want to get too far ahead of the other teams...but my team was just RAPID FIRE....I didn't even have a time to breath and it was my turn again. So a few times I just sat there and ate my burger and pretended I didn't realize I was up...to try and slow down the pace a little. Well...during one of these times...one of the new guys went and bowled on my lane instead of his....and it was a huge fiasco to get it fixed.


It should have been an easy fix, unless you didn't know how to make scoring corrections.

By the sound of it, I doubt you fixed it according to USBC rules.

If the new guy was up, but went on the wrong lane, or wasn't actually up, but bowled out of turn (before you on your lane) then a dead ball is declared, and his score (showing up under your name) is deleted. The score he achieved in that frame is NOT moved to his name.

USBC Rule 9 - Wrong Lane
USBC Rule 8d - Dead Ball

[Mike White]

Now that I can't change - I can't help it I bowl with the correct hand. lol.

I love being a lefty in terms of bowling. Our league championship I was the only lefty and I cleaned up - fresh line all night bowled my best series of the year.

If you played me in baseball and didn't like it that I batted left well you would be in trouble because I bat just as good or better right. I'm sure if I really wanted to I could learn to bowl right but then what is the point?

I always felt that the 10% of lefties should be paying 50% of the bills if they want the same amount of resources (oil) on their side.

That would mean if lineage is normally $10 per night, the lone lefty should pay $50, and the 9 righties should pay $5.56 each.

[vdubtx]

Did my VBT bowling today. The center I bowled in was one I had never been to before and hopefully don't have to go back to again, my fault for choosing it as it is about 18 miles from home. Talk about in the sticks, this bowling alley did not even resemble one from the outside. 16 lanes that are "somewhat" maintained, and the guy said they only oil once a week on Tuesdays. He warned me ahead of time, but in the end I actually bowled pretty darn well.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/Vdubtx/photo_zps542aa68d.jpg (http://s43.photobucket.com/user/Vdubtx/media/photo_zps542aa68d.jpg.html)

[Hampe]

Lol.....looks like a bowling shack. If it didn't have a "Bowl" sign, you'd think it was a feed store or something :D.

[Mudpuppy]

I always felt that the 10% of lefties should be paying 50% of the bills if they want the same amount of resources (oil) on their side.

That would mean if lineage is normally $10 per night, the lone lefty should pay $50, and the 9 righties should pay $5.56 each.

That's funny - I think the righties, for being inferior, should pay 100% of my bowling, beer and food just to have the privilege to be in the presence of greatness. So far it hasn't worked out for me but let me know if your idea works out and I will be sure to sell my house, move to Cali and join that league - NOT!

Sounds like your lefty theory is about as successful as your urethane bowling ball theory. You have access to any and all balls - man up and get into the oil. You still have some hope - Aslan has no hope so we won't even go there.

I typically take 3 ibuprofens before I bowl, play baseball or basketball or ride my motorcycle at the track or extended rides. It's the joys of getting older and from being a stuntman abusing my body as a youth. Otherwise I am in pain for awhile. I didn't do that Friday, played baseball and still in pain today.

V that does look like a feed shack. Did they sell carrots for hunting deer out the back door?

[Aslan]

I like that VDub bowled in what appears to be a West Virginia chicken coop and it was HIM that chose it!!!

Wel done. Maybe you should let Aslan go back to his original idea and choose centers for you? You have to drive further...but so far my selections have been somewhat "normal". Mike complains about Chapparel300...but in all honesty...it's a nice house. I just think it's "when" you bowl there. A LOT of alleys won't oil on the weekends...and I HATE that. I played AMF Carter at the tail end of Thanksgiving weekend and my ball reacted as if I was rolling it on dry plywood. And THAT place puts down as much oil as anywhere for league play...more oil than anywhere (except AMF Riverside) in SoCal.

But...it adds to the "fun"...and the "experience".

So far only me and VDub have bowled...so currently the over/under on how many lame participants are going to be posting on May 29th that they need more time because their car broke down or their alley is closed for a birthday party or their spouse stepped on a tack and needs medical attention is somewhere around "3" according to Vegas oddsmakers.

[vdubtx]

I like that VDub bowled in what appears to be a West Virginia chicken coop and it was HIM that chose it!!!

Wel done. Maybe you should let Aslan go back to his original idea and choose centers for you? You have to drive further

No thanks!! Happier bowling in centers that are closer to me. Wasn't about to drive 50 miles one way to bowl in a center. :cool:

[Mike White]

I like that VDub bowled in what appears to be a West Virginia chicken coop and it was HIM that chose it!!!

Wel done. Maybe you should let Aslan go back to his original idea and choose centers for you? You have to drive further...but so far my selections have been somewhat "normal". Mike complains about Chapparel300...but in all honesty...it's a nice house. I just think it's "when" you bowl there. A LOT of alleys won't oil on the weekends...and I HATE that. I played AMF Carter at the tail end of Thanksgiving weekend and my ball reacted as if I was rolling it on dry plywood. And THAT place puts down as much oil as anywhere for league play...more oil than anywhere (except AMF Riverside) in SoCal.

But...it adds to the "fun"...and the "experience".

So far only me and VDub have bowled...so currently the over/under on how many lame participants are going to be posting on May 29th that they need more time because their car broke down or their alley is closed for a birthday party or their spouse stepped on a tack and needs medical attention is somewhere around "3" according to Vegas oddsmakers.

I've completed mine at Foothill today.
I have video to edit, stills photos of the scores, as well as a printout.

Foothill being a Brunswick house has lower friction synthetic lane surfaces, but at least I wasn't bowling on leftover trashed lanes.

The practice game had me a bit worried if I should ball up to a low flare breeze, but I found a little friction at the end.

Will post scores when the video is complete later tonight/tomorrow.

[Mike White]

That's funny - I think the righties, for being inferior, should pay 100% of my bowling, beer and food just to have the privilege to be in the presence of greatness.

Sounds like your lefty theory is about as successful as your urethane bowling ball theory.
You have access to any and all balls - man up and get into the oil.
You still have some hope - Aslan has no hope so we won't even go there.



You seem to forget you posted that video, so we know how much you rely on both the dry, and oil to help your errant shots.

Actually you "spray canned" so much, it's hard to tell what your target was.

[vdubtx]

So far only me and VDub have bowled...

I thought the Oklahoma contingent(tccstudent and jerrall) had already bowled too per their "tourney" schedule and needing something quickly in terms of center they were to bowl in.

[tccstudent]

I thought the Oklahoma contingent(tccstudent and jerrall) had already bowled too per their "tourney" schedule and needing something quickly in terms of center they were to bowl in.

We did Jerall has all the scores and videotape

[vdubtx]

We did Jerall has all the scores and videotape

Get those scores submitted mang!! :cool:

[Mike White]

Month 2, Foothill Lanes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU1qvfKC8_s

Ooops, Graphic mistake at the end, wasn't supposed to be a spare at the very end, but the score is correct.

[vdubtx]

Nice shooting Mike!

[Aslan]

I probably wouldn't have posted that before J-Dilly bowls as you now give him a target to aim at and are reliant on him being an honest fellow...but, to each their own.

I've already bowled (Mike witnessed) and will post mine and Jeral's scores as soon as Jeral gets around to sending them. So far I have mine, VDub's, and MWhite's. And...as predicted...so far the non-randomized (or LESS randomized) center selection is producing much higher scores. So this'll be interesting.

[Aslan]

Nice shooting Mike!

So if he shot a 700...and I tend to DESTROY him by like 200 pins...I might have a 900 series at that center. Dang! I shoulda put it on my list!!

[J-Dilly]

Nice shooting Mike, I dont think Im gonna top that. I will do my best to get a recording of mine as well. I can assure you I will have honest scores

[Mike White]

So if he shot a 700...and I tend to DESTROY him by like 200 pins...I might have a 900 series at that center. Dang! I shoulda put it on my list!!

Remember you only beat me scratch at your rock pile of a house. And that was after I effectively gave up.

Foothill was rather slick (where you struggle to shoot 450). I was standing 10 boards right, and targeting 5 boards right of normal for me.

BTW did you notice, that was 30 clean frames.

Also, when/where did you shoot the 680 you have listed in your signature?

[Aslan]

Also, when/where did you shoot the 680 you have listed in your signature?

Last night...on the new synthetics that were put in. Yup...thats right!! Yes, they put in Brunswick synthetics...but "No" they haven't really oiled them a great deal....so Aslan has went from an inconsistent heaven....to a more consistent heaven! Now I can throw the Rhythm, with it's wonderful solid coverstock, and that baby just goes out and makes a nice, smooth turn into the pocket.

Still gonna need MWhite, bowling ball driller to the stars, to drill me up a couple assymetric bowling balls in my closet...probably end of July, beginning of August timeframe. Definitely before I sweep in Laughlin. The lanes may be dry, but I still can't get either the Rhythm nor the Frantic to make the turn when playing inside. Not at a 130-225 rev rate. And as you can see by the scores I posted...once my second arrow area dries up...I gotta ball down because I have nowhere to go. If I move anywhere left of say 8 boards (left of center on my approach)....I might as well just save myself the effort and throw it directly at the 6-pin...because it's not coming back. Might as well throw a back-up ball using the 2nd arrow on the left side at that point.

