60 ft? really? tha's just insane.. that's not bowling..like what i saw in Ron C's website, balls real movement is in the last 15-20 ft.. and if any lane is oiled 60ft, there will be no ball movement.. it will just skid and skid and skid
The USBC has Cancer!!!!
The Cancer of Bowling is "Ignorance"
There are many USBC approved Bowling centers that are run by people who have no clue about proper lane maintenance procedures!
It seems that there are too many bowling centers that have staff who never get proper training with the do's & don'ts of proper lane maintenance!
I am talking about bowling centers where the manager or chief mechanic of these bowling centers force the lane man ( normally some kid who doesn't know any better ) to put out a lane condition that plays as though there is oil from the foul line all the way down to the pin deck!!
There is no back end reaction!!!
Example: In 1940's & 1950's & 1960's & 1970's.... you had 25 feet of dry back end....."Dry" from the end of the oil pattern to the Pin Deck!!
We now have oil patterns that are as long as 45 feet. The longest oil pattern was the 50 FT TOC which was changed to 41 FT, because it simply caused too many problems with the Pin setters , slowing them down too much due to too much oil carry down!! And it made Great Pro Bowlers look like beginners!!! It was very silly!!!!
It would be like forcing a Baseball Pitcher to throw a tennis ball, and or forcing the Baseball player hitting the ball to use a baseball bat made of thin paper!!!
When a trained Professional like myself tries to tell them that there is a problem that needs to be fixed, ...."such as the buffer brush might be out of adjustment" on the lane machine.
( this alone can cause this problem of the pattern playing too long )
...or they have played around with the settings & have gotten things so messed up "that the lane machine does not work as intended" by the manufacturer.
These people get angry when I try to tell them this!! They reply with ..." Well this is the way we like it " ...Not knowing how stupid they look when making such an ignorant statement!!!!
Bowling will never have credibility as long as the USBC never knows that " People even in this day and time are clueless about proper lane maintenance", and proper procedures....The do's & don'ts of proper lane maintenance!
Sadly.... The last bowling center that I inspected, the staff claimed the oil pattern was USBC Approved!!!
The truth is....If the USBC is approving oiling of the lanes the entire 60ft from the foul line to the pin deck.....Then USBC should be fired!!!!! Along with anyone else who is this stupid!!!!
If something is not done to educate people, Bowling will continue to be nothing but a joke!!
I believe in a challenge as far as oil pattern design is concerned, But to put oil from the foul line all the way down to the pin deck is insane!!
I guess this is there way of eliminating "New" Bowling Ball Technology!!!!
If this is the direction USBC is Headed, Then the bowling ball companies need to stand up and fight this Silliness in court along with help from Brunswick & AMF inc.
If USBC approved center's can do such nonsense, then it needs to be stopped by someone higher up the chain!!!
This oiling of the lanes to eliminate ball reaction on the back end of the lane in the last 15 to 20 ft is equal to forcing race car drivers to race with tires that cannot get traction where needed because some dumb idiot is putting oil all over the race track turning the sport into a joke.
Then after they do this silly crap they then say...let's see all you race car drivers run 200 mph now! ...As they then laugh....hahaha... knowing the tires will never get enough traction to hook to allow the driver to win a race.
This type of insanity is not allowed in any other sport!!! So why is it tolerated in Bowling??
If you care about the sport of Bowling, and are educated about proper lane oiling procedures, and know about oil pattern design, and what you never do while designing any oil pattern, or operating any lane machine....Then you should fight anyone who is trying to destroy our sport "be it the USBC or just plain ignorant groups of idiots" no matter who they are!!
The back ends need to be clean!!!!!!! Many have no clue what that means!!!!
No one should ever be allowed to pass rules and regulations when they clearly do not understand the sport and it's detailed maintenance procedure's!!!!!
Sadly these people think they know what they are talking about, But as a Scientist "they cannot fool me" because I am smarter than they are "They cannot brain wash me" because I know better!!!
I truly wish all bowlers knew as much as I do.....Then we might have a chance to save our sport and help it grow!!!
Any organization that is infected with stupid people who are given the power to rule over a sport such as Bowling is like a disease such as cancer that is allowed to rule over the human body.
Sooner or later the Cancer will do so much damage that the body cannot recover and it will die!!!!
That is the direction that Bowling is headed because the USBC is infected with People who are no different than Cancer. Ignorance, and ignorant people are the Cancer of Bowling!!
We must find a cure, or it will die a horrible death!!!
It has already become more about glow bowling, and birthday parties, then the sport it was once Greatly known for.....
In the old days....Pros had bowling ball arsenals just like todays Bowlers!
Myths created by ignorant people who have no ability to adjust or comprehend the Science of Bowling has become more of a problem than anyone could ever have thought. If you don't believe me...watch the video below......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z00LWijaME
Look at how many bowling balls that Pro has on his personal Ball Rack!!
No different than me 40 years later!!!!!
Now tell me that "NEW" Bowling ball technology hurt the sport of bowling, and I will call you a liar!!!! The truth is....Advancement in bowling has been going on since the 1950's!!
The Bowlers who could not adjust to the New Technology then , are the same ignorant Bowlers who are telling us that we need to learn how to adjust 40 years later!
When the lanes are stripped and oiled properly...Even a 40 year old rubber Bowling Ball will hook if you have enough hand!!! yes...even on synthetic lanes!!!!
