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[bowl1820]

The thing about carrydown vs depletion is it depends on who your bowling and any pre-existing conditions etc.

Slowinski's article is based on what happened at Junior Gold and higher level bowlers all bowling similar lines.

League bowlers on the other hand can run into varying conditions.

Like players using plastic and urethane balls which can produce some carrydown. Now it will be said that any carrydown that may be produced in that way is meaningless to today's balls, that's true but depends on what type of ball your using.

If your using say urethane it can factor in and more urethane is being used today so is possible.

Also a lot league bowlers will be playing multiple lines, they won't necessarily be playing the same lines.

And if your on a league that follows another league and they only redress your lanes and don't clean them or don't clean them well. Then you can have dirty backends.


It's not that carry down doesn't exist, you got to recognize the difference between carrydown & depletion.

[jab5325]

from the Gold Coach Slowinski..... For some it may be a bit technical but is worth the read
http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/..._slowinski.pdf

Great article and helps explain why I often have to go from "weaker" balls (Rocket/Urethane) to "stronger" ones (BI).

[vdubtx]

No, he doesn't say Carrydown never exists. Just that in a competitive setting, carrydown is not the reason for ball reaction woes. It is oil depletion that causes more issues for bowlers.

[J Anderson]

So with THE MYTH OF CARRYDOWN is he saying it never exists? Depending on the volume of oil, placement of oil, lane surface, and lane play it can vary greatly. I'm just perplexed how i can hear great players talk about carrydown and yet it does not exist ever, it is in fact a MYTH. I will say it does not show up anywhere near as often as the alternative.

In his second paragraph he implies that it can occur after hours of open play where people are using house balls. I think it may also occur durring some leagues that are geared more toward socializing than serious competition.

[RobLV1]

So with THE MYTH OF CARRYDOWN is he saying it never exists? Depending on the volume of oil, placement of oil, lane surface, and lane play it can vary greatly. I'm just perplexed how i can hear great players talk about carrydown and yet it does not exist ever, it is in fact a MYTH. I will say it does not show up anywhere near as often as the alternative.

I'm glad you brought up hearing great players talking about the myths as if they are realities. The #1 offender in my opinion, is Randy Pedersen on the PBA telecasts. He spouts one memorized myth after another and actually believes them all!

[fortheloveofbowling]

I'm glad you brought up hearing great players talking about the myths as if they are realities. The #1 offender in my opinion, is Randy Pedersen on the PBA telecasts. He spouts one memorized myth after another and actually believes them all!

Yes, that is one of the players i'm talking about. Are you actually trying to tell me that a hall of fame player that at least up until last year still competes at the highest level somehow can't read a lane?

[Amyers]

No, he doesn't say Carrydown never exists. Just that in a competitive setting, carrydown is not the reason for ball reaction woes. It is oil depletion that causes more issues for bowlers.

It depends on the situation. On my high end travel league I've never seen carry down everyone is using newer higher end balls and the lanes are freshly prepped. On my youth adult league that I bowl with my youngest daughter where half or more of the bowlers are throwing plastic or urethane balls on lanes that may or may not have been prepped since open bowling I've seen it a lot. On most leagues on freshly prepped lanes you are much more likely to be dealing with depletion than carry down.

[Amyers]

Yes, that is one of the players i'm talking about. Are you actually trying to tell me that a hall of fame player that at least up until last year still competes at the highest level somehow can't read a lane?

High level bowlers are just as likely to believe in myths as newer bowlers maybe more so because they've been around when some of these used to be true.

[fortheloveofbowling]

A lot of it is the shear volume of oil. Most of the time we are dealing with house shots with a relatively light amount applied. It is rare that you see a house shot with a higher volume, believe me i hear guys cry the blues about my house being so slick. When you hear pedersen and others talk about it we have to remember they are dealing with those higher volumes. Again, those cases in our everyday bowling circumstances are rare compared to the other scenario but you will run into it.

[fortheloveofbowling]

High level bowlers are just as likely to believe in myths as newer bowlers maybe more so because they've been around when some of these used to be true.

The point is the man can still read a lane and if he told me there was carry down and i was on his pair then i think i would listen.