Don't worry Mr. White. Someday, you'll be able to say you once drilled balls for the greatest bowler of his generation...me. Not right now...still working out some kinks...but someday. And I won't forget you!! I'll certainly sign a photograph of us both for you to hang in the shop.

[Mike White]

Last night...on the new synthetics that were put in. Yup...thats right!! Yes, they put in Brunswick synthetics...but "No" they haven't really oiled them a great deal....so Aslan has went from an inconsistent heaven....to a more consistent heaven! Now I can throw the Rhythm, with it's wonderful solid coverstock, and that baby just goes out and makes a nice, smooth turn into the pocket.

Still gonna need MWhite, bowling ball driller to the stars, to drill me up a couple assymetric bowling balls in my closet...probably end of July, beginning of August timeframe. Definitely before I sweep in Laughlin. The lanes may be dry, but I still can't get either the Rhythm nor the Frantic to make the turn when playing inside. Not at a 130-225 rev rate. And as you can see by the scores I posted...once my second arrow area dries up...I gotta ball down because I have nowhere to go. If I move anywhere left of say 8 boards (left of center on my approach)....I might as well just save myself the effort and throw it directly at the 6-pin...because it's not coming back. Might as well throw a back-up ball using the 2nd arrow on the left side at that point.

Don't worry Mr. White. Someday, you'll be able to say you once drilled balls for the greatest bowler of his generation...me. Not right now...still working out some kinks...but someday. And I won't forget you!! I'll certainly sign a photograph of us both for you to hang in the shop.

Should we report you to the authorities?

Clearly you intend to kill every bowler of your generation.

[noeymc]

lololol ^ good one mike

[Blacksox1]

Month 2, Foothill Lanes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU1qvfKC8_s

Ooops, Graphic mistake at the end, wasn't supposed to be a spare at the very end, but the score is correct.

Great video and great bowling Mike ! Keep it up. You have mad skills with the camera, graphics and the bowling ball. What ball did you use ?

[Mike White]

Great video and great bowling Mike ! Keep it up. You have mad skills with the camera, graphics and the bowling ball. What ball did you use ?

That was one of the Storm Mix. I have two of them, one Red, and one blue/orange.

Those are old tech urethane, and pancake weight blocks.

The red one is drilled straight over the CG. It works best at my home lanes.

The one I used here has the CG 3 inches towards the PAP, and a big/deep balance hole to increase the RG at the PAP.

It tends to work for a game, maybe two in league depending on who else is on the pair, then it hooks too much.

[noeymc]

mike did u ever notice you often drop the ball to early?

[Mike White]

mike did u ever notice you often drop the ball to early?

Technically it's not a drop, although it sure sounds like one.

What is happening is my release is occurring before the ball has entered the "flat spot" so when I'm completely out of the ball, the ball is still headed in the downward direction.

It has a negative effect on speed control, so it's something I'm going to work on this summer.

If you notice, on my spare shots, my release is different (no elbow bend) because I'm not trying to make the ball roll.

On a spare ball, if it makes a noise, I either actually dropped it, or lofted it into Aslanville.

[vdubtx]

Technically it's not a drop, although it sure sounds like one.


If it looks like a drop, and it sounds like a drop, then it is likely a drop.

LOL. Sorry couldn't resist using that.

[Mike White]

If it looks like a drop, and it sounds like a drop, then it is likely a drop.

LOL. Sorry couldn't resist using that.

The release happens faster than 30 fps can catch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nerhBaefzsE

[vdubtx]

The release happens faster than 30 fps can catch.


I can see it's not a drop, but couldn't resist using the phrase. :cool:

[Mudpuppy]

You seem to forget you posted that video, so we know how much you rely on both the dry, and oil to help your errant shots.

Actually you "spray canned" so much, it's hard to tell what your target was.

And you seem to forget I never claimed to be the greatest bowler of all time or the bowler with the most excuses - you take those titles.

In the whole sequence I was out of the oil maybe 3-4 shots. You just like to spit verbal venom at everyone. It's a miracle you have any customers. I'll spray can my way to victory any night of the week - morning or afternoon too. I am a THS bowler - I know what my skill level is and I am good with it. I could blame the seismic activity that day or the guy at the counter looked at me funny and made advances or the beer wasn't cold but I'll leave the excuse making and unproductive comments to you. I am definitely inconsistent. Sorry you couldn't see my target - I wasn't aware I was getting a free bowling lesson from someone with clearly more experience - age wise anyways - who wishes they could spray can a 633 series. If you bowled against Betty White I would definitely put my good money on Betty White and of course give you a few pins handicap plus make a side wager you would have 1,000 excuses to her 1.

Thank you for your comments. I will look forward to your informative and helpful comments for this month's video. Good luck finding bone dry lanes to suit your style. I hear after open bowling they are pretty dry. Next video you should wear clown makeup and a funny hat so it would actually entertain us.

[Mike White]

And you seem to forget I never claimed to be the greatest bowler of all time or the bowler with the most excuses - you take those titles.

Is this not an accurate quote of you?


That's funny - I think the righties, for being inferior, should pay 100% of my bowling, beer and food just to have the privilege to be in the presence of greatness.

[Mudpuppy]

Is this not an accurate quote of you?

Oh I'm sorry - do we need to introduce you to humor 101?? I forgot in addition to your stunning good looks your piece of paper like personality. Surprised you haven't made your first billion at your business yet - you have such great people skills.

[Aslan]

It's hard to decide what is a better internet fight.

Aslan vs. MWhite

MWhite vs. Rob M.
or
MWhite vs. Mudpuppy

I think it's MWhite vs Mudpuppy because:

A) MWhitevRobM is too technical...too many numbers thrown around. It's like 2 nerds arguing about whether Star Trek was superior in spaceship technology to Star Wars. Not to mention, Rob M. plays the "holier than thou" card and just stops fighting...using the "win by non-participation" tactic.

B) While Aslan is funnier than Mudpuppy...Aslan is difficult to get "upset" or "animated". It's just a battle that degrades into "I know you but what I am I". Meanwhile...Mudpuppy when confronted with any type of moderate level "zinger" immediately jumps to hsi feet and starts attacking like a Tazmanian devil!! He insults your lifestyle and your looks and your business accuity and even your momma!! No mercy!!

While a RobM/MWhite debate is like an interview on Larry King....and an Aslan/MWhite debate like an interview on Crossfire with Chris Matthews....a Mudpuppy/MWhite debate is like a pre-match WWF interview.

[Aslan]

Not to mention the idea that Mucpuppy, a non-2-handed bowler, could be the greatest bowler ever is rather absurd. I'm gonna have to use the Larry Flynt legal precedence on that one. If a non-2-handed bowler claims to be anything above "average at best" then it's certainly meant as a joke. Am I wrong?

[Mudpuppy]

It's hard to decide what is a better internet fight.

Aslan vs. MWhite

MWhite vs. Rob M.
or
MWhite vs. Mudpuppy

I think it's MWhite vs Mudpuppy because:

A) MWhitevRobM is too technical...too many numbers thrown around. It's like 2 nerds arguing about whether Star Trek was superior in spaceship technology to Star Wars. Not to mention, Rob M. plays the "holier than thou" card and just stops fighting...using the "win by non-participation" tactic.

B) While Aslan is funnier than Mudpuppy...Aslan is difficult to get "upset" or "animated". It's just a battle that degrades into "I know you but what I am I". Meanwhile...Mudpuppy when confronted with any type of moderate level "zinger" immediately jumps to hsi feet and starts attacking like a Tazmanian devil!! He insults your lifestyle and your looks and your business accuity and even your momma!! No mercy!!

While a RobM/MWhite debate is like an interview on Larry King....and an Aslan/MWhite debate like an interview on Crossfire with Chris Matthews....a Mudpuppy/MWhite debate is like a pre-match WWF interview.

No cliff notes needed - this is spot on. I might suck at bowling and life in general but the good Lord (or your deity of choice) has blessed (or cursed) me with the silver tongue. I wouldn't recommend engaging in any kind of verbal altercation but seems like MWhite enjoys the abuse. And duly noted not once has he ever redeemed himself by offering actual helpful advice or answering point by point - he picks out a random point out of context and disputes it with a "fact" again out of context. Honestly I feel like I am debating someone from my kid's preschool.


Not to mention the idea that Mucpuppy, a non-2-handed bowler, could be the greatest bowler ever is rather absurd. I'm gonna have to use the Larry Flynt legal precedence on that one. If a non-2-handed bowler claims to be anything above "average at best" then it's certainly meant as a joke. Am I wrong?

You got that right brother. And in all honesty I don't want to be the greatest bowler ever. I don't even want to be top 100,000. I am good being Joe THS bowler and having fun with it. Life's a garden....dig it. Not here for a long time just here for a good time. All that good happy feel good stuff ya know?

