Novel Concept/Idea: The Bowling ball does not matter??

[Mike White]

Congrats, but come back to brag when you don't post about 98 games on a house shot.

Well considering I've never posted about 98 games on a house shot, I guess I'm back.

I guess I could have just quit after two frames in the 3rd game, then used my practice game and the 1st two that were official.

[Mike White]

Mike and Mike's awesomeness aside...

Yes boy wonder....the forst two SLOW MOTION videos...were done at Arlington (you were there). They are the exact same shots with the two balls, same surface, drilled differently.

The last two slow motion videos compare the effect of the surface change.

So don't get confused. First set compares drilling only. Last two compare surface.

Now, if you look at the two that compare ONLY drilling...you'll see two balls thrown up the 11-board. The less aggressively drilled ball tends to break at about the 9-board (hard to see when there's very little break) and makes a nice pocket hit for a strike. Now that ball is thrown with a slightly lower rev rate (155-185rpm) but at a slightly slower speed (just over 1mph slower).

11 board is in the oil, and the oil's job is to keep the ball from hooking.

So yes, the oil kept both of your balls from hooking about equal.

At 13:45, and 14:15 you had both balls leave the oil at about 15 feet.

The more aggressive ball left you a big 4, while the less aggressive ball left you a 7 pin.

[vdubtx]

Well considering I've never posted about 98 games on a house shot, I guess I'm back.

I guess I could have just quit after two frames in the 3rd game, then used my practice game and the 1st two that were official.

Sorry, gave you benefit of a pin, it was a 97 you bowled.

[Mike White]

Just proves how easy it would be for me to make $100/night.

Not quite as easy as you think.

First you have to find someone willing to take the opposite side of the bet.

Then you have to collect.

[Aslan]

11 board is in the oil, and the oil's job is to keep the ball from hooking.

So yes, the oil kept both of your balls from hooking about equal.

At 13:45, and 14:15 you had both balls leave the oil at about 15 feet.

The more aggressive ball left you a big 4, while the less aggressive ball left you a 7 pin.

I don't know man. If you watch that 13:45 video...I'm lofting the heck out of the ball. It looks like it stayed around 9 and just had more rotational tilt so when it grabbed it abruptly moved. On that 14:15 shot...that ball missed outside and did come back...but looking at that ball motion at the end, doesn't it look like it was burned out when it went into the pin deck/pocket (and thus the weak hit and 7-pin leave?

I mean, I had a few different shots to choose from for each ball (after throwing probably 10 with each ball)...but I tried not to use the weird ones. I wanted the shots to be the best and most natural and easiest to compare. Not one where I loft it 12 feet and another where I miss 3 boards right.

As to finding the dry...at my rev rate...that just doesn't exist for me. I can't angle the ball toward the 10 or even 6 and expect it to hit some magical break point and come back. It won't. I can move outside in the dry...either try to play right up the hold area...or play closer to first arrow and play the old school 80s/90s shot up and in...but I can't throw the ball over 15, have it hit the 9-board at 38ft, and expect it to come slamming back. You even commented on that in the video at 08:48 when I tried to throw it over the 17-board and it made it to the breakpoint and then didn't have enough to make it back...that I should try more up the 9-board.

Oh well. Work in progress.

[dnhoffman]

The ball does not matter on a fresh[ish] house shot, up to scores around 200. After that, it definitely matters.


If you're good enough to match your equipment and release to the lane.


This is absolutely not true on sport conditions.

The end.

[MICHAEL]

Yes you have the "gift" but it comes from the lane man in the form of EASY LANES.

Remember a while back when I referred to Mudpuppy's shot making on his video as "spray can".

Even a "spray can" can shoot 250+ on an easy enough condition.

Try shooting that on a Sport Condition.

Speaking of which, what did I shoot this morning on a Dick Weber pattern? Oh yes, 266.

And I did it the first game before the pattern becomes easier due to use.

Funny the lane man must not LIKE YOU ASLAN,,, he must put down a REAL Tough Crappy line of oil JUST FOR YOU!!!
Its not the OIL,,,, or Mike White and Aslan would be on even ground?? I know,,, I know Aslan did beat Mike a few times, but that's beside the point!

The day I did my Last 300, 3 other 220 plus bowlers on that team bowled crappy.... One a 225 average , wound up with a 199.... so oil is NOT the answer to why many of us can and do roll a 300 or even great scores,,,, its bowling skills, I am convinced.

When Aslan beat Mike White scratch that day on wood,,,, it was Pure skill!

Mike had the same oil, and he knows more then ,,,, THEN EVEN GOD, about bowling, but he got beat, on the very oil that is soooooo easy!
If you don't like that example, what about the easy oil and great lane conditions that Las Vegas Rob beat you on??? Same easy oil your always talking about! WHAT HAPPENED??? Is it really THAT MUCH easier, or are we just Evolving Into Bowling Beast Now DAYS!!!

In a nut shell the OIL is not that easy, many come up to me that have been bowing for over 20 years saying: ICEMAN how,,, HOW DID YOU THROW them two 300 within 6 months.

My reply is always, In spite of the tough oil that day, that everyone else was struggling with,,, My Gift won out!

[Perrin]

Funny the lane man must not LIKE YOU ASLAN,,, he must put down a REAL Tough Crappy line of oil JUST FOR YOU!!!
Its not the OIL,,,, or Mike White and Aslan would be on even ground?? I know,,, I know Aslan did beat Mike a few times, but that's beside the point!

The day I did my Last 300, 3 other 220 plus bowlers on that team bowled crappy.... One a 225 average , wound up with a 199.... so oil is NOT the answer to why many of us can and do roll a 300 or even great scores,,,, its bowling skills, I am convinced.

When Aslan beat Mike White scratch that day on wood,,,, it was Pure skill!

Mike had the same oil, and he knows more then ,,,, THEN EVEN GOD, about bowling, but he got beat, on the very oil that is soooooo easy!
If you don't like that example, what about the easy oil and great lane conditions that Las Vegas Rob beat you on??? Same easy oil your always talking about! WHAT HAPPENED??? Is it really THAT MUCH easier, or are we just Evolving Into Bowling Beast Now DAYS!!!

In a nut shell the OIL is not that easy, many come up to me that have been bowing for over 20 years saying: ICEMAN how,,, HOW DID YOU THROW them two 300 within 6 months.

My reply is always, In spite of the tough oil that day, that everyone else was struggling with,,, My Gift won out!

or you got lucky and on those days the oil, lanes, house conditions all happened to match with the ball and the way you were throwing.

Does it help to have skill and be accurate and have a repeatable shot? Heck yes.
Is that all there is to bowling a 300? Heck no or guys like Norm Duke and Walter Ray Williams would have hundreds if not thousands of 300s thrown in competition.

Just picking 2 names I have read about having measured CATS data that showed them accurate to within 1/2" and within 1/10 mph over a series of 15 shots.

[MICHAEL]

http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/ima...lled_Balls.pdf

A very good read! How you drill the ball does matter, along with the surface! Two balls drilled differently with same surface will show huge differences! I have two pin up balls, same make and model, Deadly Aims,,

one pin up center, the other kicked out even with ring finger.

pin center same fresh factory surface does a sweet gradual arc to the pocket!

Pin even with ring finger, kicked out, a long arc but hokey stick move to the pocket

Good article link above.

[Aslan]

http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/ima...lled_Balls.pdf

Is there going to be a video? Or are we just going to take Mo's word for it?

Oh...thats what I thought.

LETS GO USBC!! Fire up E.A.R.L.!!

Does the USBC take requests? Could I go there and just borrow E.A.r.L??