1st Annual BowlingBoards.com Virtual Tour!!!

[Aslan]

The standings have been updated here (http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/16610-BowlingBoards-Virtual-Tour-2014-Standings?p=110316#post110316).

I had to disqualify tccstudent's scores as well as Jeral999ok's because not only did I not receive the scores by 11:59PM on the last day of June; but I never received a valid scoresheet or pictures of monitors showing that they indeed bowled against each other, in person, per the instructions.

Since we are midway through the qualification stage; here is where we stand:

Should the championship round start today;
- There would be a play-in game between MWhite (5) and classy granny (5) (that would take place in the first 2 weeks of October) to determine who receives the 8th and final seed.
- The winner would face the top seed VDubtx (9).
- The #2 seed would be Stormed1 (9), #3 seed noeymc (8), #4 seed Aslan (8), #5 seed ZDawg (7), #6 seed Mudpuppy (6), and #7 seed Bunny (6).
- The points are in ( ). Ties decided by total scratch pin fall. All ties, once the seeds are finalized and the tournament begins are determined by scratch pin fall.
- The "wild card" or "back door" entries are not applicable. VDub has highest scratch pin fall (2026 pins) but is already the #1 seed. ZDawg has moved into top position in most improved average (+ 25.75) AND most games above average (8) but he is already the #5 seed.
- The next best in wild card standings are: tr33frog with 1917 pins, noeymc with a +23.08 average, and Bunny with 7 games above average.

Still have 3 more months left though, and even those with 0-2 points still have plenty of time to make a run and get in the championship tournament. GOOD LUCK!!

[Mudpuppy]

I'm back in the hunt. This month should be no issue. I just have to get ahold of Joe to bowl with in Ann Arbor.

[Mike White]

The standings have been updated here (http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/16610-BowlingBoards-Virtual-Tour-2014-Standings?p=110316#post110316).

I had to disqualify tccstudent's scores as well as Jeral999ok's because not only did I not receive the scores by 11:59PM on the last day of June; but I never received a valid scoresheet or pictures of monitors showing that they indeed bowled against each other, in person, per the instructions.

Since we are midway through the qualification stage; here is where we stand:

Should the championship round start today;
- There would be a play-in game between MWhite (5) and classy granny (5) (that would take place in the first 2 weeks of October) to determine who receives the 8th and final seed.
- The winner would face the top seed VDubtx (9).
- The #2 seed would be Stormed1 (9), #3 seed noeymc (8), #4 seed Aslan (8), #5 seed ZDawg (7), #6 seed Mudpuppy (6), and #7 seed Bunny (6).
- The points are in ( ). Ties decided by total scratch pin fall. All ties, once the seeds are finalized and the tournament begins are determined by scratch pin fall.
- The "wild card" or "back door" entries are not applicable. VDub has highest scratch pin fall (2026 pins) but is already the #1 seed. ZDawg has moved into top position in most improved average (+ 25.75) AND most games above average (8) but he is already the #5 seed.
- The next best in wild card standings are: tr33frog with 1917 pins, noeymc with a +23.08 average, and Bunny with 7 games above average.

Still have 3 more months left though, and even those with 0-2 points still have plenty of time to make a run and get in the championship tournament. GOOD LUCK!!

A couple of related questions.

1) how does tr33frog have 1917 scratch pins, when he hasn't even thrown a single game yet?
2) If VDubTX would happen to miss this month, would his scratch total still be 2026, or would you add his average (660+) to it?
3) If someone entered with a 240 average, and never bowl a game in the VBT would they be given the back door to the playoffs for Scratch Pin Fall?

I assume, to most people, Scratch Pin Fall means actual scores achieved.

[noeymc]

agree with mike and alsan you should be above me unless my pin count for 6 games is better then yours with 9 other wise i would should #4 seed u #3

[Aslan]

A couple of related questions.

1) how does tr33frog have 1917 scratch pins, when he hasn't even thrown a single game yet?
2) If VDubTX would happen to miss this month, would his scratch total still be 2026, or would you add his average (660+) to it?
3) If someone entered with a 240 average, and never bowl a game in the VBT would they be given the back door to the playoffs for Scratch Pin Fall?

I assume, to most people, Scratch Pin Fall means actual scores achieved.

That "is" a concern. Unfortunately, we never addressed penalties for people not participating other than the -10 pin handicap. Personally, I never thought a person would sign up to participate and then not ever participate. It's probably not going to matter because VDUB (or you) will likely have the highest scratch pinfall at the end of the qualifying round. But yes, if tr33frog doesn't participate at all in the qualifying round...I don't think the executive committe would disagree that his scratch pinfall (only from his average) should be thrown out.

I would even go one further than that and say that any participant that does NOT participate the ENTIRE 6 months should not be able to enter via a "wild card" entry.

[Hampe]

Maybe set a minimum number of games played to participate in the playoffs? Or a percentage? Like you must participate in 60% of the rounds (months, whatever), otherwise you're ineligible for the playoffs....something like that.

[Mudpuppy]

Maybe set a minimum number of games played to participate in the playoffs? Or a percentage? Like you must participate in 60% of the rounds (months, whatever), otherwise you're ineligible for the playoffs....something like that.

And the finals should be held in Switzerland

[Hampe]

Haha.....damn, I should have signed up! :)

[Aslan]

Maybe set a minimum number of games played to participate in the playoffs? Or a percentage? Like you must participate in 60% of the rounds (months, whatever), otherwise you're ineligible for the playoffs....something like that.

We can't do that because it was decided to keep the registration open through August right up until the last month of qualifying. But I think there SHOULD be some minimum participation rate to get in via the "wild cards" or "backdoors" (as Mike and I refer to them). If a person wants to start in August...and gets 8 points in August/September...I have no problem with them slipping into the finals. But if they don't play at all and have the highest scratch pinfall (only due to their average) or they play only in August but have a HUGE night and end up with most improved average....they should NOT be able to "sneak in" and get the final seed.

Executive council?? Would you like to weigh in on this?

[Mudpuppy]

I agree with your logic

[zdawg]

I agree that if someone does not participate then they should NOT be allowed to participate in the playoffs. It does take some time, effort, and personal cost to go to the assigned center each month, playoff spots should go to the folks that actually put forth that effort.

[Aslan]

Agreed.

There are 6 months of qualifying, I propose a minimum of 3 months participation to be eligible for "backdoor" or "wild card entry".

We don't need to restrict people from entering the finals the standard way, as non-participation doesn't get you points.

[zdawg]

Agreed.

There are 6 months of qualifying, I propose a minimum of 3 months participation to be eligible for "backdoor" or "wild card entry".

We don't need to restrict people from entering the finals the standard way, as non-participation doesn't get you points.

That sounds reasonable to me, if we're doing a vote then mine is yes for this proposal

[Mudpuppy]

Yes for me as well

[Aslan]

Yes for me as well

Motion carries.

[Aslan]

Wow. This thing really tailed off in terms of interest.

Thus far, only 3 scores submitted and we have 3 days left!!!

After this month, that leaves only 2 more months of qualifying..

[classygranny]

I did mine, but I need to figure out how to get them to you....without much available to assist.

[Amyers]

I've done mine too just haven't sent you the scores try to tomorrow

[Mudpuppy]

I am 99% sure I am not going to make it this month. Selling a house and worked 40 hours over there in 3 days. Just ran out of time with vacation, etc. Just never got a free moment to make it to Ann Arbor this month.

[Aslan]

I did mine, but I need to figure out how to get them to you....without much available to assist.

I'm not sure what they call in Arizona...but I believe it's called "e-mail". :p Not sure what the "e" stands for actually.

[zdawg]

I'm gonna try to get to the alley tonight, in a string of bad months this has been the worst one yet unfortunately

[Bunny]

Sorry to hear that. Hang in there.

[vdubtx]

Getting mine in this evening. Not sure I will get the photos of scores to Aslan until tomorrow some time though. That ok?