[Aslan]

Nice shooting Mike!

Agreed. And the music was way better than whatever Mudpuppy was blaring in his video.

That video does remind me of a huge arguement we had way back when about "muscling" the ball. I was practically burnt at the the stake for pointing out that the swing motion is not a true pendulum as most bowlers "add muscling" to the downward swing. I was told that the swing should be a pure pendulum and adding "muscling" is bad.

Well...unless Mike is using his mutant powers of gravity manipulation...he's muscling BIG TIME...because that ball is speeding up significantly on the downswing.

[Aslan]

Mud...ya have to understand the "Interweb".

I'll give ya 5 examples of people from the site I have met:

Aslan- Am I as much of an ***** as I am on the site?? Heck no. I'd get purposely run over by cars if I had the same personality off the site as I have on the site. But I think everyone that meets me in person would say I'm "similar" to the way I am on the site. I'm still opinionated and arguementative and kind've an *****. Just not "as bad" in real life.

MWhite- Mike is similar. Is he a LOT different in person? No. He's a guy that is firmly entrenched in his beliefs. And he likes to argue. That personality is a curse on the internet. But in real life, he's very personable. In his profession...he sorta has to be. The key is, don't confuse his disagreement and loving to argue (even the most minute points) with him being "upset". Like me, no matter how he sounds, he's likely not "upset".

Rob M.- When I first read Rob M's posts...he came off as a pompous *******. It was obvious he "knew his stuff"...but he explained in a way that made me think, "Dang dude....get a room with yourself already." But IRL...he's a very normal guy. He seems to love the sport and likes to help people get better.

Bunny- Is Bunny as nice in person as she is on the site? Not really. She's nice...but on the website she is EXTRA nice....nobody can be that nice in reality...not even Betty White or Mr. Rogers. But she's very nice.

ZDawg....actually he's a lot in person like he is on the site.

Bunny and ZDawg just don't have that "echt"...that desire or "love" to be contorversial. If either of them are controverisal on the internet...I think it would be by accident. It's just not their "thing". Does that mean they aren't interested or opinionated?? Nope. Bunny is very opinionated and has a real passion for bowling.

So the point is...in Mudpuppy cliff notes...remember the internet tends to take a person's personality and amplify it. Don't get offended. Nobody should ever get offended by stuff people say on the internet. The internet is an imaginary world, nothing more. If you get upset over internet discussions...then real life is REALLY going to be a problem!

[Mudpuppy]

Mud...ya have to understand the "Interweb".

I'll give ya 5 examples of people from the site I have met:

Aslan- Am I as much of an ***** as I am on the site?? Heck no. I'd get purposely run over by cars if I had the same personality off the site as I have on the site. But I think everyone that meets me in person would say I'm "similar" to the way I am on the site. I'm still opinionated and arguementative and kind've an *****. Just not "as bad" in real life.

MWhite- Mike is similar. Is he a LOT different in person? No. He's a guy that is firmly entrenched in his beliefs. And he likes to argue. That personality is a curse on the internet. But in real life, he's very personable. In his profession...he sorta has to be. The key is, don't confuse his disagreement and loving to argue (even the most minute points) with him being "upset". Like me, no matter how he sounds, he's likely not "upset".

Rob M.- When I first read Rob M's posts...he came off as a pompous *******. It was obvious he "knew his stuff"...but he explained in a way that made me think, "Dang dude....get a room with yourself already." But IRL...he's a very normal guy. He seems to love the sport and likes to help people get better.

Bunny- Is Bunny as nice in person as she is on the site? Not really. She's nice...but on the website she is EXTRA nice....nobody can be that nice in reality...not even Betty White or Mr. Rogers. But she's very nice.

ZDawg....actually he's a lot in person like he is on the site.

Bunny and ZDawg just don't have that "echt"...that desire or "love" to be contorversial. If either of them are controverisal on the internet...I think it would be by accident. It's just not their "thing". Does that mean they aren't interested or opinionated?? Nope. Bunny is very opinionated and has a real passion for bowling.

So the point is...in Mudpuppy cliff notes...remember the internet tends to take a person's personality and amplify it. Don't get offended. Nobody should ever get offended by stuff people say on the internet. The internet is an imaginary world, nothing more. If you get upset over internet discussions...then real life is REALLY going to be a problem!

lol - now that is funny. You are teaching me about the interweb? Offended? Hardly. I amuse myself a little bit and then go onto something meaningful. There is a common denominator here - MWhite v Aslan, MWhite v Rob, MWhite...................................Starting to see a pattern? It's obvious the guy likes to argue. Works well on a high school debate team - not so much with a customer service type of business.

And your paragraph after paragraph of idle chatter was anti-cliff notes.

[Mike White]

Mud...ya have to understand the "Interweb".


Aslan don't even use the term Interweb.

It's a code word for "I don't have a clue".

[Mike White]

Agreed. And the music was way better than whatever Mudpuppy was blaring in his video.

That video does remind me of a huge arguement we had way back when about "muscling" the ball. I was practically burnt at the the stake for pointing out that the swing motion is not a true pendulum as most bowlers "add muscling" to the downward swing. I was told that the swing should be a pure pendulum and adding "muscling" is bad.

Well...unless Mike is using his mutant powers of gravity manipulation...he's muscling BIG TIME...because that ball is speeding up significantly on the downswing.

The music is somehow related to Route 66, because Foothill Lanes is on Foothill Blvd which is part of the old Route 66.

This is closer to the pendulum swing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sViAE7LfQXs

Thats what I was using while my arm was hurt.
But the carry was horrible.
Thats why my average was as low as it was.

Most people who tell you something is bad, just haven't seen it done effectively.
I grew up bowling with old-timers who said you can't be consistent crossing that many boards.

[classygranny]

lol - now that is funny. You are teaching me about the interweb? Offended? Hardly. I amuse myself a little bit and then go onto something meaningful. There is a common denominator here - MWhite v Aslan, MWhite v Rob, MWhite...................................Starting to see a pattern? It's obvious the guy likes to argue. Works well on a high school debate team - not so much with a customer service type of business.

And your paragraph after paragraph of idle chatter was anti-cliff notes.

This was the funniest thing on here in awhile....thanks for the laugh!

[Aslan]

Aslan don't even use the term Interweb.

It's a code word for "I don't have a clue".

I like it. "Internet" is over-used. Like calling Twitter "Tweeter"…it's the new IN thing.

I'm a trend-setter Mr. White. A leader, not a follower.

[Mike White]

I like it. "Internet" is over-used. Like calling Twitter "Tweeter"…it's the new IN thing.

I'm a trend-setter Mr. White. A leader, not a follower.

Is the cat chasing it's own tail, a leader, a follower, or just a stupid cat running in circles?

[Hampe]

I like it. "Internet" is over-used. Like calling Twitter "Tweeter"…it's the new IN thing.

I'm a trend-setter Mr. White. A leader, not a follower.Lol....not to mention delusional....

News flash: People who do the "IN" thing like saying "interwebz" and "tweeter" are the exact opposite of a "trend-setter"....

[Mike White]

The lanes may be dry, but I still can't get either the Rhythm nor the Frantic to make the turn when playing inside. Not at a 130-225 rev rate. And as you can see by the scores I posted...once my second arrow area dries up...I gotta ball down because I have nowhere to go. If I move anywhere left of say 8 boards (left of center on my approach)....I might as well just save myself the effort and throw it directly at the 6-pin...because it's not coming back.

I'm surprised that someone who overthinks every situation can't figure out the cause for a ball to quit hooking when you make a small move left.

There is one rule of physics applying in both cases.

When you see the light, you'll realize how "easy" the've made the lanes.

I think as a new bowler, you should learn on a sport condition rather than the THS.

Once you get close on a THS, the learning tends to quit, and there are significant parts of the game you never learn.

Based on your description of the synthetic lanes at Concourse, it sounds like they are using the same oil pattern as they were on wood.

You sense little oil, because you're playing were there is little oil.

You commented how you felt there was a groove at the 2nd arrow that would take the ball to the pocket.

Thats called an oil line. Plenty to the left, little to the right. It acts like a funnel if you have some side turn on the ball.

If you happen to have the right amount of side turn to get from the end of the pattern, at the oil line, to the pocket, your scores will go way up.

If you don't happen to have the right amount, it can be 10 pin hell.

[Mudpuppy]

This was the funniest thing on here in awhile....thanks for the laugh!

I do my best :) I'm here all week, try the veal and tip your waiters and waitresses {insert drum roll}

And wouldn't it be a blast if we could get a BB private jet and meet in a remote location for a weekend of bowling and general chaos? Aslan start playing the lottery


I like it. "Internet" is over-used. Like calling Twitter "Tweeter"…it's the new IN thing.

I'm a trend-setter Mr. White. A leader, not a follower.

Ruling of the cliff-notes master - INTERWEB stands. I like it. I use it just to be an a-hole. Interweb it is.

[noeymc]

Technically it's not a drop, although it sure sounds like one.

