Strokers Rant.. (about crankers)

**Mike White** · 10-20-2015, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by fordman1

Is the loft or the three bounces after the loft?

Who is right me or the guy who said I was uninformed? I forgot the question now.

Lofting is an adjustment for a problem with the front of the lane, not the back of the lane.

So which ever of you said lofting solved the carry down problem was "uninformed"

**Aslan** · 10-20-2015, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by fordman1

Is the loft or the three bounces after the loft?

Who is right me or the guy who said I was uninformed? I forgot the question now.

I agree. This argument got waaay too dorky and now I can't remember what we were even talking about.

**fordman1** · 10-20-2015, 04:37 PM

Not the lofting the carry down. Do crankers and their reactive cause carry down or newbys and their house plastic and rubber?

Originally Posted by Mike White

Lofting is an adjustment for a problem with the front of the lane, not the back of the lane.

So which ever of you said lofting solved the carry down problem was "uninformed"

**Mike White** · 10-20-2015, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by fordman1

Not the lofting the carry down. Do crankers and their reactive cause carry down or newbys and their house plastic and rubber?

Crankers aren't more or less guilty with reactive resin balls.

The track flare causes the part of the ball that picked up oil on previous revolutions to not contact the lane on the next revolution. (with the exception of the bow tie areas)

rubber/plastic/urethane tend not to flare so they both pick up some oil (not as much as reactive), and redeposit some of the oil where there wasn't any originally. (the back ends)

**fordman1** · 10-20-2015, 05:34 PM

I was always told the new stuff sucked up the oil and the old stuff pushed it down the lane. CARRY DOWN. meaning oil farther down the lane. Ball hooking too late.

**Mike White** · 10-20-2015, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by fordman1

I was always told the new stuff sucked up the oil and the old stuff pushed it down the lane. CARRY DOWN. meaning oil farther down the lane. Ball hooking too late.

The new stuff absorbs oil, but most of the absorption occurs after the ball is back on the ball return.

Evidence of that is the ability to see the initial oil ring on the ball when the ball comes back, so you can determine your PAP .

The new stuff picks more oil off of the lane because track flare exposes more dry surface of the ball to the lane.

When a dry part of the ball goes over an oily part of the lane, some of the oil is transferred from the lane to the ball.

Carry down is when an oily part of the ball goes over a dry part of the lane, some of the oil is transferred from the ball to the lane.

It's like when the street crew has freshly painted a cross walk, and someone drives over it before the paint has dried.

Paint transfers from the street, to the tire, and then from the tire back to the street on the next revolution of the tire.

Track flare tries to keep the oil that has been transferred from the lane to the ball from making contact with the dry part of the lane, so it reduces the amount of transfer back to the lane.

**fordman1** · 10-21-2015, 09:10 AM

Very well put. So when for the one time in a year when we bowl the drunk team with plastic balls throwing down the middle we will get carry down. Like in the 70 and 80's. And when we bowl most of the other teams with reactive balls the carry down won't be much of a problem?

**bobforsaken** · 10-26-2015, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by fordman1

Very well put. So when for the one time in a year when we bowl the drunk team with plastic balls throwing down the middle we will get carry down. Like in the 70 and 80's. And when we bowl most of the other teams with reactive balls the carry down won't be much of a problem?

I JUST made that connection in my league. I always seem to bowl poorly when we face the teams with lower averages. I never made the connection that they are using plastic balls right down the middle of the lane causing carry down.. I'm a little slow.. I know.

Now the question is, how best to battle this? since the outsides are still breaking down but the middle is getting carry down. its causing a wet->Dry-Wet path for the ball resulting in carry issues. Move to a more skid snap reaction? Move breakpoint more outside? Keep things tighter.. move breakpoint in... ball up?

Suggestions?