[Amyers]

I sent mine earlier should be in your email

[Aslan]

Getting mine in this evening. Not sure I will get the photos of scores to Aslan until tomorrow some time though. That ok?

Thats fine.


I sent mine earlier should be in your email

Got em!

[classygranny]

I emailed my scores, but right now I have no way of getting the "proof" to you. I can scan them next week when I go into the office.

[Aslan]

I emailed my scores, but right now I have no way of getting the "proof" to you. I can scan them next week when I go into the office.

Thats fine.

Updated scores are now in the standings section. I probably won't have everything posted and next month's centers assigned until sometime this weekend. I'll try to have the center assignments by tomorrow night in time so that people who want an early jump on August can bowl this weekend.

[zdawg]

Sorry to hear that. Hang in there.

Thanks Bunny, I'm still fighting :cool:

And Aslan, I emailed you my scores as soon as I finished at the alley....(note to self, open bowling after 9pm at this particular alley is a bad idea as it's cheap bowling night apparently :rolleyes:)

[Aslan]

Thanks Bunny, I'm still fighting :cool:

And Aslan, I emailed you my scores as soon as I finished at the alley....(note to self, open bowling after 9pm at this particular alley is a bad idea as it's cheap bowling night apparently :rolleyes:)

I got em. Just waiting on VDub to submit his and I'll update the scores/standings.

[Aslan]

Currently we 15 participants total.

There are 8 spots open in the finals tournament.

At this point (and this can change), only about 9 of the 15 participants are still what I'd call "actively participating".

- J-Dilly and tr33frog have never participated since sending in their initial intent.
- JAnderson has pretty much said he's probably out for the remainder.
- Stormed1 injured himself badly this month and is likely out for the remainder.
- tccstudent and Jeral999ok didn't submit valid scores last month and I've heard nothing since.

- noeymc is a "wild card" because he's missed 2 straight months...but is still in the hunt and hasn't said for SURE that he's out.

So that leaves 9 people fighting for 8 spots. Now, Stormed1 and noeymc did build up a nice cushion and could end up getting a spot just on their initial performances in months 1-3...and that may make noeymc "perk up" and participate in the finals. However, IF Stormed1 is physically out of commission....I'd vote to eliminate him from the finals tournament and allow the next highest point-getter in since he'd (Stormed1) just lose automatically in round 1 if he physically can't bowl.

And remember, those relying on "back door" or "wild card" entries into the tournament...you MUST have bowled at least THREE months to get in with a most improved average, or total scratch pinfall, or most games bowled above average.

[vdubtx]

To add to the list of folks with issues above, I got in 2 games last evening before buckling my left knee. Heard something pop in first frame of my third game. Did get the first 2 in fine, but hit a sticky patch on the approach and my foot and knee just stopped while the rest of my body kept going forward. Do you want me to submit my 2 games or not take any of them? Have photos of the 2 games.

Let me know if you would still like to submit, otherwise will just put me down of 0 in July.

Have a bad limp after icing over night and today. Will likely have to get it checked out over the weekend.

[Aslan]

Geez. Bowlingball.com should have had people sign waivers.

Yes, submit the 1st 2 scores (thats what Stormed1 did).

Hopefully you can make it back for the finals.

[vdubtx]

Geez. Bowlingball.com should have had people sign waivers.

Yes, submit the 1st 2 scores (thats what Stormed1 did).

Hopefully you can make it back for the finals.

LOL.

Sent my 2 games scores. Will let you know if I think will miss August. Want to be sure I am back in swing when fall leagues start up in September.

[Amyers]

LOL.

Sent my 2 games scores. Will let you know if I think will miss August. Want to be sure I am back in swing when fall leagues start up in September.

Hope everything is okay vdubtx

[Aslan]

Well, the bad news is MWhite overtook VDub in scratch pin fall, so VDub can't make his way in the back door. But with VDub in the lead with 12points, Mudpuppy would need 7 of the remaining 8 points to overtake him. And with Stormed1 out of commission for likely the remainder of qualifying…really Mudpuppy just needs 5 of 8 points.

Amyers, with the late start, obviously needs 8 of 8 points to "guarantee" a spot…although 5 of 8 could at least get him a shot at a play-in game. But a 0 or 1 this month or next will likely eliminate him from finals tournament contention.

Myself, ZDawg, MWhite, Bunny, CGranny…we all made great strides these last 2 months. But MWhite now has 0 handicap to deal with…just in time to face the top player in the tournament!! Fortunately for him, that player (VDub) may be out of commission…but MWhite would still need to roll a 639 series.

[Stormed1]

I'll be out for the remainder because of open heart surgery next Friday. They will be doing a quadruple bypass so it will be several months befor I can throw a ball again

[fortheloveofbowling]

Good luck to you and get back soon.

[Amyers]

Best of luck stormed get back soon

[Aslan]

Personally I think it's just a publicity stunt. Have a quadruple bypass, come back into the tournament, win it, and be the feel good story of the year.

Well played.

[MICHAEL]

I'll be out for the remainder because of open heart surgery next Friday. They will be doing a quadruple bypass so it will be several months befor I can throw a ball again

sorry to hear you needed the surgery!!! I know several people around here that have had it, and came out feeling GREAT!! Pretty scary, but routine now days! You will be up and around soon, I am sure! GOOD LUCK BUD!!!! You will be in all our thoughts!!!! One good friend of my dads had it, and he felt like a NEW MAN, playing golf 3 days a week, walking the course in his 80s now, but had it done several years ago.

[MICHAEL]

To add to the list of folks with issues above, I got in 2 games last evening before buckling my left knee. Heard something pop in first frame of my third game. Did get the first 2 in fine, but hit a sticky patch on the approach and my foot and knee just stopped while the rest of my body kept going forward. Do you want me to submit my 2 games or not take any of them? Have photos of the 2 games.

Let me know if you would still like to submit, otherwise will just put me down of 0 in July.

Have a bad limp after icing over night and today. Will likely have to get it checked out over the weekend.

damn!!! Sorry to hear the bad news!!! What is Iceman going to have to do, get you on a training , nutrition program???? Take care, get well soon!!
Do you want Ice to sub for you???

[vdubtx]

damn!!! Sorry to hear the bad news!!! What is Iceman going to have to do, get you on a training , nutrition program???? Take care, get well soon!!
Do you want Ice to sub for you???

Thanks. Good news is just a sprain, no tears or damage. Felling better over the weekend. Just gotta take it easy with no stress on it for a couple weeks. Iced it for few days, now will start heat and wrapping it.

[Amyers]

That's great news vdubtx. Get it healed up and back to bowling shape soon

[Bunny]

I'll be out for the remainder because of open heart surgery next Friday. They will be doing a quadruple bypass so it will be several months befor I can throw a ball again


Thoughts and prayers Stormed.

Bunny

[Bunny]

Thanks. Good news is just a sprain, no tears or damage. Felling better over the weekend. Just gotta take it easy with no stress on it for a couple weeks. Iced it for few days, now will start heat and wrapping it.

Oh, thank goodness!!

[vdubtx]

Oh, thank goodness!!

Knee is much better today. Not as much soreness while walking. Should be good to go soon. :cool:

[Mudpuppy]

Best wishes to all our fallen comrades. Dropping like flies.

I am back in it for August. Selling a house and handling all that garbage plus my normal day to day was just too much for July - and throw a camping trip and being sick in there and I ended up netting negative free time. Hoping to get my bowling in early this month. Still need to close on the house but that should be done this week.

[vdubtx]

Knee is in better shape than I thought after hearing that pop in it last week. No soreness, even after doing some yard work last night. Think I am ready to get back in it.

[J Anderson]

- JAnderson has pretty much said he's probably out for the remainder.



I thought I was more explicit than "probably".

[Aslan]

I thought I was more explicit than "probably".

As has been explained, it is my understanding you are "out" for the remainder of the season...BUT...you DO have the option of bowling in August/September should you change your mind.

