Need Help With My Throw - Video Inside
I'm in 2 leagues this year and my scores the last 10 weeks or so have been atrocious! I need some help figuring it out.
My ball used to react very well and it was easy for me to pick a spot and predict it. Now, I'm getting basically no break out of my ball and its extremely frustrating.. especially when you throw with rotation and your ball slides down the alley and maybe breaks a few boards over. At this point, I might as well throw a straight ball!
Ball: C-Sytem 4.5, 15 pounds. The ball itself has been used for quite some time now and many many games. I've tried wiping it down, washing it in the dishwasher, etc.. No changes. I would think a new ball is in order, but I can't get any others balls to break much either.
I've had my friend throw my ball (2 finger bowler) and he can get the reaction out of it like I used to. I've also tried throwing one of his reactive balls and I still get my slip and slide, no reaction result. I've also even gone back to my 2-finger style and still nothing.
I throw with just my finger tips, even my thumb. Its hard for me to verify my speed as some lanes say I throw 15.5-16mph. and others down the way say 18~ mph. Other guys on the alley throw similar speeds and can still get a reaction out of the lanes.. If I slow my throw down to 11-12mph, I can get more reaction, but Its really hard for me to throw consistently at that tempo. I've also tried moving around, standing in different spots, aiming differently, etc.. Not getting much of a reaction still.
Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. My scores are embarrassing
Below is a picture of my ball with a piece of tape on it when I was trying to find my PAP. I was sort of guessing at it and haven't quite found it perfectly yet, but this is where it was when thrown in the video.
Video of throw. Watch where my ball lands, rotation and how much it doesn't react. I kind of dropped my ball a little bit, hence the bounce, but it didn't affect how the ball usually travels down the alley. Link to video so you can go full screen for a better look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dXU7yfIwR8
Last edited by deputy865; 01-26-2016 at 12:59 PM.
Your release of the ball is at about the 27-28 mark and slides through a lot of mid lane oil. Have you tried moving right and getting the ball outside a little bit more? With your release, you aren't getting enough revs on the ball to necessitate using such an inside line.
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Yes, I've tried moving over to the right quite a bit and I will still slide and get very little reaction. More than before, but not as much as I used to get. So my release is the culprit?Originally Posted by vdubtx
I used to line up in the same spots (for a long time) and throw through the middle of the lane and the ball would come back pretty violently right into the pocket. Not sure what I changed or what happened... but I seem to be stuck with it.
Shane
Look like the bend in the elbow could be the culprit here causing your hand to spin the ball more than add revs. It's hard to tell in the slow motion but I believe your approach is rushed I would suggest trying to slow down and let the arm straighten out and see if that helps.
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My approach is rather quick... I'll admit that. When should my arm be straight? When I came back through? When I release the ball?
What is the bandage on the ball for? Is it a conventional grip? Are you trying to be a 2 hander?
I was trying to find my PAP. I was thinking that I was getting rotation but possibly not getting very much of an angle of rotation, causing my ball not to break much. Seems there might be an issue with my release/throw though.
I use 3 fingers in my grip and I'm not trying to be a 2 handed bowler. I tried it, it feels too awkward. However, I do use both hands as sort of a stabilizer when I'm approaching. In the video, you will see me use both hands approaching and when starting to bring the ball back, but I pull my left hand away before I release.
Shane
Last edited by deputy865; 01-26-2016 at 03:03 PM.
Ok I watched a few more times. Get a new ball. Get it drilled fingertip. Get the ball out side of the 2nd arrow the middle is flooded. You can start there but at some point you need dry boards or the ball hydroplanes. The release looks fine as does the approach.
New ball was my last ditch effort. I was just thinking it was me being that I couldn't get any sort of reaction out of a friends ball... He however could get a lot out of mine?
To me it looks like the ball is falling off your hand before you can get any significant amount of rotation on it and that you are just spinning the ball. I would tell you the next time you bowl is to try to focus on feeling the ball coming off your fingers and keeping your fingers on the ball as long as possible.
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