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    Quote Originally Posted by MICHAEL View Post
    You know rv driver, I hear that line a lot growing up,,, but it sounds GREAT, and to a degree ,,,, DEGREE, there is some truth to it.

    You have also heard the saying: If you think you can't , YOU CAN"T! To a degree, its correct also.

    But just thinking you CAN, then WORKING HARD TOWARD THAT GOAL, doesn't mean your going to get there in SPORTS. There are many other things that can prevent that from happening, including your genetics!

    There are some goals that just require HARD WORK! Like a job, a family, a hobby, ect ect.. I prime example could be Thomas Edison, the inventor.
    In his case it was HARD WORK, trial and error OVER ,,, and OVER,,, and OVER,,, until he got it right!

    But millions of young men and women in this country with talent, and hard work, even coaching, never REACH THE GIFTED LEVEL!

    Mind over matter does not always apply! WE, in my opinion,,, do need that Special DNA, that allows to fly with the eagles.

    Example, say you bowling 1820, Do you have a 220 plus average on any of your leagues this last year? YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE, and know bowling better then most of us on the site put together! I would include Rob in your category! I know he doesn't have that average also, with all his knowledge! Sure there is the physical limitations,, sore back,,, feet,,,, you name it, hey I have all that plus RA! LOL But I never use it as and excuse, I hunker down and Focus, I give my all, but fall short of that mark. I have posted many pictures of scores on this site, its so easy to make up crap, and have caught some, doing just that. Yet, I know guys that bowl that 220 and above that have never been coached, and many don't even practice, yet have THAT GIFT!


    knowledge, practice, desire, and positive thoughts, don't guaranty a 220 and above average. To some bowling just COMES EASY, along with the high scores.

    AGAIN,,, Coaching and practice ARE GOOD THINGS, but you better go to the Farmers Market and buy yourself 5 lbs of good bowling DNA, in order to reach that GIFTED LEVEL.

    I am hopping that Aslan makes that goal,,, then I will BELIEVE that Coaching, hard work, and practice can get you to that 220 average for multiple leagues.

    The MAIN THING IS TO HAVE FUN,,,, LOL,,, and I have WAY TOO MUCH bowling with my present average!! (

    If heaven doesn't have bowling, then that would be a huge STRIKE against going there!! LOL

    Well, of course physical ability has something to do with it. Innate DNA stuff (the way our bodies are individually constructed) has a lot to do with it too. Some people will tend to go farther, because they have particular attributes that contribute to good form/performance. But that doesn't mean that people not so endowed can't overcome attributes that are a hindrance. I feel your "220" is an arbitrary number. It doesn't really mean anything. 220 on a home THS =/= 220 on an unfamiliar sport shot. There's also a gift that has to do with mental focus, concentration, ability to "read" conditions, and make adjustments. Some people don't have that gift and have to overcome some things. What "the Gift" means to me is that some people just ... shine ... at what they do -- they "become one" with the game. But I wouldn't attempt to quantify that with a number.

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    I believe that I need to share a little of my history with you. I started bowling at the age of 37 when, while playing softball four nights each week, my main thought when I came up to bat was, "Gee, I hope I don't have to slide." You see, at the time I started bowling bowling, the physical problems that I have now had already started, with the exception of the arthritis in my neck. Since I stopped playing on the team that was sponsored by the company for whom I worked, they told me that they had an opening on the company bowling team, and asked if I was interested in learning to bowl. I joined the team, went to K-Mart and bought a bowling ball and a pair of shoes. This was in 1986, and I averaged 137 that year, but I quickly developed an interest in the game and started to work at it. I decided to take some lessons, and that summer I averaged 183 which was pretty good in the urethane era. I continued to bowl recreationally until the late 90's when I started bowling in a few local tournaments and joined a scratch league. I began taking lessons once again and improved my average to right around 200.

    When I moved to Las Vegas in 2004, I started bowling in local NABI tournaments. While I never won one, in 2006 or 2007 I was the points leader with the most top 5 and top 10 finishes. I had begun to take lessons from Wendy Macpherson, and when the owners of the NABI bowling publication, "The Bowling Connection" found out that I was a writer, they asked me if I would contribute. I asked Wendy if she would like to co-author some articles where we could expand on the things that I was working on in my lessons, and she agreed. So began my career as a bowling writer. As a result of my interest sparked by those lessons and articles, I developed a keen interest in learning both the mechanics of the game, and trying to understand modern bowling balls. I attained my Level I Certification in 2005, my Bronze Certification in 2006, and my Silver Certification in 2007. I also began seriously doing research on modern bowling balls.

    All the while from around 2000 when I still lived in California through the time when I moved to Las Vegas, I worked with a series of coaches who helped my game, though I never really put in the practice time required to really improve. In 2006, while participating in the discussion forum on the PBA website, I met a bowler who lived in California, who after many years of not bowling, said he was moving to Las Vegas and was interested in starting to bowl again. He asked if anyone would like to practice with him and I said that I'd be happy to. Imagine my surprise when we met to practice, and I saw one of the best releases that I had ever seen! I can only describe it as looking like a hot knife going through soft butter. It turns out that before stopping bowling for those years, he had been the PBA Western Regional Rookie of the Year, and also won the ABC Nationals All Events Title in 1992.