[Mudpuppy]

Ok so I need to just figure out a day / time to do this but I am going to attempt to implement a gopro into bowling as a test so when I go to Vegas in September for the First Annual ICE VS THE LION Tournament I can use the gopro to catch some footage of the epic event. I just picked up a brand new Hero 3+ and it shoots all the way up to 4k video. I shoot in 1080p because even 1080p is HUGE files and difficult for my old(er) computers to digest and edit. But I will be doing my VBT session here in the next 7 days. I am hoping that my rotater cuff injury from baseball doesn't affect my bowling. My bowling arm has been in pain for about a month now - tried to throw someone out from centerfield - bad idea. This VBT is a good test of my shoulder before league bowling starts and before the Vegas mayhem. I don't have any loss of strength issues just an annoying pain all the time.

[Aslan]

WHoa!! A post about the VBT!!

What is this, "retro Thursday". I thought this thing was dead in the water.

[Mudpuppy]

Not dead still alive and kicking in my book

[Aslan]

I only have scores for myself, Bunny, and ZDawg as of yet.

If anyone else has scores or forgot and needs to bowl on Labor Day…here's your reminder!

[Mike White]

I only have scores for myself, Bunny, and ZDawg as of yet.

If anyone else has scores or forgot and needs to bowl on Labor Day…here's your reminder!

I bowled on Sunday, my scores were 224, 219, 245. I got photos, no printout available.

The problem is, when I got home, my phone complained about a sim card problem.

I've removed it, and put it back in, but no luck.

I won't have a chance to go to the Apple store until Saturday.

[classygranny]

No scores for me....life's challenges won this month!

[Aslan]

I bowled on Sunday, my scores were 224, 219, 245. I got photos, no printout available.

The problem is, when I got home, my phone complained about a sim card problem.

I've removed it, and put it back in, but no luck.

I won't have a chance to go to the Apple store until Saturday.

Just get it to me when you can. With the holiday and school starting for the kid…I'm gonna be busy this week so I'll try to get next months assignments and stuff…but I'll be a little behind on updating the standings.

[vdubtx]

I bowled, but did not get print out nor pictures. Phone battery died on me while I was trying to take picture of first game. Without verification, didn't think I should submit so I suppose will take the blind this month.

[Amyers]

No scores for me either this month. The wife has been having some medical issues and it has pulled me away this month I think I was out of the running anyway with my late start.

[Aslan]

Okay, looks like this month we had me, Bunny, Zdawg and MWhite's scores are pending verification.

I'll try to get to at least next months center assignments today or tomorrow. And virtual pairings shortly thereafter. Standings/averages probably won't be updated until next week after I get MWhite's verification.

[Mudpuppy]

Sorry Aslan I blew it - way too much going on. Wish I could have done it but just not possible. Can my scores in Vegas count for September?

[Aslan]

Sorry Aslan I blew it - way too much going on. Wish I could have done it but just not possible. Can my scores in Vegas count for September?

Technically, no.

However, should the executive committee allow it, I have no problem with my, your, and MWhites scores being from the qualifying round in Vegas. It IS in the spirit of the VBT in terms of getting us to bowl in new places and against other BBers. So I vote yes, you vote yes...ZDawg? Who is the other executive committee person?

[Mudpuppy]

Ok well either way - I thought we discussed this before and I said if I come to California could my scores count and you said yes. So I would assume Vegas is the same way and better for the spirit of the competition, fairness, etc. because I am bowling with other BBers and outside of my home lanes.

[Aslan]

I'm saying it's a "yes" unless ZDawg AND someone else has a legitimate objection.

For MWhite's sake, I stress legitimate since I know he'll probably have some sort of objection...but probably not legitimate.

[Mike White]

I'm saying it's a "yes" unless ZDawg AND someone else has a legitimate objection.

For MWhite's sake, I stress legitimate since I know he'll probably have some sort of objection...but probably not legitimate.

Can you identify any objection I had that wasn't legitimate?

You didn't understand it because you lacked experience.

[Aslan]

I am NOT going through 57 pages just to prove you wrong.

I'm procrastinating at work...but not at THAT level of procrastination!!

[Mike White]

I am NOT going through 57 pages just to prove you wrong.

I'm procrastinating at work...but not at THAT level of procrastination!!

If there were as many as you claimed, you should be able to throw a dart and hit one.

[Mudpuppy]

Mike are you going to be in Vegas?

[Mike White]

Mike are you going to be in Vegas?

I've got the day cleared on my calendar.

Just waiting for a destination.

[Aslan]

New center assignements and pairings are posted in the general information thread.

Standings/Averages to be posted hopefully this weekend. I'll also give a rundown at that time of who is "IN" versus "ALIVE" vs "OUT OF THE RUNNING" for the finals tournament that starts in October.

[Stormed1]

Looks like there might be a chance I will be back bowling before the end of October. Saw the surgeon Tuesday and was told that after Oct 8th I can lift as much weight as I want. I start 4 weeks of cardiac rehab Monday (3 times a week) so things are looking up :-)

[Amyers]

That's great news stormed you'll be on the comeback trail before you know it

[Stormed1]

Hoping so. Yesterday was4 weeks out from the surgery and I drove myself to dialysis this morning, also walked in without a walker for the first time, only had a cane for a little stability

[MICHAEL]

Hoping so. Yesterday was4 weeks out from the surgery and I drove myself to dialysis this morning, also walked in without a walker for the first time, only had a cane for a little stability

GREAT to hear all is going well! You will be a NEW MAN after your recovery! I have seen it happen to several people I know around here! Get ready for some GREAT BOWLING! Now that you have had the surgery, make life style changes and stick with them. YOU are WHAT you eat and drink!! Lifestyle changes not only have saved my life, but have enhanced the quality of my life 100 percent! Do I cheat once in a while, SURE!
Exercise, good eating, and drinking habits are a MUST BUD!!! The paybacks are worth the sacrifice!!!!!!!!! IF you smoke, QUIT! If you drink to excesse Quit,,, watch YOUR SUGER intake,,, stay away for all soda pops!! Eat REAL foods, not heavily processed crap!

Good health is not a magic formula,,, its doing things right! (:)

[Mike White]

I bowled on Sunday, my scores were 224, 219, 245. I got photos, no printout available.

The problem is, when I got home, my phone complained about a sim card problem.

I've removed it, and put it back in, but no luck.

I won't have a chance to go to the Apple store until Saturday.

I've got good news, and bad news.

Good news, they were able to bring the phone back to life.

Bad news, they had to wipe the phone clean to do it.

Good news, I had 99.9% of the phone backed up.

Bad news, that 0.1% was the pictures of my scores I had taken the day it quit working.

[Aslan]

Well, so far...only got scores from the 3 participants in Vegas.

Anyone else remember to bowl for the VBT in September???

[MICHAEL]

WHO CARES about virtual bowling....LOL... I Can't wait till our next meeting in Vegas,,, I just might have some top guns from around here coming with me,,,, Jason, Pat Henderson, Biker Gene and Mary,,, I am working on a small army to evade Vegas!!! Will YOU be READY for the Iceman's Army!! GRRRR.... come on reality bowling....... ;) I have this feeling that their will be a LARGE group of us NEXT TIME!!

Nothing like FACE to FACE COMBAT on the Lanes of GLORY!!! ROB KNOWS THE FEELING,,,, I NEED IT!!!!

[zdawg]

Well, so far...only got scores from the 3 participants in Vegas.

Anyone else remember to bowl for the VBT in September???

Admittedly I slacked big time, thinking I would get to it the last weekend in Sept...then yesterday I realized it was Oct :confused:

[vdubtx]

I haven't been able to get any practice in the month of September. Sold our house and busy with that and moving all of our things to storage while our new home is being built. In a short term lease condo now.

[Aslan]

Okay lame-O-Von-Lamensteins...I guess I'll calculate things based on the three people that participated.

TOURNAMENT FINALS start this month!!!