What is happening is my release is occurring before the ball has entered the "flat spot" so when I'm completely out of the ball, the ball is still headed in the downward direction.

It has a negative effect on speed control, so it's something I'm going to work on this summer.

If you notice, on my spare shots, my release is different (no elbow bend) because I'm not trying to make the ball roll.

On a spare ball, if it makes a noise, I either actually dropped it, or lofted it into Aslanville.

releasing it early xD

[Mudpuppy]

I was inspired by Aslan talking about instructional videos so I decided to leak some secret footage from my training facility - this is how I am preparing for the May 2014 #VBT. Dedicated to the greatest human on the planet - Mr. Mike White ladies and gentlemen:


https://vimeo.com/96002808

[Blacksox1]

Wow, saw it first ! Ha ha ha, will watch again !

[Mudpuppy]

lol, can't get perfect at spray canning no targeting the ball without practice. This, my friends, is a first hand look at the technology used in training that you won't see in the general public for at least 10 years. Cutting edge would be an understatement. I would release a video of my mental training but I haven't figured out how to video tape inside my mind.

[Mudpuppy]

Early morning training session in the secret training lab today. Heading out at lunch to bowl my 3 games on 2 different lanes.

[vdubtx]

LOL :cool: Nice Mudpuppy!!

[Aslan]

A) I have to admit that took some decent video skills, imagination, and pizazz...so I applaud it.
B) I'm thinking if MWhite could go back in time...he'd change his reference to "sparaying" at this point. Mudpuppy seems very, very anti-constructive criticism.
C) I sincerely hope my instructional video will be at the LEAST 120x as informative.

[Mudpuppy]

A) I have to admit that took some decent video skills, imagination, and pizazz...so I applaud it.
B) I'm thinking if MWhite could go back in time...he'd change his reference to "sparaying" at this point. Mudpuppy seems very, very anti-constructive criticism.
C) I sincerely hope my instructional video will be at the LEAST 120x as informative.

Cliff Notes: LMAO.

Your perspective is always entertaining to me. Not laughing at you, laughing with you type of thing. Like you are my brother from another mother in the sarcasm wit department. It takes great skill to wield these verbal daggers. The thing that I like to do is saturation. If I find something to focus on I will turn an ant hill into Mt. Everest. That's how I do. He said spray canning. I went with it. Just having some fun trying to open up Mike's sense of humor - I know it's in there somewhere. If he has a problem with it I will drop it and move on to something or someone else. I know you can take some back and forth Aslan without getting too up tight.

[Mike White]

A) I have to admit that took some decent video skills, imagination, and pizazz...so I applaud it.
B) I'm thinking if MWhite could go back in time...he'd change his reference to "sparaying" at this point. Mudpuppy seems very, very anti-constructive criticism.
C) I sincerely hope my instructional video will be at the LEAST 120x as informative.

Nope, spray can was 100% accurate.

[Mike White]

Cliff Notes: LMAO.

Your perspective is always entertaining to me. Not laughing at you, laughing with you type of thing. Like you are my brother from another mother in the sarcasm wit department. It takes great skill to wield these verbal daggers. The thing that I like to do is saturation. If I find something to focus on I will turn an ant hill into Mt. Everest. That's how I do. He said spray canning. I went with it. Just having some fun trying to open up Mike's sense of humor - I know it's in there somewhere. If he has a problem with it I will drop it and move on to something or someone else. I know you can take some back and forth Aslan without getting too up tight.

Seems when I do it, you call it verbal venom.

I guess you're all spoon, and no fork.

[Mudpuppy]

Foreword: Well I went and bowled my May VBT session yesterday afternoon. The stars were definitely aligned unfortunately I did not take advantage. I planned on leaving work at 3:30 to pick up the kids and take them with me. I left a little later so time was a bit of a factor. But right before I left I checked the bowling alleys website - it said closed. I decided to call to make sure and they answered and said yes they were open and had "some" lanes. I was a bit concerned by this statement but I went anyways. Picked up my 5 year old, went home, changed, grabbed my gear, picked up my 8 year old and headed to the lanes.

Introduction: They were having a tournament but it seemed they didn't get the turnout they hoped for so the tourney only took up about 10 lanes. The bowling alley is quite large - about 50 lanes I think. So it was no problem getting 2 lanes. And I didn't even have to ask because they put me down near the end on lanes 3 and 4 without really any other open bowlers around me - next set of lanes being used was like 9 and 10. So that was good. Unfortunately since they were technically closed today I couldn't use the 2 free games coupon for the kids from the kidsbowlfree.com website. But they have a summer special $10 a lane per hour. And ironically I had an hour to get my practice game and 3 games in so it worked out.

Meat and Taters: I bowled my practice game and let the 2 kids bowl - about half way through I realized there is no way I could bowl 3 more games and let the kids bowl 3 with me. The lanes were prime. Nice fresh oil. I know the alley because it is about 2 miles from my house. I bowled there once or twice a long time ago. Really nice lanes. People there are 5 star super accommodating - no issues with setting up 2 lanes in league format switching back and forth. No issues with printout after my bowling session (sent via email to you Aslan). We even had a waitress get us some pops so the kids were happy. Everything was great about yesterday - except my bowling.

I had streaks of consistency and nice shots - which kept my series in the ok range - but I struggled at some critical moments. It was a marathon of bowling to say the least. After the practice game - tried both balls to see how they worked - I removed the 2 kids from bowling and they were extremely well behaved and patient. I told them they could bowl another game if there was time left after my bowling so they were good with that. But ultimately in practice I decided the Melee was the better ball - at least I was throwing it better. The First Blood just didn't seem to be working that well for me. Some of the struggle I had was related to rushing through my 3 game series - not my style of bowling. I prefer to take my time but I wanted to make sure I got my 3 games in, the kids could bowl another game and I had to pick up my 9 week old son by 6pm (I actually rolled up to daycare at 5:58pm - talk about cutting it close). Totally my fault for not sticking to the plan and leaving work at 3:30pm or sooner. Next month I definitely have to make sure I have more time - lesson learned.

But I still had fun with it and definitely last month and this month have been my best open bowling to date. I typically bowl bad in open bowling but with the incentive of the VBT it made it more like league bowling - a mental issue for me personally.

Conclusion: The positives yesterday definitely outweighed the ultimate scores I achieved. Quality time with the kids doing something fun. Great lanes - actually I am contemplating joining a league there in the fall after bowling there yesterday. Great service by the staff. All in all A+ experience. Thanks again Mr. Aslan for coming up with this VBT format. As as said before it was a brilliant idea. I took video of practice and all 3 games so I will throw something together to post up when I get time - today at work should be slow so with any luck I can throw together a 5 minute or less video.

[Aslan]

Cliff Notes: Paragraphs. Too many kids. Aslan is great.

[Aslan]

Now if ZDawg would stop dragging his @$$, maybe we could post some scores. :p

And SERIOUSLY. I made an exception to pre-pick centers for Jeral and tcc so they could bowl early given their upcoming pro tournament schedule or some Oklahoma non-sense...yet they haven't submitted scores yet. I bowled like May 4th so I could have mine out of the way...still NOTHING from the Oklahoma contingent. As if there's ANYTHING else to do in Oklahoma.

[Mudpuppy]

Cliff Notes: Paragraphs. Too many kids. Aslan is great.

Yeah some breaks might help in the reading but I was typing fast - deal with it or fix it yourself.

Practice video is done - just have to upload if my internet at home works tonight (unlike last night).

I was going to do the same as last month - 1 video practice and all 3 games but had too much fun with the practice video so with the training video May will be a trilogy.

[Aslan]

Yeah some breaks might help in the reading but I was typing fast - deal with it or fix it yourself.

Practice video is done - just have to upload if my internet at home works tonight (unlike last night).

I was going to do the same as last month - 1 video practice and all 3 games but had too much fun with the practice video so with the training video May will be a trilogy.

A) I don't have the power to edit other people's posts. I have asked for it repeatedly though.
B) Yet another reason NOT to live in Michigan…poor internet service. Too many trees falling on the lines.

[Blacksox1]

A) I don't have the power to edit other people's posts. I have asked for it repeatedly though.


Why would you want that power?

[Aslan]

Why would you want that power?

1) To add spaces and paragraphs to Hammer and Mudpuppys ramblings.

2) To add, "but obviously I hate Aslan" to the end of all of Bowl1820's posts.

3) To add, "but obviously I defer to Aslan's experience and teaching prowess" to all of Rob's posts.

4) To limit MWhite to only 2 excuses per defeat.

5) To fix noeymc's posts to make them readable.

6) To insert the statement; "this is where he keeps writing despite the meds wearing off" into Iceman's long posts where suddenly they take a right turn into some weird acid trip.

7) And "Other" for all reasons that haven't occurred to me.

Thats like asking God "why would you want to strike people down with lightening?"

[bowl1820]

2) To add, "but obviously I hate Aslan" to the end of all of Bowl1820's posts.


You might think your being funny with these little pokes at me, but your not.

