can't remember the exact name, this week the swing open?

[LOUVIT]

One lane with 35' of oil and the other with 55' ?????? My pso Tom bowled against belmo and they were both throwing straight balls on the 55' pattern. I've never seen that before.

[Mike White]

One lane with 35' of oil and the other with 55' ?????? My pso Tom bowled against belmo and they were both throwing straight balls on the 55' pattern. I've never seen that before.

You're thinking the King of Swing event (last event)

If you notice the oil pattern graphic, there is a TON of oil inside 15 which acts like massive hold area.

They may have been able to score with a more normal line, but it's hard to beat your opponent when they are taking advantage of the help on the lane, and you aren't.

[fortheloveofbowling]

You're thinking the King of Swing event (last event)

If you notice the oil pattern graphic, there is a TON of oil inside 15 which acts like massive hold area.

They may have been able to score with a more normal line, but it's hard to beat your opponent when they are taking advantage of the help on the lane, and you aren't.

50+ feet of oil i'm guessing there is quite a bit of hold area. :rolleyes:

[LOUVIT]

50+ feet of oil i'm guessing there is quite a bit of hold area. :rolleyes:


Ya think? lol, dam 2 big hook guy's throwing straight balls.

[Mike White]

50+ feet of oil i'm guessing there is quite a bit of hold area. :rolleyes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbTUTNenvCY

Hold area isn't strictly about the lack of friction.

If the oil is thick enough, it acts like a "mountain range" with a height that is difficult to summit.

[Mike White]

Ya think? lol, dam 2 big hook guy's throwing straight balls.

They weren't "straight" balls, they just hooked MUCH later than you're accustomed to seeing.

When was the last time you saw actual straight balls carry as well as what you saw in this tournament?

[fortheloveofbowling]

They weren't "straight" balls, they just hooked MUCH later than you're accustomed to seeing.

When was the last time you saw actual straight balls carry as well as what you saw in this tournament?

Mike, those guys were covering 3 boards on the back end max.....

[Mike White]

Mike, those guys were covering 3 boards on the back end max.....

How many boards are required to be considered not straight?

3 boards in 10 feet is more angle than if you released on the 1 board, and went straight at the pocket 60 feet later.

Add to that the consistency of exiting the pattern on that same board due to the wall of oil, and you're much better off than attempting to shoot straight from the corner.

[LOUVIT]

They weren't "straight" balls, they just hooked MUCH later than you're accustomed to seeing.

When was the last time you saw actual straight balls carry as well as what you saw in this tournament?

I didn't mean a line drive...lol.. but they sure weren't bellying the ball and as far as carry is it really hook or revs? Even a straight ball can hit hard with good revs I would think

[Mike White]

I didn't mean a line drive...lol.. but they sure weren't bellying the ball and as far as carry is it really hook or revs? Even a straight ball can hit hard with good revs I would think

What is the purpose of bellying the ball?

Does that purpose apply on 50 feet oil with a massive wall at 15 board?

You need the ball to hook to achieve the amount of deflection that gives the best chance of knocking all 10 pins down.

If you could release the ball from a couple lanes over, and loft the ball such that it lands on your lane, then you could throw it straight and achieve the equivalent of hook.

Since that technique isn't encouraged, you learn to hook the ball.

To hook the ball, you need good revs.

But good revs, that don't cause the ball to hook (think plastic ball) are no better than no revs at all.

Deflection is based on impact angles, and momentum.

Understanding deflection would require some familiarity with physics.

One of the laws you learn in physics is during a collision between two objects, the sum of the objects momentum before the collision is the same as the sum of the objects momentum after the collision.

[LOUVIT]

What is the purpose of bellying the ball?

Does that purpose apply on 50 feet oil with a massive wall at 15 board?

You need the ball to hook to achieve the amount of deflection that gives the best chance of knocking all 10 pins down.

If you could release the ball from a couple lanes over, and loft the ball such that it lands on your lane, then you could throw it straight and achieve the equivalent of hook.

Since that technique isn't encouraged, you learn to hook the ball.

To hook the ball, you need good revs.

But good revs, that don't cause the ball to hook (think plastic ball) are no better than no revs at all.

Deflection is based on impact angles, and momentum.

Understanding deflection would require some familiarity with physics.

One of the laws you learn in physics is during a collision between two objects, the sum of the objects momentum before the collision is the same as the sum of the objects momentum after the collision.

Maybe I'm not saying it correctly, Doesn't Belmo throw from the left to the right and the ball turns back to the left? that's what I mean by bellying. All I'm saying is that on 55' of oil they weren't doing that.

look at this video starting at 14 min 25 seconds and watch Belmo's 2 shots. Better angle at 25:30 minutesfirst one belly second lane almost straight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeNDafdkOcc

[RobLV1]

Maybe I'm not saying it correctly, Doesn't Belmo throw from the left to the right and the ball turns back to the left? that's what I mean by bellying. All I'm saying is that on 55' of oil they weren't doing that.

look at this video starting at 14 min 25 seconds and watch Belmo's 2 shots. Better angle at 25:30 minutesfirst one belly second lane almost straight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeNDafdkOcc

It wasn't that they weren't hooking the ball, it was simply that the ball ball doesn't hook until it finds friction past the pattern. With a fifty-five foot pattern on a sixty foot lane, the ball is not going to hook much, regardless of the rev rate.

[Mike White]

Maybe I'm not saying it correctly, Doesn't Belmo throw from the left to the right and the ball turns back to the left? that's what I mean by bellying. All I'm saying is that on 55' of oil they weren't doing that.

look at this video starting at 14 min 25 seconds and watch Belmo's 2 shots. Better angle at 25:30 minutesfirst one belly second lane almost straight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeNDafdkOcc

Did you miss 4:50 the fact that the left lane had the long oil 52', while the right lane had short oil 32'?

On the short oil Belmo needs to delay the hook as much as possible. To do that, he launches the ball in a left to right direction.

On the long oil, he didn't need any delay, so he played as straight as possible.

If you notice, in the first match, Malott plays a little angle from right to left towards the pocket on the long oil lane.

He gained in angle of entry, but didn't take advantage of the mountain of oil inside 15.