[Aslan]

Final Month Scores:

VDubtx: 222 (212), 222 (212), 222 (212) = 636 (Hdcp)
ZDawg: 165 (204), 165 (204), 165 (204) = 612 (Hdcp)

noeymc: 184 (206), 184 (206), 184 (206) = 618 (Hdcp)
MWhite: 204 (204), 197 (197), 214 (214) = 615 (Hdcp)

Amyers: 167 (204), 167 (204), 167 (204) = 612 (Hdcp)
Bunny: 153 (190), 153 (190), 153 (190) = 570 (Hdcp)

J-Dilly: 187 (206), 187 (206), 187 (206) = 618 (Hdcp)
Mudpuppy: 227 (246), 248 (267), 191 (210) = 723 (Hdcp)

JAnderson: 188 (206), 188 (206), 188 (206) = 618 (Hdcp)
Stormed1: 170 (204), 170 (204), 170 (204) = 612 (Hdcp)

tccstudent: 193 (206), 193 (206), 193 (206) = 618 (Hdcp)
classygranny: 184 (206), 184 (206), 184 (206) = 618 (Hdcp)

Jeral999ok: 184 (206), 184 (206), 184 (206) = 618 (Hdcp)
tr33frog: 213 (209), 213 (209), 213 (209) = 627 (Hdcp)

Aslan: 150 (194), 159 (203), 165 (209) = 606 (Hdcp)
BYE: 186 (207), 186 (207), 186 (207) = 621 (Hdcp)

Great...posted this in the wrong place...also go see the standings thread for this and more exciting information!!!

[vdubtx]

False Advertising... I see no exciting information posted.

[Aslan]

False Advertising... I see no exciting information posted.

It takes a few minutes to post "exciting information"...go back and check now.

[Aslan]

EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE!!!

Stormed1 has been cleared to bowl in round 1 of the Finals after his bout with Ebola or sex change operation or whatever he went through that he "claims" was cardiovascular in nature.

He has drawn a center from his list of 6 specified. However, he is asking to get a re-draw due to that center being a bit far away and him going through some medical procedures that limit him a bit.

Since it was drawn from his list of 6, I can't just re-draw it. The point of the list of 6 is that you don't have an issue drawing any of those centers. HOWEVER..given the special circumstances I am willing to be over-ruled on this if BOTH ZDawg and Mudpuppy agree to re-draw.

I would suggest that Stormed1 PM both fellas to have them come read this since Mudpuppy is sometimes distracted with motorcycles or Iceman's ramblings and ZDawg is distracted by lovely San Diego weather.

[zdawg]

Having followed Stormed1's recent health issues, I don't have a problem with granting him a redraw as he is in a unique situation.



I would suggest that Stormed1 PM both fellas to have them come read this since Mudpuppy is sometimes distracted with motorcycles or Iceman's ramblings and ZDawg is distracted by lovely San Diego weather.

The weather isn't the only thing distracting about San Diego

[Aslan]

Just waiting on Mudpuppy to weigh in.

[Stormed1]

Well i got out to Lakewood to get my games in for October. lanes were squirely after having a senior league and open play all day. Out of bounds outside 8., toast from 8-15 and oil inside of 15. Ended up throwing the Covert Revolt (pin in ring) standing 42 playing 18-13. Missed 2 10 pin. all the rest were left side spares as they were tyouchy as to hook or slide. But after on 5 games back I was obviously not very sharp on spares and not having ever bowled here before not knowing characteristics of the center didn't help I shot 140-148-213=501 dso I only ended up 9 pins under average forr series. I got my games in so at least I have a chance :-)

[zdawg]

Unfortunately I waited until yesterday to try venture out to my assigned alley, which in a word was STUPID.

It cost me 2 hours of my time to get out there and back to my apartment, we're talking a grand total trip of less than forty miles (San Diego weekday traffic at its finest hence my stupidity in not getting this done on a weekend).

And the icing on the cake was when I finally got there I found out that the person I spoke to on the phone was either really stupid or someone who thought that it would be funny to tell me they had open lanes....yes technically they did when I walked in but they were in the process of reclaiming them for league - despite the huge lit sign outside that literally says "OPEN LANES, NO WAIT" :mad::mad:

Anyway, I've got plans tonight with a female friend and unless they have open lanes immediately after work tomorrow (for real this time) I won't be able to get out there since tomorrow night is Halloween which then turns into my birthday at midnight, and I'll be busy with other things :cool:

[Aslan]

Okay...here's where things stand right now...

- Neither noeymc nor classygranny bowled their play-n game by October 15th and were disqualified.
- Aslan DID bowl, thus he advances past 1st round automatically to play the winner of MWhite/ZDawg in Round 2 in November.
- Stormed1 requested a re-draw of Lakewood Bowl. I declined but put it to ZDawg/Mudpuppy for a veto, but Mudpuppy never voted and in the meantime it looks like Stormed1 just bowled at Lakewood. I still do not have scores for that...remember Stormed1, I need the e-mail of the scores/pictures/scoresheet to aslan_supreme@yahoo.com before midnight Nov. 1.
- I did receive scores from VDubtx this morning.
- I received a request for a re-draw from Mudpuppy via PM but the only reason given was that the center he drew was inconvenient to get to over the next 2 days. As far as I'm concerned, and per the rules, I don't think I can re-draw that. Garden Bowl IS one of the 6 selected centers by MudP. Now, since MudP wants it, I think it's outside the scope of what I can legally accomodate, the swing vote goes to ZDawg. If ZDawg says it's agreeable...I'll re-draw...but we're running out of time...and what happens if the next draw is the once center in Ann Arbor? Thats an even more inconvenient draw than Detroit. Would we re-draw again? Do we even have TIME to re-draw again? Do we allow Mudpuppy to just pick the most convenient center rather than re-draw? Does that set the precedent for everyone else that they too can just select the most convenient center to them? <------That is why I'm voting "no" to the re-draw. Not because I have anything against Mudpuppy or anything like that...but sometimes you have to be careful what precedents are set. I voted "no" to re-draw Stormed1 and he at least had a compelling life/death/medical reason...but still, "precedent" would be set...then it's a free-for-all.

Besides, when the centers and pairings were posted...on THAT DAY...I looked at my calender and made plans to take the 45 minute drive to Temecula (middle of nowhere). It was NOT convenient. I got there too early, had to wait around, finally got to bowl and the lanes were horrible and the ambiance distracting...and the place had like NO AC...so it was a sweatfest. But I DID it...at the center that was drawn...within the specified timeframe. I didn't wait till the final week and then say, "Aww....carp....I can't get to Temecula between now and Saturday."

The only encouragement I can give everyone who thinks the rules too strict and Aslan a "stickler" is....Mudpuppy has already been elected to President of the VBT for next season...and I'm sure the rules will lighten up a bit then.

[MICHAEL]

Okay...here's where things stand right now...

- Neither noeymc nor classygranny bowled their play-n game by October 15th and were disqualified.
- Aslan DID bowl, thus he advances past 1st round automatically to play the winner of MWhite/ZDawg in Round 2 in November.
- Stormed1 requested a re-draw of Lakewood Bowl. I declined but put it to ZDawg/Mudpuppy for a veto, but Mudpuppy never voted and in the meantime it looks like Stormed1 just bowled at Lakewood. I still do not have scores for that...remember Stormed1, I need the e-mail of the scores/pictures/scoresheet to aslan_supreme@yahoo.com before midnight Nov. 1.
- I did receive scores from VDubtx this morning.
- I received a request for a re-draw from Mudpuppy via PM but the only reason given was that the center he drew was inconvenient to get to over the next 2 days. As far as I'm concerned, and per the rules, I don't think I can re-draw that. Garden Bowl IS one of the 6 selected centers by MudP. Now, since MudP wants it, I think it's outside the scope of what I can legally accomodate, the swing vote goes to ZDawg. If ZDawg says it's agreeable...I'll re-draw...but we're running out of time...and what happens if the next draw is the once center in Ann Arbor? Thats an even more inconvenient draw than Detroit. Would we re-draw again? Do we even have TIME to re-draw again? Do we allow Mudpuppy to just pick the most convenient center rather than re-draw? Does that set the precedent for everyone else that they too can just select the most convenient center to them? <------That is why I'm voting "no" to the re-draw. Not because I have anything against Mudpuppy or anything like that...but sometimes you have to be careful what precedents are set. I voted "no" to re-draw Stormed1 and he at least had a compelling life/death/medical reason...but still, "precedent" would be set...then it's a free-for-all.