You need to Stop it.

[Mudpuppy]

My previous post has been edited - I hope it is to your standards Mr. Placebo Moderator de facto.

Anyhooters - more important. For your edification and amusement my latest VBT video. I hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoyed making it:


https://vimeo.com/96256284

Video of my 3 games forthcoming...Although I guess I need to wait until Z Dawg finally bowls to post it.

[Aslan]

I like the music better.

[noeymc]

ur kids seem to really like bowling

[MICHAEL]

Enjoyed watching the excitement and fun they had with DAD! Cut kids,,,, your wife must be BEAUTIFUL,,,, had to get them looks from somewhere??? LOL You boy made some great shots!! You daughter is cute as a Bunkin!! lol I wish My dad would have gotten me started bowing at their age!
A family that bowls together, bowls together!!!!! LOL thanks for the sharing!

[zdawg]

Now if ZDawg would stop dragging his @$$, maybe we could post some scores.

Sorry, I was taking 3 weeks off in between leagues to hopefully let my arm heal up a little better, but I was able to bowl last night for the first night of my summer league and didn't have very much pain. Also, was trying to make sure Oceanside wasn't a raging inferno when I went up there with all the wildfires lately :(

So I'll be driving up there tomorrow since they have cheap deals on Sunday, you should have my scores by tomorrow evening

On another note, I got a call yesterday letting me know that our contract was back on so I won't be moving back east anytime soon, so no need to go through lists of DC alleys for me next month :cool::cool::cool:

[tccstudent]

On another note, I got a call yesterday letting me know that our contract was back on so I won't be moving back east anytime soon, so no need to go through lists of DC alleys for me next month :cool::cool::cool:

I feel for you I bet that just pisses you off that you have to stay in So Cal. I think I would rather live in Alaska or Bosnia or just about anywhere than to have to live there.

[zdawg]

I feel for you I bet that just pisses you off that you have to stay in So Cal. I think I would rather live in Alaska or Bosnia or just about anywhere than to have to live there.

Yep gotta admit, yearlong sunshine, proximity to beaches, and attractive women in bikinis, its a rough life but someone has to do it :p

[tccstudent]

yeah but dont forget wildfires, earthquakes, high cost of living, smog, HELMET LAW
Sunshine gets old some people perfer to actually have seasons.

[classygranny]

Yep gotta admit, yearlong sunshine, proximity to beaches, and attractive women in bikinis, its a rough life but someone has to do it :p

Yeah right...we're in So Cal right now and I'm freezing my butt off! Ready to go back to my "dry heat"!

[Mike White]

yeah but dont forget wildfires, earthquakes, high cost of living, smog, HELMET LAW
Sunshine gets old some people perfer to actually have seasons.

We have seasons, we just choose to skip the bad ones.

I have two words that explain the need for helmet laws..... Gary Busey

What we seem to lack, is tornados.

[zdawg]

yeah but dont forget wildfires, earthquakes, high cost of living, smog, HELMET LAW
Sunshine gets old some people perfer to actually have seasons.

Well, I still have yet to feel a single earthquake, but I live in downtown San Diego so that's pretty common vs. farther north. Also, wildfires are pretty non-existant where I live, since there really is nothing but asphalt and concrete buildings (like any other downtown area). And while I certainly don't miss seasons, most notably winter, I do miss occasional thunderstorms.

And as far as high cost of living, I was paying 10% - 30% more living in DC and NYC, the thing is I'm a city boy born and raised and always will be, so no matter where I live the cost of living will always be astronomical.

[MICHAEL]

yeah but dont forget wildfires, earthquakes, high cost of living, smog, HELMET LAW
Sunshine gets old some people perfer to actually have seasons.

I was in an earthquake while living in Modesto,,, it was a few hundred miles away, but it shook the house! Cost of living in Modesto was about the same as Kansas City as far as Wal-Mart, Food, Clothing ect ect. ONLY THING SUPER HIGH IN CA was Real-estate, Rent, and ENERGY,,,( GAS)!

Helmet laws sucked, but then we have that here in Missouri, but just across the State Line into Kansas, NO HELMET LAWS! I can't figure that, as backwards as Kansas is? We didn't have the Smog on our side, of the Hills. Some places much better then others in that regards.

All in all ,,,, I enjoyed my 6 years in Ca,,,, Did a lot of Biking on my Goldwing. Mountains to my East, and Ocean to my West. Just wish I would of taken up the sport of bowing while living there. Modesto had a couple cool looking bowling alleys, I never threw one BALL at that time, just wasen't that interested in the game... more into golf!

NOW JUST TO OPPOSITE!! LOL

[MICHAEL]

We have seasons, we just choose to skip the bad ones.

I have two words that explain the need for helmet laws..... Gary Busey

What we seem to lack, is tornados.

Maybe ONE NAME,,,, ( Aslan )!! LOL

[Mudpuppy]

Enjoyed watching the excitement and fun they had with DAD! Cut kids,,,, your wife must be BEAUTIFUL,,,, had to get them looks from somewhere??? LOL You boy made some great shots!! You daughter is cute as a Bunkin!! lol I wish My dad would have gotten me started bowing at their age!
A family that bowls together, bowls together!!!!! LOL thanks for the sharing!

LOL - yes thank God for Mommy's good looks. They really enjoy getting out and bowling. I have a rule with my son - no bumpers. He's starting to pick it up a bit. He even tries a little bit of a hook sometimes. I'm going to keep him at it so when he gets a little older I can get him a finger tipped ball, etc. My daughter is a little firecracker, if you couldn't tell.

[Aslan]

so no need to go through lists of DC alleys for me next month :cool::cool::cool:

Thank God for that. After making the list for JAnderson…the East Coast SUCKS for making those lists…because the states are so close together you have to spend about 3-5x the effort. Especially DC.


yeah but dont forget wildfires, earthquakes, high cost of living, smog, HELMET LAW
Sunshine gets old some people perfer to actually have seasons.

Wildfires- Yeah, if you live in a forest.

Earthquakes- I've experienced about 5-6 in the 3 years I've been here…worst thats happened is a small knick knack fell off a shelf and it's arm broke off and I had to glue it. Greatly over-rated.

Cost of Living- True. But I make 32-52% more in salary than I did in the Midwest to cover it.

Smog- Actually SoCal has lost 1st place in smog to Houston/Dallas area. Apparently Texas's pro-business climate has a small drawback.

Helmet Laws- If you ride a motorcycle without a helmet…you deserve to live on a feeding tube the rest of your life. We shouldn't need seatbelt and helmet laws to make people use/wear them. It should be a self preservation instinct.

Seasons- I spent 30 years with rain all spring, 80 degree 100% humidity summers, nice falls, and 30 degree winters. I'll trade the nice falls and occasional white Christmas for never having to scrape ice off my windshield ever again.

[noeymc]

aslan do u ride a bike? nothing beats riding with out a helmet on a nice night just saying

also i live in ohio i would trade my weather with anyone ive woken up to it snowing then it stoped then it rained and at 5 in the afternoon it was 75 degrees out side next morning it was snowing again so yea i would love to have a more simple weather system going over head

[zdawg]

Ok, my scores have been sent to Aslan, and in case anybody wants a preview Game 1 was crap so for Game 2 I went ahead and bowled my highest score ever. Not a 300 by any means, but I'm slowly inching closer.

[Aslan]

aslan do u ride a bike? nothing beats riding with out a helmet on a nice night just saying

I've ridden motorcycles since I was about 9. Suzuki 80, Kawasaki 100, Honda 250, Honda 1100/1200, and now a Honda 750V4. And yes…it is sometimes nice to ride without a helmet…especially in 106 degree weather or when you have your hair all combed nice for a date and you don't want the helmet to smash it.

BUT…many, many things are "nice"…but we don't do them because they carry too much risk. I don't have a problem with people not wearing helmets…but unfortunately in this country our medical system has an inherent duty to provide care for people even if those people get hurt by doing completely stupid things. If people want to ride without helmets…they should simply be forced to sign a waiver that if they are severely hurt they will get no life saving treatment and their useable organs given to smarter people that need them. If that were the case…I'd say ride without a helmet…ride without a jacket…ride without pants…who cares?

[Aslan]

Ok, my scores have been sent to Aslan, and in case anybody wants a preview Game 1 was crap so for Game 2 I went ahead and bowled my highest score ever. Not a 300 by any means, but I'm slowly inching closer.

Updated.

Thus far, of the posted scores…VDub grabs another 3 points to give him 6 thus far and Bunny only has 2 after two months. Still plenty of time left though with 4 more months before the finals. And after Mudpuppy got off to a torrid start last month…ZDawg put the hammer down in month 2 taking all 4 points. And Aslan takes advantage of an off-night by Jeral to get even getting all 4 points.

Also…CLOSEST MATCH YET as Stormed and TCC dual in games that were each decided by 3 or less pins and a 4-pin difference in totals!

Also….as we wait to see if tr33frog is still alive and to see if J-Dilly might actually participate this month…after finding out JAnderson has bowed out this month…noeymc added to his tour leading point total with a devastating defeat of classy granny.

