Novel Concept/Idea: The Bowling ball does not matter??

[Aslan]

60% of the time, it strikes every time...



They need to do a side by side comparison of the Radical Reax Pearl and Radical Reax Pearl Version 2 to explain why they released the first version on July 2013 and then the Version 2 January 2014. I mean, what horrible things are wrong with the first version that you release version 2 only 6 months later?

[MICHAEL]

Both my deadly aims have unique sweet moves to the pocket! I am not a robot, but once I find the line needed the ball will crush the pins! My 4 favorite balls are: Deadly Aim 1 and 2, Hyper Cell, and my old virtual Gravity Nanno! You can make any ball look SUPER, if you set the robot up to the advantage of a particular ball, on a particular lane.

Not a great comparison at all! Doesn't prove much at all other then that shot with the balls!

[Aslan]

Both my deadly aims have unique sweet moves to the pocket! I am not a robot, but once I find the line needed the ball will crush the pins! My 4 favorite balls are: Deadly Aim 1 and 2, Hyper Cell, and my old virtual Gravity Nanno! You can make any ball look SUPER, if you set the robot up to the advantage of a particular ball, on a particular lane.

Not a great comparison at all! Doesn't prove much at all other then that shot with the balls!

All you need now is video proof.

The robot did his experiement and showed the results. The Encounter Project should be uploaded to YouTube by tonight.

[Aslan]

Well folks!!! The long awaited conclusion to this experiment is HERE!!

Have fun watching it!



One thing I need to point out is, for the trained eye…you might be able to see a difference between my release early on in the video and the release you see at the end. For example, I see the following changes (or at least I think I see them):

Rev Rate has increased from roughly 182rpm to 258rpm.
Ball Speed has increased from 14.4mph to 14.7mph.
Axis Tilt and Axis Rotation have changed on the ball. It used to have a very high degree of axis rotation and very little axis tilt. (unless I'm getting those backwards)

[MICHAEL]

90 percent of your problem is simply
Focus
HIT YOUR FIRCKEN MARK,,,

FOCUS,,,, plain and simple, at one point you asked MIke what board you rolled over!

YOU SHOULD KNOW EACH TIME exactly what board,,, You looking up with your eyes!

Looks like your still squeezing the ball, several balls lofted, RELAX THAT FRICKEN THUMB!

Other then Focus, and relax the hand your set to go!! Go where??? PLATTSBURG Missouri

June 13th!

Novel concept, FOCUS!!!! LOL,,,, your form looks GOOD, well OK! ..... GRRRRRRRR,,, FOCUS ON THAT MARK!!!
I am not sure YOU hit the same spot twice!!! @#$%$^#$@!!!!!!!

Relax your bowling hand, and KEEP THAT EYE ON YOUR TARGET,,, all your problems solved, and I am not a Fricken Coach, but I am GIFTED!!

[larry mc]

try a guru and a slingshot and tell me the ball makes no difference , end of story

[MICHAEL]

great vedio, LOL,,, I really enjoyed watching it! Had to watch it twice, does that tell you how bored ICE is on this cold light snowing day in Kansas City MO!
BUT, we will have to agree, to disagree on drilling!

I need to make a post of the Dealdly Aim that Rob gave me, and mine with the same surface preparation! His has that hocky stick left turn signal, down at the end of its journey, my Dealdy Aim has a beautiful arc to pocket? I like both movements, they are JUST DIFFERENT.

I put them o the spinner and prepared them exactly the same. I say drilling Does make a difference! But then what does Ice know,,,, I am just the old guy that beat you in Vegas!!! THINK THINGS MIGHT BE different in Plattsburg???? Where will your game be in 8 months???

I might get my camera out and video my two Deadly Aims!!!

Hey bud,,, FOUCS!!

[Aslan]

try a guru and a slingshot and tell me the ball makes no difference , end of story

You must be commenting on the original thread title/topic and not the video because the video doesn't hypothesize that there is no difference from ball to ball…it explores whether there is a difference in two identical balls with different drilling layouts and different surfaces.

As to whether the Guru is stronger than the Slingshot…I think obviously it is. BUT….is it noticeably different at a rev rate of 182rpm?? I haven't ran that experiment yet. I think it would be a great experiment for the "robot" where it throws at a <250rpm rev rate to see what the difference is. And I am CONFIDENT that when you start getting into >250 rev rate….you're going to see some differences…some REAL differences.