Besides, when the centers and pairings were posted...on THAT DAY...I looked at my calender and made plans to take the 45 minute drive to Temecula (middle of nowhere). It was NOT convenient. I got there too early, had to wait around, finally got to bowl and the lanes were horrible and the ambiance distracting...and the place had like NO AC...so it was a sweatfest. But I DID it...at the center that was drawn...within the specified timeframe. I didn't wait till the final week and then say, "Aww....carp....I can't get to Temecula between now and Saturday."

The only encouragement I can give everyone who thinks the rules too strict and Aslan a "stickler" is....Mudpuppy has already been elected to President of the VBT for next season...and I'm sure the rules will lighten up a bit then.


Wow
no wonder your womanless and lonely
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I swear, I don't know where you get the time to work and post!!
I am RETIRED, and when I break all your posts down that you have into words, and word count,
mine are 1/10,000 the number of yours!

In fact ICEMAN took it a little further and found out that its
just about EVEN when you add all the posts on this site, and that goes back to just after the Civil War!!

YOUR A Type-A-Holic! or,,,,OR are you just lonely, with lots of SPARE time! Do you want me to bring the: FIND ASLAN a GOOD BOWLING WOMAN back???

I have to have a bottle of moist-your-fricken-eyes with me when ever I decide to actually read all your posts!!
YOUR destroying my eyes!! Lion man, work on keeping them SHORT!! Save an Eye!!

[zdawg]

Hmm, well if I vote in favor of Mudpuppy choosing a more convenient center then that would be self serving because then I TOO could choose a more convenient center for myself - also that would kill two birds with one stone because the new proshop owner at the alley I would choose is highly recommended by a number of folks and I was planning on paying him a visit for my next ball anyway :cool:

Of course I feel like this would be unfair to the rest of the field that bowled at their assigned centers per the rules as they stand now. Making a bunch of exceptions for convenience at this late stage in the game kinda nullifies all the months prior as well.

So, my vote is NO.

And I assure you Mud this is nothing against you personally, I basically just voted against myself as well, as I procrastinated and then had some bad luck yesterday so I more than likely won't be able to make it to my assigned center either

[Mudpuppy]

No worries I will try and get to Detroit then. It's highly unlikely at this point.

[Mudpuppy]

It's with deep regret I have to forfeit. I didn't want to end my participation in the VBT this way but it is what it is. Traveled a bunch this month. Work is crazy. Dealing with the typical issues at home. Just not enough time. Got about 3 hours sleep last night up most of the night with the smallest kid. Just not going to be able pulling off 3 games in Detroit at the moment. Best of luck VDub and everyone else. I look forward to VBT II to hopefully have a better chance to participate more consistently. And of course the Iceman eats spiders while bowling on wood tournament o champions.

[Aslan]

That TIS a bummer man.

It will be interesting to see if the VBT survives in 2015 and if VBT Season II will get more interest. It was an interesting idea...I think everyone gave it it's best chance for success...but over the last 3 months the participation just went south BIG TIME. And even here in the finals, it looks like I'll move on by forfeit, VDub moves on by forfeit, and Stormed will move on via forfeit. Not sure about the ZDawg/MWhite scores...haven't seen them yet. If neither of them participate, I get a free ride all the way to the finals so long as I just bowl at the assigned center in November.

The worrisome thing is if things go as they have...I would have to face VDub in the Finals....and I was really hoping MPuppy could take advantage of VDub's 10-pin home center deduction this month and knock the Pinfall leader out early. I mean, Stormed1 "could" take out VDub next round....but Stormed1 is coming off serious surgery and still feeling his way back...it's a lot to ask of him to knock off the "VDub Express" and his 200+ average.

Going into the Finals I predicted an Aslan vs. Mudpuppy finals....but the big roadblocks would be Mudpuppy getting past VDub and me getting past MWhite. Either way, I think the winner of the Mudpuppy/VDubtx first round game is probably the eventual winner. There's just too much talent there. MWhite "could" match the talent level...but Mudpuppy brings in more handicap. Someone like myself, or Bunny, or noeymc, or ZDawg could probably put together ONE good series and with our handicap get a pass...but we'd need a good deal of luck...and lately I ain't had much of that. ZDawg seems to be bowling better with the MBaker lessons...so he could still win this as a "darkhorse"...but at this point I don't have scores for him so....???

[zdawg]

ZDawg seems to be bowling better with the MBaker lessons...so he could still win this as a "darkhorse"...but at this point I don't have scores for him so....???

Sorry, I'm also having to forfeit....I tried my best Tuesday to get in but if you look at my post from that day I ran into a lot of bad luck (and misinformation) from the person working there so I was unable to bowl. Well technically I could've sat at the bar for three hours waiting for leagues to finish but then my scores would've been garbage :D

If today wasn't Halloween which turns into my birthday at midnight :cool: I'd have a last ditch effort to make it to the alley but obviously I have other plans so I won't be able to make it.

I'll be back though for VBT2, and I think another SoCal tourney is in order...you've had long enough to gloat about your victory back in March :D

[Aslan]

and I think another SoCal tourney is in order...you've had long enough to gloat about your victory back in March :D

Ah yes...thank you for bringing that up. It was a truly great and wonderful victory by Aslan over ZDawg and the great MWhite.

The good news is...I think for that tournament my average was 165...yet currently my league average is like 151...so even MORE handicap for me!!! Unless Mike whines that I have to use my spring/summer of 166.

I would suggest either leaving it the same 3 people...OR expanding it by each of us bringing a doubles partner. Unfortunately Mike would be my doubles partner choice...and the two good players on my Tuesday league...I don't know them that well. Plus, Mike knows all kinds of really high end PBA kinda bowlers so he'd bring some Mega Ringer that would destroy us.

[Aslan]

Also, minor clarification for the rules.

Originally I was going to freeze averages once the finals began. Then I mentioned in a thread that they were going to change each round, even during the tournament.

I've been going back and forth on it and am certainly open to input...but given the lack of participation...it may be better to just freeze them where they were at the end of September.

Now, this hurts me most, at least in terms of the scores I have so far....so I'm not getting any advantage by this change. I'm just worried that, for example, in my case...

- IF I know that ZDawg forfeits and lets say MWHITE forfeits...then I could theorteically go out and bowl 3 90 games to lower my average to fave VDub. And that wouldn't be fair because VDub can't do that as he has to face Stormed1 next round.

- Second, most tournaments don't change your averages/handicap after each squad. You have what you had when you entered.

It's not a big deal either way. MWhite hasn't said he's out...and was probably just waiting to send in his scores till the last minute. I just think when you factor in the starting averages...and 6 months of qualifying...thats a pretty good indication of the bowler's averages.

Agreements? Disagreements? Let me know before I post the results and stuff for November Semi-Finals. Thx.

[Mike White]

Sorry, I'm also having to forfeit....I tried my best Tuesday to get in but if you look at my post from that day I ran into a lot of bad luck (and misinformation) from the person working there so I was unable to bowl. Well technically I could've sat at the bar for three hours waiting for leagues to finish but then my scores would've been garbage :D

If today wasn't Halloween which turns into my birthday at midnight :cool: I'd have a last ditch effort to make it to the alley but obviously I have other plans so I won't be able to make it.

I'll be back though for VBT2, and I think another SoCal tourney is in order...you've had long enough to gloat about your victory back in March :D

That is most unfortunate. Right about the time you were posting this, I was bowling. And it wasn't pretty.

I figured I was out.

[Mike White]

Also, minor clarification for the rules.