Of reported scores (where both parties reported):
noeymc: 8 points (6) and takes (most improved average)
Stormed1: 6 points (3)
VDub: 6 points (3) and still the (overall scratch pin fall lead)
zdawg: 5 points (5)
Aslan: 4 points (3)
tccstudent: 4 points (4)
Jeral999ok: 3 points (5)
Mudpuppy: 3 points (4)
Bunny: 2 points (4)
classygranny: 1 point (1)

"Games Above Average" in ( ).

For detailed scores, go to the virtual tour standings page.

[Mudpuppy]

Good stuff - good work Zdawg.

My philosophy on motorcycles is ALL GEAR ALL THE TIME. Whether it is 20 degrees out or 120 degrees full leathers, helmet, gloves, boots, etc.

[Mike White]

Updated.

Thus far, of the posted scores…VDub grabs another 3 points to give him 6 thus far and Bunny only has 2 after two months. Still plenty of time left though with 4 more months before the finals. And after Mudpuppy got off to a torrid start last month…ZDawg put the hammer down in month 2 taking all 4 points. And Aslan takes advantage of an off-night by Jeral to get even getting all 4 points.

Of reported scores (where both parties reported):
VDub: 6 points (3) and still the (overall scratch pin fall lead)
zdawg: 5 points (5) and takes (most improved average).
Aslan: 4 points (3)
Jeral999ok: 3 points (5)
Mudpuppy: 3 points (4)
Bunny: 2 points (4)

"Games Above Average" in ( ).

For detailed scores, go to the virtual tour standings page.

How do you call it an off-night by Jeral, yet give him credit for all 3 games above average?

I think we need clarification on what is considered a "game above average".

vdubtx shot 215 while using a 215 average, and 214 while using a 214 average, and did not appear to be credited with those games being above average, so you must mean above, not at or above.

However, giving Jeral 3 games above average this month is questionable.

The first month he used 174 as an average, and shot games of 195, 222, 161. So that is clearly 2 games over average.

The second month he used an average of 183 and shot games of 189, 178, 194, which appears to only be 2 games over average for a total of 4, yet you list 5.

That is also consistent with Mudpuppy.

The first month he used an average of 190, with scores of 254, 157, 222, clearly 2 games over.

The second month he used an average of 200, with scores of 204, 175, 198, looks like 1 game over, yet you have his total listed as 4.

Did I mention I dislike back doors?

[Amyers]

I would love to participate in this when the next one starts. This is a great idea.

[Mudpuppy]

I would love to participate in this when the next one starts. This is a great idea.

Sign him up Aslan.

This is only month 3 coming up so still time to get involved and have a chance to win it all.

[Aslan]

How do you call it an off-night by Jeral, yet give him credit for all 3 games above average?
Because I think Jeral's average is a bit "low" and he's actually a much better bowler than that. But you are correct...Jeral continues to bowl above his starting average...so he's not that "off". But lets focus on how awesome I am, not how good/bad Jeral is. :cool:


I think we need clarification on what is considered a "game above average".
Yes. Thats a good idea.

"Games Above Average" is the total number of games (max of 3 per week) that you bowl ABOVE your STARTING AVERAGE. Not equal to...not above your current/adjusted average...but ABOVE your STARTING average.

At the end of the qualifying period (end of August); whomever has the MOST games above average will earn a seat in the tournament regardless of their point total. HOWEVER...if the person with most games above average is already IN the tournament due to points total (which is likely)...then most games above average won't matter (the seat doesn't fall to the next highest total of games above average).

Ties will be broken, like all the other ties, by scratch total pin fall.

As I've said before, it is unlikely the person with the highest total of "games above average" will NOT have a top half point total...so it probably isn't going to matter.


Did I mention I dislike back doors?
I figured you were just saying that to be macho.

[Aslan]

Sign him up Aslan.

This is only month 3 coming up so still time to get involved and have a chance to win it all.

If he wants to join, we have a sign-up thread (somewhere) and he's free to sign up giving me the required information. If he does it before June 1st...we'll get him in next month...even if I have to work with him a bit in early June to get the center list/assignement figured out.

[Mudpuppy]

Here is the sign up thread: http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/16509-1st-Annual-Bowlingboards-com-Virtual-Bowling-Tour-Sign-Up-Thread

[Aslan]

Center assignments and pairings for JUNE are already posted in the Virtual Tour General Information thread.

Averages and Standings to follow once the month of May closes out.

[Aslan]

Updated.

Thus far, of the posted scores…VDub grabs another 3 points to give him 6 thus far and Bunny only has 2 after two months. Still plenty of time left though with 4 more months before the finals. And after Mudpuppy got off to a torrid start last month…ZDawg put the hammer down in month 2 taking all 4 points. And Aslan takes advantage of an off-night by Jeral to get even getting all 4 points.

Also…CLOSEST MATCH YET as Stormed and TCC dual in games that were each decided by 3 or less pins and a 4-pin difference in totals!

Of reported scores (where both parties reported):
Stormed1: 6 points (3)
VDub: 6 points (3) and still the (overall scratch pin fall lead)
zdawg: 5 points (5) and takes (most improved average).
Aslan: 4 points (3)
tccstudent: 4 points (4)
Jeral999ok: 3 points (5)
Mudpuppy: 3 points (4)
Bunny: 2 points (4)

"Games Above Average" in ( ).

For detailed scores, go to the virtual tour standings page.
Another update.

[J Anderson]

I have come to the realization that I do not have time to compete in virtual reality and hereby withdraw from the competition. Perhaps next year, if there is another participant within reasonable driving distance, I'll be more motivated to find the time.

[Aslan]

I have come to the realization that I do not have time to compete in virtual reality and hereby withdraw from the competition. Perhaps next year, if there is another participant within reasonable driving distance, I'll be more motivated to find the time.

Well, on the good side…your opponent tr33frog has been AWOL since the start so you and he actually tie unless he makes a surprise appearance.

I won't take anyone off the list of participants. Once you sign up…you're IN!! Two reasons:

1) If you're in…then change your mind….then change your mind again…then…etc… This way…you change your mind…you'll have a center selected and ready to…and an average, etc…

2) The final tournament is set up as 1/2 of participants. If we remove people…then theoretically a person could miss out on the finals simply because a couple people pulled out.

If you don't participate…it's your average + handicap (minus 10) and you're not eligible for points earned that month.

[Aslan]

Updated.

Thus far, of the posted scores…VDub grabs another 3 points to give him 6 thus far and Bunny only has 2 after two months. Still plenty of time left though with 4 more months before the finals. And after Mudpuppy got off to a torrid start last month…ZDawg put the hammer down in month 2 taking all 4 points. And Aslan takes advantage of an off-night by Jeral to get even getting all 4 points.

Also…CLOSEST MATCH YET as Stormed and TCC dual in games that were each decided by 3 or less pins and a 4-pin difference in totals!

Also….as we wait to see if tr33frog is still alive and to see if J-Dilly might actually participate this month…after finding out JAnderson has bowed out this month…noeymc added to his tour leading point total with a devastating defeat of classy granny.

Of reported scores (where both parties reported):
noeymc: 8 points (6) and takes (most improved average)
Stormed1: 6 points (3)
VDub: 6 points (3) and still the (overall scratch pin fall lead)
zdawg: 5 points (5)
Aslan: 4 points (3)
tccstudent: 4 points (4)
Jeral999ok: 3 points (5)
Mudpuppy: 3 points (4)
Bunny: 2 points (4)
classygranny: 1 point (1)

"Games Above Average" in ( ).

For detailed scores, go to the virtual tour standings page.

About 2 more hours till this month's deadline. JAnderson said he's out (at least this month) and tr33frog was a no-show last month and probably will be again. So it's really a question of will J-Dilly play this month. He missed last month but did stop in this month to select centers…so I'll give him the 2 hours.

After 2 months…a person on the outside looking in has to wonder, should we have had a male and female division?? Or are women just inherently smarter and know when to sandbag and when to turn it on?

Looking at the scores thus far…definitely an improvement in May over April…and I gotta think thats at least in part due to the less random center selection process. Now that people are a little more "comfortable"…gonna be harder to knock them off their games.

But…with arguably 3 players MIA (and thus accruing ZERO points)…even with our new participant in June…we're looking at EIGHT spots open for the finals tourney…and only 12 players actually playing…3/4 of participants would make the finals tourney.

[Aslan]

Posted updated full standings (in the standings section).

Centers, physical pairings, and virtual pairings are already posted for June. (general information section)

Soon to post averages (in general information section).

[Mike White]

Posted updated full standings (in the standings section).

Centers, physical pairings, and virtual pairings are already posted for June. (general information section)

Soon to post averages (in general information section).

Have you posted the actual scores people shot for month #2?

[Aslan]

Have you posted the actual scores people shot for month #2?

Yes. Standings section.

[vdubtx]

Have you posted the actual scores people shot for month #2?
Mike, it's in an edited post from May 24th. I was confuzzled as I am sure you were about the actual scores, but finally found it by going back a page.

