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Stryker814
04-10-2014, 08:51 PM
I just started back bowling after a 2 year break. When i quit I was averaging 220 - 225. Now im struggling to average 205. Could yall take a min and watch the video of my approach and release and give me any input on things I could improve on. I spit in the video because I missed my mark 3 boards to the left and got the ball out late. This is 7 boards right with my feet and 5 with my mark than my typical setup. Also im using a Hammer Back Lash drilled pin up with 4000 grit abralon and fresh polish. High speed/high rev bowler. Was practicing throwing over 10. I would appreciate any help.

http://youtu.be/EYXmZ9hmSSs

Let me know if the link works. First time uploading to youtube.

What im trying to do is become more consistent. I seem to miss my target left or right 2 - 3 boards. Im wondering if its something with my timing causing it. But if any other problems are noticed please feel free to let me know.

RobLV1
04-10-2014, 10:50 PM
Wow, footwork! From the look of the video, you seem to be under 6' tall, and you are using a 4 step approach, yet you are standing nearly all the way back on the approach. With steps that are this long, and this fast, it's virutally impossible to throw two shots the same. It's kind of like a footrace, and each result is different. If there is a certified coach in your area (preferably silver level or above), spend the time and the money to take a lesson. One should do it. You won't be disappointed with the results.

Mudpuppy
04-10-2014, 11:02 PM
My recommendation is to take a longer video - one shot really doesn't show anything. Just what you did on that one shot. And the camera needs to be landscape oriented not portrait. I think the resident experts here could tell you more if they saw 5-6 shots. To me it seems like a rushed shot like Rob said. Move up about 5' and take a slower approach.

Stryker814
04-10-2014, 11:16 PM
I'll try to get my wife to take some videos tomorrow night during league to post. I'll move up to the next set of dots and see what kind of results I get. Would that be preferred vs changing to a 5 step approach? Also there is only 1 certified coach listed in Louisiana and I personally know the guy already and I don't think he can help me. He used to own the pro shop at the house in town.

Blacksox1
04-10-2014, 11:55 PM
With viewing this one shot, your head appears to move to the left just before the last step/slide and release. At the point in the backswing when the ball is above your head, you look steady. Your game is very aggressive with high speed and backswing. A small variance in delivery can cause a large difference in consistency downlane. Make another video, and I will comment further. :)

sprocket
04-11-2014, 08:19 AM
I see the head movement too. Not maintaining posture at release can be a sign of muscling the ball at the last second. Be smooth and steady especially through release. If that initially costs some speed, so be it. The speed may come back but I don't know if you even need as much speed as you have.

Aslan
04-11-2014, 12:08 PM
I think it looks nice. I wish I could get that backswing and speed and still get some semblance of movement on synthetic lanes.

But obviously I defer to the experts.

Stryker814
04-11-2014, 02:17 PM
I'm going to try moving up tonight. I have made the move before and lost very little if any speed. Maybe it will help be steady through my release as well as help the consistency of crossing my mark. I will get additional videos tonight. Since it's league I will only be able to get them from behind. But I'll try to get 3 or 4. I really appreciate y'all's help.

Mike White
04-11-2014, 03:08 PM
I'm going to try moving up tonight. I have made the move before and lost very little if any speed. Maybe it will help be steady through my release as well as help the consistency of crossing my mark. I will get additional videos tonight. Since it's league I will only be able to get them from behind. But I'll try to get 3 or 4. I really appreciate y'all's help.

Moving up or back probably won't change your speed because your speed comes from a combination of the high back swing, the strong 3rd step push, and the raising of the shoulders at the release.

The first thing to try, is to not pull up at the foul line.

That will reduce the "whip" motion.

You can also try for a lower back swing, but that will have an effect on your timing.. (save that for the off season)

Stryker814
04-11-2014, 03:26 PM
Moving up or back probably won't change your speed because your speed comes from a combination of the high back swing, the strong 3rd step push, and the raising of the shoulders at the release.

The first thing to try, is to not pull up at the foul line.

That will reduce the "whip" motion.

You can also try for a lower back swing, but that will have an effect on your timing.. (save that for the off season)

I just wonder if my fast foot work is causing me to speed up my back swing to catch up which in return is causing the whip motion and jerking of my head?

Stryker814
04-12-2014, 07:52 AM
So last night I stayed with my same approach and concentrated more on my mark and keeping my head steady. I felt like that helped my timing. My wife got a few videos I'll upload and let y'all watch. However I shot 256-266 made a bad ball change and lost everything and shoot 169 my last game. Changed to my storm tropical breeze and started playing down and in. Not a comfortable shot for me and needs a lot of work.

Stryker814
04-13-2014, 08:52 PM
I uploaded the videos my wife got the other night. Some are landscape and some are portrait. Hope this will give yall some more info to provide me with some feedback. I noticed on them my head was more stable on my release just because I was actually concentrating on that part of my game. Thanks for yalls help.

You should be able to find the other videos if you go to my channel. I made them public so yall could see them all without me having to link all of them. If that doesnt work please let me know and I will link them.

Hammer
04-13-2014, 10:38 PM
It looks like you have some good things going on. You start your swing on the first step which is what you should do on a four step approach. Your swing seems to stay under your head going back and on your forward swing. The ball is close to your ankle when you get into the release zone which is good. It seems like you are rushing your swing because your approach is so fast. If you move up two or three feet on the approach and make your first two steps a little slower and closer together then you won't feel the need to rush your swing to keep up with your feet. Your footwork should gradually speed up as you get closer to your slide and release.

Here is a Kegel link to look at about a correct approach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fo29U0iXd8

Stryker814
04-13-2014, 10:58 PM
It looks like you have some good things going on. You start your swing on the first step which is what you should do on a four step approach. Your swing seems to stay under your head going back and on your forward swing. The ball is close to your ankle when you get into the release zone which is good. It seems like you are rushing your swing because your approach is so fast. If you move up two or three feet on the approach and make your first two steps a little slower and closer together then you won't feel the need to rush your swing to keep up with your feet. Your footwork should gradually speed up as you get closer to your slide and release.

Here is a Kegel link to look at about a correct approach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fo29U0iXd8

I will try to work on that. That night those videos were taken I really concentrated on my mark. Doing so I felt like it slowed my approach down. Now im not sure if it felt like that because of me concentrating more than normal on my mark or what. But I will be going to practice Tues night when I go pick up my Hammer Black Widow Assassin. So ill try moving up a little. I tried moving up during practice the night of those videos but it threw me off so bad I figured my chances were better off with me bowling like I normally do. Thanks for your input and I will get more videos Tuesday.

Stryker814
04-23-2014, 10:33 PM
Sorry I'm late getting back on here. Been a busy week. Anyway I changed my approach. It has helped a little but I'm still getting use to it. I uploaded some more videos my wife took of my tonight. A couple she forgot to turn her phone. Any suggestions on my next step to improve my game. I really appreciate all y'all's help.

http://youtu.be/sFYt5EnJ514