Originally I was going to freeze averages once the finals began. Then I mentioned in a thread that they were going to change each round, even during the tournament.

I've been going back and forth on it and am certainly open to input...but given the lack of participation...it may be better to just freeze them where they were at the end of September.

Now, this hurts me most, at least in terms of the scores I have so far....so I'm not getting any advantage by this change. I'm just worried that, for example, in my case...

- IF I know that ZDawg forfeits and lets say MWHITE forfeits...then I could theorteically go out and bowl 3 90 games to lower my average to fave VDub. And that wouldn't be fair because VDub can't do that as he has to face Stormed1 next round.

- Second, most tournaments don't change your averages/handicap after each squad. You have what you had when you entered.

It's not a big deal either way. MWhite hasn't said he's out...and was probably just waiting to send in his scores till the last minute. I just think when you factor in the starting averages...and 6 months of qualifying...thats a pretty good indication of the bowler's averages.

Agreements? Disagreements? Let me know before I post the results and stuff for November Semi-Finals. Thx.

Figures, I send you my pitiful scores at 2:44pm (I thought for sure I was out when I bowled them) and 10 minutes later you want to change the rules.

I haven't done the math but I know my average came way down.

We could have used our entering average each month, but you didn't want to do that.

Now you want to quit changing averages? Seems a little fishy to me.

[Aslan]

That is most unfortunate. Right about the time you were posting this, I was bowling. And it wasn't pretty.

I figured I was out.

Yeah, I just got a text and had to look at it about 7 times to figure out WTH!!???

Okay...I gotta DEFINITELY vote we lock averages now. A 186-183-97!!?

Yeah...there's no way I can use that with a straight face. Even if you smoke me...which you probably will...thats a REAL kick to the groin of poor VDubtx!!

I mean, I guess I don't care...whatever everyone thinks is fine with me....but that performance...that drops your average about 8 pins. My performance drops my average 5 pins. So me PERSONALLY...I don't really care. You claim you bowled not knowing ZDawg was out. I claim that even though I knew CG and noeymc weren't in...I didn't intentionally play under my level. But, if I were just some GUY...just walking in and see that Aslan threw a 432 (lowest since month #1) and MWhite threw a 466 (97 points lower than anything he's thrown to date)...I'd be VERY skeptical.

So...with the spirit of good sportsmanship in mind...unless ZDawg and Mudpuppy want to over-rule (they still have the authority despite the forfeit)...I say we lock the average at what they were entering round 1. That way...no shennanigans or even "perceived" shennanigans.

Agreed?

[Aslan]

Figures, I send you my pitiful scores at 2:44pm (I thought for sure I was out when I bowled them) and 10 minutes later you want to change the rules.

I haven't done the math but I know my average came way down.

We could have used our entering average each month, but you didn't want to do that.

Now you want to quit changing averages? Seems a little fishy to me.

I started writing that post right after the last one at about 2:43. I finished at 2:54. Your text is showing up on my phone at 2:47. So yeah, I can see where a reasonable person would "wonder". But like I said...even if we use your absurd scores (65 pins below your average??)...it's hurting VDubtx more than me because I got stuck playing Temecula last week and it was HORRIBLE. So my average would drop 5 pins to your 8 (unoffially, the official spreadsheet is on my home computer and I'm at work). Thats why I said, I'm "open" to letting the averages float during the 3 rounds of the tournament. With you actually participating...there's no way for us to cheat next month.

But think of it this way...lets say we keep them the same and next round...Stormed1 has a health issue and posts that he can't bowl in November. Lets say VDub hasn't bowled yet in November. You beat me...and VDub reports a 112-99-101 = 312 Series. Are you willing to stand by your decision to let the averages float? Becuase IF we decide to let them float...there is ZERO rules to stop VDub from doing that and some would argue he'd be a fool not to.

I just point that out because I want to make sure everyone is TOTALLY COOL with whatever final decision is made. I'm willing to forfeit my 5-pin advantage from this round to ensure there's no funny business going into the finals...but thats just me. If anyone else wants to make a case to let the averages float...and Mudpuppy and ZDawg will buy into it...I'm always willing to be (and often am) over-ruled.

[zdawg]

That is most unfortunate. Right about the time you were posting this, I was bowling. And it wasn't pretty.

I figured I was out.

Ah man that sucks...for me :( but good for you

But I learned an important lesson about procrastination, and when I have some time I'll apply that lesson, later, when I have some time :D

[Mike White]

I started writing that post right after the last one at about 2:43. I finished at 2:54. Your text is showing up on my phone at 2:47. So yeah, I can see where a reasonable person would "wonder". But like I said...even if we use your absurd scores (65 pins below your average??)...it's hurting VDubtx more than me because I got stuck playing Temecula last week and it was HORRIBLE. So my average would drop 5 pins to your 8 (unoffially, the official spreadsheet is on my home computer and I'm at work). Thats why I said, I'm "open" to letting the averages float during the 3 rounds of the tournament. With you actually participating...there's no way for us to cheat next month.

Well do you turn your scores in to anyone other than yourself?

If not, there is always a way for you to cheat.

What absurd score was 65 below average?

And I don't care if you had a problem with Temecula, you had fair warning about that place.

It sounds like the conditions were similar to when we went there in the past.

Hot, muggy, noisy, flashing masking units, and who knows what kind of oil pattern.

[Aslan]

Well do you turn your scores in to anyone other than yourself?

If not, there is always a way for you to cheat.

What absurd score was 65 below average?

And I don't care if you had a problem with Temecula, you had fair warning about that place.

It sounds like the conditions were similar to when we went there in the past.

Hot, muggy, noisy, flashing masking units, and who knows what kind of oil pattern.

Okay "Mr. Technical Pants" (watch me get an infraction for "name calling")…YES….I guess if we really wanted to…we could find a way to cheat. ALL FOUR OF US….could find some way. It's the drawback of handicap AND 'virtual'. BUT…with us playing each other…neither of us could "cheat" by just sandbagging…or we'd risk losing.

I suppose YOU could. I mean, given the way I've been bowling…as you know and have seen in person…YOU could shave 30-60 pins off your usual score and probably still beat me. It's "risky"…but a strategy that would pay off against VDubtx.

But like I said…if zdawg and Mudpuppy think adjusting is more fair…I will defer to them. I just think given that more than half the field didn't participate…which I hadn't expected…it introduced a significant cheating possibility I had not planned for. And to be honest…I looked at my game…even though I DIDNT sandbag…and thought, "Is it FAIR that I knew ahead of time on 10/18 that I was bowling against nobody and thus COULD have just rolled a few 90 games?" Now, if I did that…(which I wouldn't out of principle because sandbaggers disgust me)…I have a feeling you would have called me on it BIG TIME…right? But I just thought about it and thought, "Ya know…I don't deserve to reduce my average by 5 pins and get 15 pins (series) of handicap…at THIS stage of the game…when "technically" I had an advantage. I mean, what if subconsciously, knowing the pressure was off…I bowled worse? I tend to bowl "up" to the situation…maybe subconsciously I bowled "down". It just didn't feel right.

Most every game…I intentionally bowled before my opponent. I can't think of ONE month I bowled after knowing what I had to beat. I did that intentionally:
1) Because I wanted to avoid procrastination issues like ZDawg and Mudpuppy ran into.
2) Because I didn't WANT to know what I was bowling against. I didn't WANT to have an advantage that nobody else had.

I don't like it. I'd never cheat…but I don't even like it when there's a possibility I could. Did you know that in nearly every single VBT game, I actually took pictures of the scores and asked for printouts? In fantasy football, when I ran the league at work…I immediately switched to a system where all free agent bids were done automatically…no more sending them to me. I didn't want anyone saying I got a guy they asked for because I knew something others didn't know.

The less excuses people have when I defeat them…the better the victory!!