[Aslan]

Mike, it's in an edited post from May 24th. I was confuzzled as I am sure you were about the actual scores, but finally found it by going back a page.

Yeah. It's annoying. It would be ideal if I had the ability to "sticky" certain things so they are always at the top of the message list or board. But since Im updating stuff and then people are commenting...it tends to bury some of the posts. I often try to "quote" them so they get bumped that way...but I didn't want to keep quoting the partial standings becase then that gets confusing as well.

[tccstudent]

Is there a way that Bowl1820 can make a read only thread where only certain people can have permission to post in it in order to keep the standings, center assignments, and scores easier to access

[Hampe]

If only you were using google docs spreadsheet like I suggested before....you could post a link in your signature, or on any page you wanted to....

Or you wouldn't even have to post it at all since people would already know where to go look and see the lastest scores/standings.

You could even do lane assignments that way, and just post the two links in the first post of this thread.

[Mudpuppy]

If only you were using google docs spreadsheet like I suggested before....you could post a link in your signature, or on any page you wanted to....

Or you wouldn't even have to post it at all since people would already know where to go look and see the lastest scores/standings.

You could even do lane assignments that way, and just post the two links in the first post of this thread.

Sorry my fault - been busy haven't had time to look into it. Will soon.

[Aslan]

Or you wouldn't even have to post it at all since people would already know where to go look and see the lastest scores/standings.


Oh yeah...I'm sure THAT question would go away! NOT! Assuming people will "already know something"....not a solid assumption. They're still learning that there are like 4-5 different VBT threads...and it's been 3 months.

[vdubtx]

Oh yeah...I'm sure THAT question would go away! NOT! Assuming people will "already know something"....not a solid assumption. They're still learning that there are like 4-5 different VBT threads...and it's been 3 months.

Hampe's point was to simplify which you obviously don't like to do. :p:o

Could easily condense at minimum 3-4 threads of information into a Google spreadsheet, with scores, standings, pairings and centers each should bowl in pretty simply I would think.

But hey, like you said; this is your tournament to run so have at it. I am only a participant. :cool:

[Aslan]

Could easily condense at minimum 3-4 threads of information into a Google spreadsheet, with scores, standings, pairings and centers each should bowl in pretty simply I would think.

But hey, like you said; this is your tournament to run so have at it. I am only a participant. :cool:

I let Mudpuppy handle all that stuff. He's my secretary/IT person. I just handle the executive level stuff and high level parties and what not.

[Mudpuppy]

I let Mudpuppy handle all that stuff. He's my secretary/IT person. I just handle the executive level stuff and high level parties and what not.

Sorry been busy - will try and get to it ASAP so that people can see it all in one place. Attempted once and failed due to poor format using excel sheets. I will google doc it up and get it up here. Just will need some help Aslan confirming some info once I get the format down.

[Mudpuppy]

Ok Mr. Aslan Supreme - I shared the original document (well spreadsheet) with you on Google docs - sent it to your email. Let me know if you can access and then if you can email me the data I can update the sheets or feel free to update. And if you want the format modified or information or whatever feel free - that was a first draft. So we can get updated for first 2 months and have it ready to update ASAP at the end of June. But in the meantime you can put into your signature and people can access instantaneously.

[Aslan]

Ok Mr. Aslan Supreme - I shared the original document (well spreadsheet) with you on Google docs - sent it to your email. Let me know if you can access and then if you can email me the data I can update the sheets or feel free to update. And if you want the format modified or information or whatever feel free - that was a first draft. So we can get updated for first 2 months and have it ready to update ASAP at the end of June. But in the meantime you can put into your signature and people can access instantaneously.

I'll try to take a look at it tonight. Thx.

[Mudpuppy]

I'll try to take a look at it tonight. Thx.

It should at least be a starting point - test # 1 - can you access the file. Then from there we can figure out how to centralize the data in the best most readable format(s). Thank you and good night.

[vdubtx]

VBT Scores for the month of June have been submitted to Aslan's email. :cool:

[Aslan]

VBT Scores for the month of June have been submitted to Aslan's email. :cool:

Gold star to VDUB for being the FIRST!!

Actually, honorable mention to me and Bunny. We TRIED to bowl Wednesday but the open bowling ended at 7PM so we weren't able to bowl more than practice and a game so we're planning to go back and try again, start earlier next week. It sucks too because I was really, really ON that day for some reason...I think I'd have had a good series. Oh well.

Mud- Wasn't able to check the Google spreadsheet thingamagadgit last night. Had to update my office software then the wife needed the laptop to print something to I just went to bed and said, "screw it". I'll mess with it tonight.

[Aslan]

And if you want the format modified or information or whatever feel free - that was a first draft.

Give me your email address via PM (I keep forgetting who is who). There are actually like 3 "Pauls" believe it or not.

Anyways, I'll send you the information sheet by sheet.

To make it easiest, we could have 3 sheets:

- Participants
- Standings
- Current Pairings

Participants will have all participants by username and will include things like USBC number, home center(s), home location, starting averages/handicap.

The Standings sheet will list all participants, their points, their games above average, their scratch pin total, current average, current handicap, and increase/decrease versus starting average.

The Current Pairings sheet which will show the current virtual pairings, assigned centers, averages, and handicap.

I'll send you an Excel sheet one at a time with the information…I'll try to organize it so it's a simple cut and paste…and then you can make it look pretty or whatever you like.

[Mudpuppy]

Give me your email address via PM (I keep forgetting who is who). There are actually like 3 "Pauls" believe it or not.

Anyways, I'll send you the information sheet by sheet.

To make it easiest, we could have 3 sheets:

- Participants
- Standings
- Current Pairings

Participants will have all participants by username and will include things like USBC number, home center(s), home location, starting averages/handicap.

The Standings sheet will list all participants, their points, their games above average, their scratch pin total, current average, current handicap, and increase/decrease versus starting average.

The Current Pairings sheet which will show the current virtual pairings, assigned centers, averages, and handicap.

I'll send you an Excel sheet one at a time with the information…I'll try to organize it so it's a simple cut and paste…and then you can make it look pretty or whatever you like.

Email addy sent via pm, over

[circlecity]

Are people who are not in the VBT but still would like to follow it locked out of updates, standing, scores or information? Or are you going to post that on boards.

thank you

[Aslan]

Are people who are not in the VBT but still would like to follow it locked out of updates, standing, scores or information? Or are you going to post that on boards.

thank you

It's already out there on the boards, free of charge and open to everyone.

Just search for "virtual tour standings" and you'll find the updated standings. As for last months scores, they are either there or in this thread somewhere…but I think they are in the standings thread as well. Plus, Mudpuppy is working on a google spreadsheet where the updated scores will be in a more readable format.

[vdubtx]

Are people who are not in the VBT but still would like to follow it locked out of updates, standing, scores or information? Or are you going to post that on boards.

thank you

http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/16610-BowlingBoards-Virtual-Tour-2014-Standings/page6

Post 58 on this thread has May scores. Overall standings are in same thread, on page 7.

[Mudpuppy]

I received the participant list from someone other than Aslan and there were more sheets to follow but didn't get anything yet. Not sure Aslan if the test worked - were you able to access the sheets I put on Google docs? Didn't matter the content just that you could access. So not sure who is working on what now. I can work on Google docs but I will need all the updated info - I could search these threads or you could just email me the data in whatever format you have it to make it easier. I will be traveling Saturday for 1 week going to Italy so:

1. I need to get my bowling in - not sure when
2. I will have time to work on the docs if I have the data before then

[Aslan]

I received the participant list from someone other than Aslan and there were more sheets to follow but didn't get anything yet. Not sure Aslan if the test worked - were you able to access the sheets I put on Google docs? Didn't matter the content just that you could access. So not sure who is working on what now. I can work on Google docs but I will need all the updated info - I could search these threads or you could just email me the data in whatever format you have it to make it easier. I will be traveling Saturday for 1 week going to Italy so:

1. I need to get my bowling in - not sure when
2. I will have time to work on the docs if I have the data before then

Thats weird. I sent you the participants list Monday night.

I can access the document, just can't change anything.

There's no rush. At this point it's a "nice to have" and we'll improve it when we get a chance. Until then, the pairings, standings, participants, etc... can all be found relatively easily by going to the appropriate pages.

I'll try to send the spreadsheet again tonight. Check your spam box or junk mailbox to make sure it didn't get diverted.

[Aslan]

Haven't gotten many scores sent in as of yet for June…but regardless, I have posted center assignments and pairings for July.

[noeymc]

not going to beable to bowl been very very busy this month

[Amyers]

Haven't gotten many scores sent in as of yet for June…but regardless, I have posted center assignments and pairings for July. I've got mine done will send to you in the morning

[Aslan]

not going to beable to bowl been very very busy this month
I doubt you'll be the only one. I think I have 4-5 scores turned in for June thus far.

[fortheloveofbowling]

Aslan, This is a really cool thing you have set up. You deserve alot of credit for promoting the game. Good job man!