But is different good? If I have to really "rev up" the ball or hit up on the ball to get a different reaction…is the different reaction worth the reduced accuracy? Will that high rev rate and stronger ball reactions interfere with your ability to play shorter or drier patterns? Hard to say.

All this experiment did was show that:
1) Changing the drill layout on two nearly identical balls…to the layouts shown…had virtually no affect on ball reaction at 182rpms.
2) Changing the surface on those balls, with a rev rate of 258rpms, saw a slightly different reaction…with the more surfaced ball seemingly reacting sooner to the lane (but not necessarily more).
3) At 182rpms, the difference from one ball to another ball IN TERMS OF HITTING THE POCKET is negligible.

As to the last point, more investigation would need to be done to look at HOW the balls hit the pocket and the path they take. My coach seems to see a difference from ball to ball in terms of when it starts to hook. I struggle to see that. In the video, MWhite seemed to see some differences that I couldn't really see.

[Mike White]

You must be commenting on the original thread title/topic and not the video because the video doesn't hypothesize that there is no difference from ball to ball…it explores whether there is a difference in two identical balls with different drilling layouts and different surfaces.

As to whether the Guru is stronger than the Slingshot…I think obviously it is. BUT….is it noticeably different at a rev rate of 182rpm?? I haven't ran that experiment yet. I think it would be a great experiment for the "robot" where it throws at a <250rpm rev rate to see what the difference is. And I am CONFIDENT that when you start getting into >250 rev rate….you're going to see some differences…some REAL differences.

But is different good? If I have to really "rev up" the ball or hit up on the ball to get a different reaction…is the different reaction worth the reduced accuracy? Will that high rev rate and stronger ball reactions interfere with your ability to play shorter or drier patterns? Hard to say.

All this experiment did was show that:
1) Changing the drill layout on two nearly identical balls…to the layouts shown…had virtually no affect on ball reaction at 182rpms.
2) Changing the surface on those balls, with a rev rate of 258rpms, saw a slightly different reaction…with the more surfaced ball seemingly reacting sooner to the lane (but not necessarily more).
3) At 182rpms, the difference from one ball to another ball IN TERMS OF HITTING THE POCKET is negligible.

As to the last point, more investigation would need to be done to look at HOW the balls hit the pocket and the path they take. My coach seems to see a difference from ball to ball in terms of when it starts to hook. I struggle to see that. In the video, MWhite seemed to see some differences that I couldn't really see.

I thought you edited this? Then why did we see an empty lane, and the machine resetting pins so often.

I can't count the number of times I fell asleep waiting for something of interest to happen.

BTW when you thought you were putting more revs on the ball, all you were doing was spinning the ball more.

When you spun the ball out into the dry area, friction burned off the axis tilt, and it made a somewhat decent roll towards the pocket.

Along with improving your bowling skills, you need to work on your observation skills.

[Aslan]

I thought you edited this? Then why did we see an empty lane, and the machine resetting pins so often.

I can't count the number of times I fell asleep waiting for something of interest to happen.

Believe me…had I not edited it and sped up parts…you'd have fell asleep more.

BTW when you thought you were putting more revs on the ball, all you were doing was spinning the ball more.

When you spun the ball out into the dry area, friction burned off the axis tilt, and it made a somewhat decent roll towards the pocket.

Revs = spin depending on how you think about it. It's the difference between axis rotation and axis tilt. The early shots seemed to be spinning completely right to left (axis rotation). The shots at the end seemed to be rotating more in the direction of travel (axis tilt).

Along with improving your bowling skills, you need to work on your observation skills.

The only observations I made was:
1) The two balls with the same surface behaved the same.
2) The two balls with different surfaces essentially behaved the same except the surfaced ball seemed to move sooner.

Are you saying those two things are not correct?

Now, where I definitely agree with you is that I need to work on my observation skills. I am still struggling at seeing when the ball first starts to change from skid to hook and then from hook to roll. I still struggle at reading how the ball goes through the pin deck. And I can't see when the ball "burns out".

Still lots of things to learn in this, Year TWO…of my bowling journey.