[MICHAEL]

[QUOTE=Aslan;118455]Okay "Mr. Technical Pants" (watch me get an infraction for "name calling")…YES….I guess if we really wanted to…we could find a way to cheat. ALL FOUR OF US….could find some way. It's the drawback of handicap AND 'virtual'. BUT…with us playing each other…neither of us could "cheat" by just sandbagging…or we'd risk losing.

I suppose YOU could. I mean, given the way I've been bowling…as you know and have seen in person…YOU could shave 30-60 pins off your usual score and probably still beat me. It's "risky"…but a strategy that would pay off against VDubtx.

But like I said…if zdawg and Mudpuppy think adjusting is more fair…I will defer to them. I just think given that more than half the field didn't participate…which I hadn't expected…it introduced a significant cheating possibility I had not planned for. And to be honest…I looked at my game…even though I DIDNT sandbag…and thought, "Is it FAIR that I knew ahead of time on 10/18 that I was bowling against nobody and thus COULD have just rolled a few 90 games?" Now, if I did that…(which I wouldn't out of principle because sandbaggers disgust me)…I have a feeling you would have called me on it BIG TIME…right? But I just thought about it and thought, "Ya know…I don't deserve to reduce my average by 5 pins and get 15 pins (series) of handicap…at THIS stage of the game…when "technically" I had an advantage. I mean, what if subconsciously, knowing the pressure was off…I bowled worse? I tend to bowl "up" to the situation…maybe subconsciously I bowled "down". It just didn't feel right.

Most every game…I intentionally bowled before my opponent. I can't think of ONE month I bowled after knowing what I had to beat. I did that intentionally:
1) Because I wanted to avoid procrastination issues like ZDawg and Mudpuppy ran into.
2) Because I didn't WANT to know what I was bowling against. I didn't WANT to have an advantage that nobody else had.

I don't like it. I'd never cheat…but I don't even like it when there's a possibility I could. Did you know that in nearly every single VBT game, I actually took pictures of the scores and asked for printouts? In fantasy football, when I ran the league at work…I immediately switched to a system where all free agent bids were done automatically…no more sending them to me. I didn't want anyone saying I got a guy they asked for because I knew something others didn't know.

NOW YOU KNOW WHY ICEMAN DOSEN"T WANT ANY PART OF THIS Tournament!! Even taking pictures anymore, (with photo shop, seeing is not reality). Been to the movies lately, blue screens ect ect.

I knew that cheating might be going on, and the Bible says MIke, Cast not the first stone, unless you have not sinned thy self! I think what the Lord is saying is those that think others might be cheating on bowling scores, might be cheating themselves! ICE don't think anyone is cheating!

I am not saying ANYONE IS Cheating, but who knows, its a honor system, with many questionable X felons that frequent this site!!

That's why I like in person, in your face, bowling tournaments: Like the one coming up June 13 in Plattsburg. Start saving your money for a air ticket to KCI,,,, plenty of time to put away some beer money, for trip: The REAL MEN BOWL ON WOOD IN SMALL TOWNS tournament!!

[vdubtx]

I don't see anywhere in the rules(first post) that you specifically stated what was to happen with averages after September. I do see changes to averages in April through September for the "tour" part of the event.

I think holding averages since we are now in the playoffs would be the best course of action.

If all would have known we weren't bowling against anyone, we could have all sand bagged and bowled 100 games and still won and set ourselves up with a nice lower average into the next round.

I am not like that in any way. No matter what, I go out on the lanes to do my ultimate best that I can each and every game. Regardless if I get beat or not, I know in my mind that I performed to my best ability. Just not in me to lower my game to any other level.

A 97?!?!? Really? Wow. Even in the worst conditions I don't think I could get that low. We're you playing low ball?

[vdubtx]

I am not saying ANYONE IS Cheating, but who knows, its a honor system, with many questionable X felons that frequent this site!!


Really ICEMAN??? Many questionable X felons??? Your imagination never ceases to amaze me. Lol.

[MICHAEL]

Really ICEMAN??? Many questionable X felons??? Your imagination never ceases to amaze me. Lol.

Hey did you know that Aslan, the orchestrator of this un- Virtual tournament, did time for WORD-E-NESS!!! I guess he talked a beautiful young chick to death!!! They are not sure to this day if it was his WORD-E-NESS, or if she was just bored to death listening to his theories, and thoughts on bowling!

Yes he tried to TALK HIS way out of it, in court, but the judged just slapped more time to his sentence! He ,,, was WORDLESS for the first time in his life!!

It was a sad day in Aslan's life, but to keep himself company he still sleeps with a dictionary next to his bed,,,, yes,,, the same one his mother used to read him to sleep with!!

[Mike White]

I don't see anywhere in the rules(first post) that you specifically stated what was to happen with averages after September. I do see changes to averages in April through September for the "tour" part of the event.

I think holding averages since we are now in the playoffs would be the best course of action.

If all would have known we weren't bowling against anyone, we could have all sand bagged and bowled 100 games and still won and set ourselves up with a nice lower average into the next round.

I am not like that in any way. No matter what, I go out on the lanes to do my ultimate best that I can each and every game. Regardless if I get beat or not, I know in my mind that I performed to my best ability. Just not in me to lower my game to any other level.

A 97?!?!? Really? Wow. Even in the worst conditions I don't think I could get that low. We're you playing low ball?

I shot 244 for my practice game, and the lanes changed significantly after that, after a couple of 180's (that's vs someone getting 50 pins of hdcp) I would need a damn good 3rd game.

So when I started out with 2-4-10, and 2-10, I figured I was out and anything I did wouldn't matter.

All I was trying to do was finish the game, and go home.

The time stamp on my last game was right about the time zdawg posted here, so I had no advance knowledge of his forfeit.

[vdubtx]

I shot 244 for my practice game, and the lanes changed significantly after that, after a couple of 180's (that's vs someone getting 50 pins of hdcp) I would need a damn good 3rd game.

So when I started out with 2-4-10, and 2-10, I figured I was out and anything I did wouldn't matter.

All I was trying to do was finish the game, and go home.

The time stamp on my last game was right about the time zdawg posted here, so I had no advance knowledge of his forfeit.

2 splits doesn't end a game. Punch out and you still have mid 200's.

[Mike White]

2 splits doesn't end a game. Punch out and you still have mid 200's.

Yeah but the two 180's showed that punching out was about as unlikely as Aslan dating Diana Z.

[vdubtx]

Yeah but the two 180's showed that punching out was about as unlikely as Aslan dating Diana Z.

The 2 games prior don't mean a thing. Have bowled 300 after bowling 180-190 game before.

[Aslan]

Yeah but the two 180's showed that punching out was about as unlikely as Aslan dating Diana Z.

Aw CMON!!

If she's willing to date Wodka…at least her standards are low enough that 'maybe' Aslan has a chance!! I mean, if it was Rash or Belmo….well, okay. But WODKA!!??? Might as well date Jason Couch or Wes Malott or Stuart Williams!!

Shannon O'Keefe, Missy Parkin, Danielle McEwen, and Stephanie Nation are all hot…but also married!!

I mean damn…finding a single bowling chick that is halfway decent looking is ROUGH! Maybe Christina Hardee??? I think she's blond and kinda young. Maybe?

[Blacksox1]

97 Reminds me of an ole song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHKxk719AMc enjoy!

[MICHAEL]

Yes,,, this picture expresses my feelings....http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/imagine686868/boring_zpst54ehjyl.gif (http://s1243.photobucket.com/user/imagine686868/media/boring_zpst54ehjyl.gif.html) but I keep coming back, what's wrong with ICE?

If you could read the Zombie's lips,,, which he doesn't have,,, he is saying: " Aslan Take my X wife, she loves to bowl, almost as much as she loves to eat brain!

http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz216/Peacefulrain09/TV%20Shows/tumblr_lvdpzb2Jri1qb82q8o3_250.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/Peacefulrain09/media/TV%20Shows/tumblr_lvdpzb2Jri1qb82q8o3_250.gif.html)

Hi Aslan,,, why waste your time in a virtual world, when you can have ME!! Did hear your a real brainy type,,,, hummmm,,,, my kind of guy!!