[Aslan]

Aslan, This is a really cool thing you have set up. You deserve alot of credit for promoting the game. Good job man!

Ironically, you're saying that during the month when we likely lost more than half our participants due to too many other summer activities…but thanks.

And I'll say it again, the website deserves the real credit since they reached out to me and encouraged me to give it a shot.

Hopefully it'll be a positive. Hopefully get people to try different centers. Establish a bit more of a connection amongst BBers. Or, other side of the coin, might be a thing that in 7 months people laugh about and say, "remember that stupid virtual tournament thing that weird guy Aslan tried to start…he was such a dingbat!" Hard to say at this point.

Oh…and poor Amyers…guess who he drew for July??! Uh oh…I gotta battle a fellow wood lane bowler….and I got no wood lanes!!! I sure hope it comes down to spare shooting!!!

:cool:

[Amyers]

Looking Forward too it!!!! I think Galaxy is still wood it has been a while since I have been in there they hosted the State Tournament this year. Was going to bowl there back in April but you couldn't even get on the parking lot with the tourney going on. The guy that owns it now operated the pro shop where I got my first ball.

[Mudpuppy]

Haven't gotten many scores sent in as of yet for June…but regardless, I have posted center assignments and pairings for July.

Just got back from Italy and behind the 8 ball big time. Going to try and get mine in today. Hopefully they are open today.

[Mudpuppy]

This is going to be tough today - do I have a "doctor's appointment" this afternoon and go at lunch after getting back from a 1 week business trip or do I attempt to go downtown and bowl at say 10pm tonight? I'll figure something out - this would have really helped to have Super Bowl this month and not Garden but hey it is what it is. June for me was 1 baptism, 1 first communion, 1 high school graduation and 1 week in Italy. So busy would be an understatement.

[classygranny]

Just got back from Italy and behind the 8 ball big time. Going to try and get mine in today. Hopefully they are open today.

WHAT??? Italy was more important than VBT?

Hope you enjoyed the trip. I would love to go there...someday.

[Mudpuppy]

WHAT??? Italy was more important than VBT?

Hope you enjoyed the trip. I would love to go there...someday.

lol - that and my 50 kids. Was busy every single minute in June. Squeaked in my series today - wasn't easy. Did ok. Just glad I was able to get it in. Italy was fantastic - and my company paid for it. Even better. I highly recommend going. I am going back on vacation in the near future.

[Mudpuppy]

Aslan my scores are sent. Let me know if you don't get them.

It was a fun experience overall. Sucks that the main freeway to Detroit is under construction. Parking of course sucks downtown. The people are completely clueless. Took a bit to explain I wanted 2 lanes league style. When I asked for a print out you would have thought I was asking them to borrow a million dollars. I was completely on borrowed time and I was not going to take my good camera to Detroit anyways so no video this month. Did ok scores wise. Took my time and I was about on average with my normal game. Felt pretty good. It was good to bowl down there 1 time but that alley is off my list for next season. Too much of a hassle - and didn't help that it was the last day of the month.

[Aslan]

June VBT scores are starting to roll in.

Rumor has it that Jeral and tccstudent have bowled…which will just leave noeymc, JAnderson, J-Dilly, and tr33frog..who are expected to miss this month. So hopefully Jeral can actually figure out the magical internet…and get me the scores from the Oklahoma contingent before midnight PST. Or…when I wake up should I fall asleep before then (I'm like super old…we go to bed early).

Thus far…classy granny with a BIG comeback this month!

[Mike White]

Thus far…classy granny with a BIG comeback this month!

Figures :)

[Aslan]

Figures :)

Yeah…no kidding. Don't feel bad, last week ZDawg did it to Mudpuppy, noeymc did it to classy granny, vdub did it to Bunny. By the end of this, I think we're all gonna have months where we're the bug…and months we're the windshield.

[classygranny]

Figures :)

Don't take it personally...lol. Those lanes were sweet - for an AMF. A friend and I got there and they were oiling, asked us to wait until they oiled the lanes before we started. I was really just practicing on posting my shot as I seem to be pulling out a lot. Just wished it would have carried over to the weekend for the AZ Open Tourney....aargh!

[Aslan]

Well, I wanted to wait and see if I got scores from Jeral and TCC...TCC claims they bowled...but I got nothing in my inboxes.

Hate to just disqualify them for June if they actually took the time to bowl...but how long should I wait??

[vdubtx]

Well, I wanted to wait and see if I got scores from Jeral and TCC...TCC claims they bowled...but I got nothing in my inboxes.

Hate to just disqualify them for June if they actually took the time to bowl...but how long should I wait??

Would wait same amount of time you have in other months.

[tccstudent]

Jerry said he was going to email them tonight when he gets home

[Aslan]

Would wait same amount of time you have in other months.

Don't recall how long I've waited in the past. Supposedly Jeral will send them tonight.

[Mudpuppy]

There is nothing in the rules to address this issue so it's really up to you Aslan and the consensus. Me personally I say if they bowled give them until the end of the week to submit scores and hopefully it is time stamped for sometime in June. Maybe we should talk about how to handle this in the future. If there is a printout with a date in the given month and it is submitted within 7 days of the end of the month then ok. IDK - what does everyone think?

[noeymc]

i can bowl friday if you guys wanna wait till then for this month but other then that i just been busy

[Mudpuppy]

i can bowl friday if you guys wanna wait till then for this month but other then that i just been busy

For June's scores? I think it's too late for that.

[Aslan]

There is nothing in the rules to address this issue so it's really up to you Aslan and the consensus. Me personally I say if they bowled give them until the end of the week to submit scores and hopefully it is time stamped for sometime in June. Maybe we should talk about how to handle this in the future. If there is a printout with a date in the given month and it is submitted within 7 days of the end of the month then ok. IDK - what does everyone think?

I'm giving Jeral till Friday to get me the scores because I believe TCC that they actually did bowl them in June. But after Friday, I mean, if you can't email scores in a 2-week timeframe...either the world is too technologically advanced for you to survive...or you're just being lazy. And the longer I wait, the more likely it'll be that this will continue to happen because we'd have set a precedent.

No noeymc...you definitely can't bowl your June games in July. ALthough, feel free to bowl your July games early so you're not in this same perdickerment in July.

But everyone should know going forward...I'm willing to give people to the end of the week (if month end is earlier in the week)...but;
A) I'll be more likely to scrutinize the scores looking for signs they were bowled in the correct month.
B) If month end is on a Friday or Saturday, then it's a hard deadline.

For example, in July, the month ends on a Thursday. If I don't have scores by Friday night, too bad so sad....you default to average minus 10 and get no points for the month. Because if a person wants to bowl that first weekend, they should be able to knowing where they stand.

I know it's summer, I know everyone is busy, I know the alleys are packed with numbskulls that aren't in school, and I know some alleys reduce hours in the summer...BUT...it's ONCE per the entire MONTH...it's 30 days...30 opportunities...and unless you wait till the last minute...you should have plenty of time to email or text me or PM me scores. This isn't some carnival game where there's some crazy trick to get the quarter to stay on the floating plate. And the vast majority of us don't even have to worry about arranging physical pairings.

Jeral should get a move on though...because Thursday I have leagues...and Friday after about 3:30PM PST I'll be out getting drunk on the beach. So Saturday, before I leave the house for a poker tournament...if I got no scores...then TCC and Jeral got no scores. Im trying to be fair...for multiple reasons...including that I think I actually bowl against one of them so I don't want people thinking I'm disqualifying them so I get the points...but more so to keep everyone participating and happy...but we also gotta have some semblance of rules.

[Mudpuppy]

Cliff Notes: The VBT committee ruled that the can of Pam cooking spray Aslan had in his belt makeshift holster was to cook a home cooked meal for his new girl that Iceman found him and not to modify the lane surface or to pull a Joe Dirt at the local carnival and Aslan is being extremely fair in his ruling.

[Mike White]

Cliff Notes: The VBT committee ruled that the can of Pam cooking spray Aslan had in his belt makeshift holster was to cook a home cooked meal for his new girl that Iceman found him and not to modify the lane surface or to pull a Joe Dirt at the local carnival and Aslan is being extremely fair in his ruling.

Just because the can says Pam Cooking Spray on the label doesn't mean those are the ingredients.

Aslan would benefit more from some quick drying de-oiling substance so his ball will find the friction he's used to out in the parking lot (I mean wood lanes).

[Mudpuppy]

Just because the can says Pam Cooking Spray on the label doesn't mean those are the ingredients.

Aslan would benefit more from some quick drying de-oiling substance so his ball will find the friction he's used to out in the parking lot (I mean wood lanes).

I have refound some faith in humanity today. Great post Mr. White. #1 best MWhite post ever. Thanks for the chuckle.

And good point - my can of banned german chain lube (I bought the last case available for sale) has all kinds of stickers over the ingredients so who knows what is in there. But man that stuff works awesome. Down to my last can. I'm going to have to go back to the horrible chain wax for my motorcycle chain soon.