Me bowling advice appreciated

[Amyers]

Hey Amyers, have you ever driven up to Cincinnati and bowled the Hoinke Classic? If you haven't you will definitely want to make a trip to the western bowl, you will love the place.

I get to Cincinnati a couple of times a year but I haven't ever bowled there I will try to check it out next time I'm there

[Amyers]

I believe that your balance problem and your thumb problem are both directly related to your timing which is very late. You are holding the ball for the first two steps before pushing it away which gets you to the line way ahead of the ball. Your push away should be timed with your second step, not your third. This late timing is causing you to pull the ball through your swing which results in your thumb getting ripped up from coming over the top of the ball, and your body falling off to the right as you attempt to muscle the ball to catch up to you at the foul line. Once you get your push away going with your second step, I think that you will see more ball speed, more accuracy, better balance, and the ability to stay behind the ball to put a much better roll on it. Good luck.

I will keep working on it the ball feels like it arriving about the end of my slide which is correct but I guess I forcing it to do that by muscling it. Is that what your saying correct?

[Bunny]

I believe that your balance problem and your thumb problem are both directly related to your timing which is very late. You are holding the ball for the first two steps before pushing it away which gets you to the line way ahead of the ball. Your push away should be timed with your second step, not your third. This late timing is causing you to pull the ball through your swing which results in your thumb getting ripped up from coming over the top of the ball, and your body falling off to the right as you attempt to muscle the ball to catch up to you at the foul line. Once you get your push away going with your second step, I think that you will see more ball speed, more accuracy, better balance, and the ability to stay behind the ball to put a much better roll on it. Good luck.

I have 5 step with late timing too and have been working on a "push out." I've noticed that at the very least I'm conscience of getting my ball out with the second step which seems to be equating to a more consistent swing and higher scores.

BTW-Aslan's game is looking much improved since his lesson with you. Nice work, Coach!!

[fortheloveofbowling]

Amyers. rob has some good points and he is correct about the thumb issues from possibly getting around it to much. Keep working on it.

[rv driver]

I wonder if, instead of thinking "push out," think, "out and down. I heard a coach on a Youtube video say that; it seems as though that would get the ball into the backswing a little sooner. That way, it seems like you wouldn't have to muscle the ball through the swing. What do you think about that, Rob?

[RobLV1]

I will keep working on it the ball feels like it arriving about the end of my slide which is correct but I guess I forcing it to do that by muscling it. Is that what your saying correct?

Exactly. When the ball is behind you as you approach the foul line, the natural inclination is to bring the right shoulder forward in an effort to catch the ball up to your feet. This causes muscling, coming over the top, lack of ball speed, etc., etc., etc.

When you get to the point that your feet and the ball arrive at the foul line together, you will be absolutely amazed at how effortless bowling can be.

[RobLV1]

I wonder if, instead of thinking "push out," think, "out and down. I heard a coach on a Youtube video say that; it seems as though that would get the ball into the backswing a little sooner. That way, it seems like you wouldn't have to muscle the ball through the swing. What do you think about that, Rob?

Historically we were told to "set the ball on the coffee table" as a way of getting us to push out and down. I think it's still a pretty good metaphor.

[Amyers]

Historically we were told to "set the ball on the coffee table" as a way of getting us to push out and down. I think it's still a pretty good metaphor.

I will continue to work on this is the move up a real big deal? The upward movement I have now is a lot less than before I could see it in vids but it seemed pretty small. That seems like my issue I fix one thing and mess up two others but i guess everyone has that. I'm wondering if I try starting the ball when I take that slide step in the beginning if I would balance the lateness back out?

[RobLV1]

I will continue to work on this is the move up a real big deal? The upward movement I have now is a lot less than before I could see it in vids but it seemed pretty small. That seems like my issue I fix one thing and mess up two others but i guess everyone has that. I'm wondering if I try starting the ball when I take that slide step in the beginning if I would balance the lateness back out?

Yes, the movement up is a big deal. Please don't try to push out early to keep the upward push. They will not balance out (a perfect example of two wrongs not making a right). Get rid of the upward push and push on the second step. When you push up, it gets muscle into the swing early, and it rarely goes away.

[rv driver]

Exactly. When the ball is behind you as you approach the foul line, the natural inclination is to bring the right shoulder forward in an effort to catch the ball up to your feet. This causes muscling, coming over the top, lack of ball speed, etc., etc., etc.

When you get to the point that your feet and the ball arrive at the foul line together, you will be absolutely amazed at how effortless bowling can be.

I just a couple of days ago heard the concept that you don't push your throwing shoulder forward. I've practiced that, and was amazed (as you said) at how different (and more efficient) the release became by not trying to muscle the ball. I wonder why I never heard that before???