[Mike White]

97 Reminds me of an ole song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHKxk719AMc enjoy!

Typical management. Get there on time.. safety be damned.

[Aslan]

Just so everyone is aware...center assignments and average are posted in the Virtual Tour General Information page.

I will get the scores up on the Standings page when I get a chance...hopefully tonight or early this week.

[Aslan]

Well, I got my games in tonight. I have to say…unless Mike either forfeits or really, really screws up…I'm probably toast. It wasn't a complete abysmal failure…but I will give some "hints" as to my performance…

- I struck 7 times in 3 games….I think 1 was a double.
- I left the 1-2-4 3 times in practice.
- The highlight of the night was not only that a cute girl smiled at me…but I picked up a 5-7 split in Game 1.
- I was 70% on single-pin spares but only 50% on the corner pins.

I might have had a chance had I not drawn my home center. I've actually been bowling better at Fountain Bowl and would have probably done better at Arlington. Now I got a sub-par outing and a -10-pin deduction to boot.

And remember, tie goes to scratch pinball so VDubtx and MWhite really only need to take 2 points and they'll likely win. Stormed and I need to take 3 of 4 to avoid the tiebreaker.

Good luck all!!

[Mike White]

Well, I got my games in tonight. I have to say…unless Mike either forfeits or really, really screws up…I'm probably toast. It wasn't a complete abysmal failure…but I will give some "hints" as to my performance…

- I struck 7 times in 3 games….I think 1 was a double.
- I left the 1-2-4 3 times in practice.
- The highlight of the night was not only that a cute girl smiled at me…but I picked up a 5-7 split in Game 1.
- I was 70% on single-pin spares but only 50% on the corner pins.

I might have had a chance had I not drawn my home center. I've actually been bowling better at Fountain Bowl and would have probably done better at Arlington. Now I got a sub-par outing and a -10-pin deduction to boot.

And remember, tie goes to scratch pinball so VDubtx and MWhite really only need to take 2 points and they'll likely win. Stormed and I need to take 3 of 4 to avoid the tiebreaker.

Good luck all!!

I'm confused.. are we bowling, or playing pinball?

[Hampe]

I'm confused.. are we bowling, or playing pinball?Pinball is only for the tiebreaker I think....

I know Aslan has some crazy rules he invented, but I didn't realize how unorthodox they actually were.

[vdubtx]

RULES:
- USBC rules apply.
- THREE games…not best of 9, not best of 12. Cheaters make Aslan very upset…and Iceman even MORE upset…if you need to cheat at an online tournament then save the bowling money and spend it on therapy.
- You MAY bowl 1 game as a "warm-up". 5 frames each if it's a pair of you…3 frames each if it's a threesome. More than 3 players may bowl 1 warm-up game per 3 players, 2 games per 4-6 players, 3 games per 7-9 players, etc…

SCORING:
- HANDICAP TOUR. Handicap is 90% of 220. (220 - your average) * 90%. 220 averages and higher bowl scratch.
- Your average (and thus handicap) changes EACH WEEK. It's a TOUR…which means for the months of April through September…it is a VIRTUAL LEAGUE where your average goes up and down (just like a league).
- You will get POINTS for each win against your pre-selected bowling opponent each game and overall handicap series. 4 points per month at stake.
- At the end of SEPTEMBER….the top half of the participants (minus 3) will compete in a single elimination virtual tournament similar to March Madness style single elimination.
- Regardless of point totals, the participant(s) with the:
- most games bowled above average.
- most improved average.
- highest scratch pinball.
will receive automatic bids to the tournament. If there is a tie or one of those participants already makes the cut, we'll just continue down the points list to fill the last 3 spots.
- Seeding in the tournament will be based on points: most points plays least points (of those that make the cut), etc…


Well, pinball is in the official rules, so I guess Pinball it is to determine winner in case of a tie.

[Aslan]

Well, pinball is in the official rules, so I guess Pinball it is to determine winner in case of a tie.

I hope not....because I'm even worse at pinball than I am at bowling.

And those were the rules to gain entry into the tournament...which is already in the 2nd round.

And there wasn't really anything "unorthodox" in the rules other than using your starting average as counting towards your ending average. And that was done to stop sandbaggers....so the sandbaggers all complained about it. But really, it's not much different than bowling in a league that uses a book average for the first 3 weeks. I just modified that same approach taking into account that this entire "tour" (including finals tournament) is roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of a typical house league. We simply don't have the luxury to allow people to "establish".

Most tournaments handle this by just using your entering average and not adjusting it...which is what we're doing for the Finals. I was just worried that some of the averages we were using, since they weren't all USBC sanctioned, would be "off"...and I was correct about that. Every single person in the tournament (like 17 people) increased their average over 6 months with only ONE exception (I think JAnderson).

Now, I attribute much of that to the rule change made after week 1 where we went from random center assignments to "selected centers". The goal behind the random centers was not only to get people to explore different centers around them..but also to provide the bowler with a more realistic, high stakes, "feel" because they were out of their element. It would force them to travel 25 miles and bowl in a place they most likely have never been inside of...much like tournament conditions. In that first round, scores were fairly low, averaging 179 compared to the starting averages of 176. In the second round after everyone picked their own centers....the average was 194 and the average for rounds 2-5 was 191. 3 players improved their starting averages by > 20 pins in 18 games or less.

Now it 'could' have been that everyone tended to sandbag in round 1, averaging only a few pins higher than their starting average. But I think the 10-15 pin per game jump in later rounds was more likely due to more comfortable center assignments.

[Mudpuppy]

Pinball is only for the tiebreaker I think....

I know Aslan has some crazy rules he invented, but I didn't realize how unorthodox they actually were.

Lot of backroom dealings going on

[Mike White]

Lot of backroom dealings going on

If Aslan goes into a back room, he's coming out without kneecaps.

[Aslan]

SCORES POSTED!!!

Our Championship will feature our two highest average bowlers; VDubtx and MWhite!!!

What were the scores?? Go check yourselves in the results thread.

What are their center assignments?? Coming shortly to the General Information thread.

[vdubtx]

Have submitted my scores to Aslan for the finals. :cool:

Let's see what Mike submits and if I had enough to beat him. :D

[Aslan]

It all comes down to MikeW!

I'm sure he'll wait till the last minute and bowl there on New Year's Eve.

[Mike White]

It all comes down to MikeW!

I'm sure he'll wait till the last minute and bowl there on New Year's Eve.

It looks like my options are Fri 26th, or Mon 29th

[Mike White]

My plan to bowl on Monday 29th fell apart.

So I squeezed it in today (30th) noon.

My fear going to Deer Creek was that it was a Brunswick run center when I selected it, but now it's run by Bowlmor.

Seems Bowlmor decided to make the lanes even easier than Brunswick had them.

I was able to give VDubTx a run for the title.

I'll wait for Aslan to deliver the results.

[NewToBowling]

So who won?

[Mike White]

So who won?

That would be me, but I've never seen anything resembling a gift certificate, Aslan must have pocketed that one himself.

[vdubtx]

Aslan didn't have the gift certificate, Bowling Boards did, you should contact the admin as he is the one that authorized the use of a gift card initially.

[NewToBowling]

That would be me, but I've never seen anything resembling a gift certificate, Aslan must have pocketed that one himself.

Congrats. The gift certificate was his admin fee I guess :)

[Mike White]

Aslan didn't have the gift certificate, Bowling Boards did, you should contact the admin as he is the one that authorized the use of a gift card initially.

Rather than the certificate, I was hoping for the...


One last thing (sorry no cliff notes here). I will throw in a custom wood sign for the overall winner. I will need input on design (nothing too crazy) but here is an example (non-bowling related) to give you an idea:

http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o348/mudpuppyr6/IMG956178.jpg (http://s340.photobucket.com/user/mudpuppyr6/media/IMG956178.jpg.html)

But with my luck, Mud would spray paint all over it :)

[Aslan]

Well, thats a bummer.