    I saw such potential, that I began to help him to modernize his game (if you look at my website, www.Modern-Bowling.com, he is the bowler pictured in the red shirt in the montage that tops each page. I also suggested that he needed to learn about modern bowling balls, so I really redoubled my efforts to learn about them to help him to learn. A few years ago, he began to work at a bowling center, and worked his way up to the proshop where he learned to drill bowling balls. He now drills all of my bowling balls.

    When I retired from full time work a couple of years ago, I decided to really start to work on my game as I would finally have the time to practice. My driller and I had become good friends, playing golf every Tuesday, and bowling in a recreational league every summer with my wife and another friend. Last summer, during the league (where he averaged 243), he said to me, "You know, you've helped me a whole lot, do you mind a few pointers?" I told him that I'd greatly appreciate it. It turns out that he was able to do something that no other coach had been able to do for the past 13 years; he fixed my feet!

    So, Michael, to answer your question, no, I was never a 220 average bowler in my youth, because I was not a bowler in my youth. As I am currently averaging 205 in the one summer league that I take at all seriously, and 207 overall in competitive situations since the beginning of the year in several different bowling centers, I think I can say with confidence that I have a pretty good shot at reaching a 220+ average despite my age and physical limitations. Why? Because of three things: Desire, a massive amount of practice, and COACHING! Those of us who were not born with THE GIFT still have a chance to reach our goals with enough hard work and determination.

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    Thanks RobLV1 for always having quality content in your posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksox1 View Post
    Thanks RobLV1 for always having quality content in your posts.
    I agree I knew some of the story but not all of it great post.

    I will also say one of the best bowlers I know is physically handicapped. He is the manager at my local center. He can walk but if you seen him shuffle around you would never believe he could bowl. On the lanes the man is smooth as silk. He started out as a league bowler in his early thirties and averaged about 140 his first year. He decided he wanted to get better started working with guy who owns part of the alley where I bowl who is a former PBA player. He bowled 100 games a week to develop his game he currently averages about 210-220 in our house which is notoriously low scoring.

    At one time Ice I might of agreed with you but after seeing what this guy has done and a few other impared bowlers on my daughters youth leagues not anymore maybe that PBA level your right but a 220 average on THS no not anymore. These guys had all the chips stacked against them and still over came it. Anyone can do it with required perseverance, practice, and hard work. I think the real question is are we willing to make the sacrifices to get there.
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    Rob, thanks for the story. It's nice to know more about you. And thanks for your quality posts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amyers View Post
    I agree I knew some of the story but not all of it great post.

    I will also say one of the best bowlers I know is physically handicapped. He is the manager at my local center. He can walk but if you seen him shuffle around you would never believe he could bowl. On the lanes the man is smooth as silk. He started out as a league bowler in his early thirties and averaged about 140 his first year. He decided he wanted to get better started working with guy who owns part of the alley where I bowl who is a former PBA player. He bowled 100 games a week to develop his game he currently averages about 210-220 in our house which is notoriously low scoring.

    At one time Ice I might of agreed with you but after seeing what this guy has done and a few other impared bowlers on my daughters youth leagues not anymore maybe that PBA level your right but a 220 average on THS no not anymore. These guys had all the chips stacked against them and still over came it. Anyone can do it with required perseverance, practice, and hard work. I think the real question is are we willing to make the sacrifices to get there.
    MY POINT is THIS guy your talking about, HAS THE GIFT! He is a perfect example! It has NOTHING TO DO with physical appearance, eye sight, muscles... its a lot deeper then that. Being physically handicapped does not keep a person from being gifted in some sports!

    I am physically handicapped, with a broken back, and neck, RA, Lupus, neuropathy in my feet!

    But I don't let any of it get me down, in fact I stay away from Doctors as much as possible, and have since being diagnosed 10 years ago!

    It was a slow process getting my health back but did it with nothing but, Real Food, GOOD Natrual Supplements, Did away with all forms of suger, have my own water purification system in my house,,, WELL I COULD GO ON, but I won't.

    End result, EACH and EVERY year, I have got stronger and stronger, pain inflammation is a thing of the distant Past!

    The body can do remarkable things if you give it what IT NEEDS!!

    OK DONE WITH THAT HEALTH dissertation!!! LOL

    ROB, and bowl1820, ASLAN especially, PROVE ME WRONG! I know many 220 average league bowlers who do it effortlessly! AS I SAID, don't practice, on have any coaching! THEY HAVE THE GIFT!

    ON THE OTHER HAND YOU ROB, who I respect very much in regards to bowling knowledge, and you 2 bowl1820, don't have the GIFT!

    FOR THAT REASON, its going to be VERY difficult and require a lot of practice! You both already have the knowledge, way beyond most of use out here in bowlingboard.com land!

    CAN A NON GIFTED person make that pentacle,,,,,?????? Some do, and many don't that I know.

    I hope that the four of use,,, Rob, Aslan, bowl1820, and Ice make that goal! I never,,, NEVER said it was impossible,,,, but I have in my short time of bowling notice that many just can't make that 220 level!

    IS THAT 220 average a big deal?????

    I think on even house oil, non professional bowlers who have reach that number or higher, on all their leagues, deserve a lot of praise!!!!! Its quit an accomplishment for the average Joe!!
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    Where's all the praise for my "quality posts?" Geez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    Where's all the praise for my "quality posts?" Geez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    Where's all the praise for my "quality posts?" Geez.
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    lol rv driver, beat me to it. Props!
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