But when USBC allows idiots to put out 60ft oil....and they put there stupid USBC approved sticker on the front doors and windows, they only make them selves look stupid!!!
I like new and old Bowling ball technology, As they all have there place in bowling even in todays Bowling game with high tech lane machines and synthetic lane panels.
But no one should ever be allowed to put out 60ft of oil on the lane or any condition that plays that way. The guys in the 1950's never had to deal with that silly crap, and we should not have to deal with it today!!!
There are idiots now days who due to myth, think that good shot making is about throwing a straight ball!!! It never was about throwing a straight ball unless you were new to the game and had no clue how to hook the ball!!!
Or if you were Bowling before lanes were invented, where you rolled a ball on the ground in the dirt or sand out side back in the days of King Tutankhamun.......
.....The days before Bowling evolved!! Then maybe you would have excuse to be so ignorant!!
Here watch the video again....Watch it as many times as it takes!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z00LWijaME
I know there will be some who still won't get it, due to the inability to comprehend, or over come Myths!!! or by those who are simply brain washed & cannot help it, due to such brain washing technology that has been very effective.....
For those who complain about Bowlers who have Bowling ball arsenals....Try playing Golf with just one Golf club!!!
To say you only need one Bowling Ball is like telling a Golfer He only needs one Golf club!!!
There are thousands of oil patterns!!! No single Bowling Ball will work on every oil pattern just the same as One Golf club will not be effective on a Golf coarse!!!
The Straight ball is for picking up spares people!!! Get a clue already!!!!
Last edited by Trex; 10-31-2011 at 09:53 AM. Reason: Bingo
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60 ft? really? tha's just insane.. that's not bowling..like what i saw in Ron C's website, balls real movement is in the last 15-20 ft.. and if any lane is oiled 60ft, there will be no ball movement.. it will just skid and skid and skid
Last edited by Trex; 10-31-2011 at 11:31 AM. Reason: Bingo
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I haven't seen 60 feet of oil yet, but I know old equipment will still hook. When I first got back into bowling I used my old LT-48 and it hooked every bit as much as it did in the late 70's. Where we bowl it seems the quantity and length of the oil has been reduced so that hook monster balls are uncontrollable. It wouldn't be an AMF house you're speaking of, would it?
Ah...The LT-48...Great ball!!! ...Hooks more than my Black Beauty and AMF Pro Roll!!!
yeah...AMF House!!
I have never seen this in a Brunswick House, not yet...knock on wood!!
One of the guys who works there, for the sake of testing his silly lane condition...Threw a brand new Hammer epidemic...and as it skids and revs up and skid and skid, and never found friction...he then says...yeah!! haha...thats how we like it!!
I could have choked the guy!! LOL
He was making sure nothing would hook on the back of the lane!!!
The pattern was flat gutter to gutter and sooo long every ball ever made just skids!
His daughter throws a Motiv Backdraft...and she releases the ball so that it spins backwards....This is a reactive bowling ball and it skids backwards all the way down the lane never finding friction to stop and roll forward!!
Balls released by bowlers who have a 90 degree or 45 degree release...there balls rev up but only skid down the lane never finding any dry boards!!!
If you roll the ball with all forward roll straight to the head pin from the corner of the lane at 12mph you will then get those kind of lucky strikes, but that is your only option!!!
It sucked bad!!!
Last edited by Trex; 10-31-2011 at 11:47 AM. Reason: Bingo
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Lane oiling problems seem to be endemic to AMF houses. I'm sure there are some that are fine, but almost all the complaints one hears are about them.
I still have my LT; someday I hope to meet Johnny Petraglia and have him autograph it. My original lefty hero. And now the seniors don't come this far south anymore.
Oh, yeah, I had a Black Beauty and a Black Diamond way long ago. I think they're both in the canal back in Chicago, if I remember correctly.![]()
This AMF House had burnt down. This guy who won the lotto bought it, and rebuilt it and kept the Wood Lanes. Had everything put back like new!! They even bought a Kegel Ion cordless lane machine, so they have no excuse for this silly lane condition they have.
Can you imagine wood lanes that have no reaction at all? Normally wood hooks more on the back end then synthetic does but not at this place!!!
I Quit the league because I refuse to support such ignorance!!!
I'll make sure to tell everyone I know to not waste there time going there.![]()
Last edited by Trex; 10-31-2011 at 12:05 PM. Reason: bingo
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Man, John can still bowl too. One of my original favorite bowlers. A super nice guy as well.
I still have a Black Diamond that I throw on really scorched lanes.
Not sure if you know Kevin, but the Seniors were at the Villages for a tournament early this year in Lady Lake. It's a great place to see the seniors if you get a chance to see them there.
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I saw that, but it came at a time we couldn't make it. Way back when I first got here they had a stop at what was then Don Carter's in Davie, but Johnny didn't bowl the one we went to. Oddly enough, my dentist looks and sounds a lot like him.
The guys at my local lanes are pretty good with patterns, so I don't think there are many complaints from bowlers who hook. I just want to contradict your statement on strikes throwing straight.I'm a lefty, I bowl straight. I start on the second dot from the right in the back row, and throw basically just left of the center arrow, straight down the middle. Maybe it is luck, but I can string 3-5 strikes together pretty much every game, and probably average 5 or 6 strikes a game right now. So it is possible to bowl decent and get strikes on a semi-consistent basis bowling straight down the center. Probably never be a 240 average this way, but I'm getting close to 200.
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