Holy moly! That's a long read! Got get coffee for this...
Might be good!
Originally Posted by Mike White
Here we go again!!!
Man...if I could get 1 pin for every excuse Mike has for losing in Temecula...I'd have at least a 200 before I threw the first shot. I mean, let me get this straight...
The theory is...
1) The two new bowlers got handicap...and that was unfair...because despite your 35-year head start...much of that you were injured...
2) Somehow...the minimum wage earning maintenance guy....on a Saturday...for no apparent reason other than to intentionally destroy Mike's victory...decided to oil the lanes in a way that the machine cannot even be programmed to oil....a "reverse block" pattern...that no center anywhere would apply...much less lay down prior to a Saturday filled with kid's birthday parties....
AND
3) Aslan got a free pin because one frame a 10-pin fell down prior to the shot and we didn't want to wait 2 hours for the new girl behind the counter to figure out what to do about it...
AND
4) Aslan intentionally mis-entered Pinpal stats so he could slow-play...which somehow...caused Mike to lose.
...and the approaches were sticky...and it was a distracting environment because they had big screens playing cartoons....and Aslan throws a straight ball....and some kids walked too close to our seating area...AND.... and ..... and.....
Folks....WATCH THE VIDEO. Decide for yourself.
Go to Youtube....type in "Billy Hardwick Memorial"...watch all 3 games.
Note: I apologize to Billy Hardwick's family that when you type that in a search field....3 videos of us idiots bowling is what comes up...also, Chris Hardwick...please come and be the commentator at the next event...in case he's reading this. Afterwards I wanna talk Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul with that guy.
Frame by Frame Analysis (for those that lack video capability):
Game 1
Frame #1: Aslan strike Brooklyn, MWhite throws his ball in the gutter, then opens, ZDawg actually hits the pocket bu can't convert the 7-pin.
Score: Aslan 10, ZDawg 9, MWhite 7.
Who made the best shot? TIE: Aslan (who struck all be it Brooklyn) and ZDawg (the only one to hit the pocket).
Frame #2: Aslan gets ROBBED on a pocket hit then misses a 10-pin. Mike still can't find the pocket...converts the sleeper for an 8 /. ZDawg also misses the pocket...to the right...but converts the multi-pin spare.
Score: ZDawg 19, Aslan 19, MWhite 17.
Who made the best shot? ASLAN...because I got robbed of the strike and missed the 10-pin barely.
Frame #3 Aslan again misses right...leaves the 3-pin....converts it (barely) for a 9 /. MWhite completely misses to the left (he knew it when he threw it) and hits 3 pins. He then doesn't even come close to converting. ZDawg missed way right...took out like 6 pins....but converted.
Score: ZDawg 35, Aslan 29, MWhite 28.
Who made the best shot? ASLAN (by a hair) because even though he totally missed the pocket AGAIN...he was still closer than ZDawg or MWhite.
Frame #4 Aslan goes through the nose leaving a 3-10 baby split...totally misses converting it. MWhite AGAIN misses right...taking out like 5 pins...I don't think he converted it...couldn't tell because my sleeve is in the way...looks like he left 2 standing. ZDawg goes through the nose and leaves a 3-6-7 split...just missed picking it up.
Score: ZDawg 49, Aslan 39, MWhite 36.
Who made the best shot? TIE Aslan actually marked on a good 2nd shot...but ZDawg gets the tie since his first shot was better and he almost picked up a tough split despite ultimately opening.
NOTE: Realize that after 4 frames...Aslan suffers a slight injury to his hip...but bravely presses on!!
Frame #5: Aslan gutters on the first shot.
CONTROVERSY ALERT!!! The ball bounces out of the gutter on Aslan's 1st shot and takes out the 10-pin. Given that the place was under-staffed and super busy and the lady behind the counter seemed somewhat clueless...we agreed to just go ahead and throw shot #2...then fix the score. BUT, Aslan strikes giving him a 1 /. No need to change it...because he was coming off an open.
VIDEO REPLAY!!! If you watch the fill shot...you CLEARLY see 2-3 pins flying around where the 10-pin would have been...the odds that those 2-3 pins miss the 10-pin (had it been there)...virtually impossible.
Frame #5 (continued) Aslan strikes for a 0 /. MWhite goes through the nose but is GIFTED a strike. ZDawg misses WAY left....takes out 3-4 pins....he can't convert.
Score: ZDawg 58, Aslan 49, MWhite 44.
Who made the best shot? They were UGLY...but we'll give MWhite this one since technically he struck...but Aslan's 2nd shot was better than MWhite's first shot.
Frame #6: Aslan misses right....leaves his nemesis, the 1-2-8...converts for a 7 /. MWhite misses left and leaves a single 5-pin....and MISSES it!! ZDawg goes through the nose and takes out 7 pins...can't convert for a 9-count.
Score: MWhite 72, ZDawg, 67, Aslan 66.
Who made the best shot? Again, hard to say...but Aslan was the only one to mark...so he wins this round.
Frame #7: Aslan misses waay right...takes out 6 pins...then can't convert for an 8-count. Mike goes through the nose and leaves a 5-7 split...then ANOTHER GIFT....and we're talking GIFTS FROM THE GODS....DESPITE not even TRYING to convert the split....throwing his spare ball directly at the 7-pin...somehow the friggin 7-pin bounces up and rolls backwards and takes out the 5-pin for an 8 /. TALK ABOUT LUCKY!! We didn't even know it happened...Mike didn't even know it happened....we thought it was a scoring error....you can hear Mike saying "It gave me a spare for that?" ZDawg gets up, misses way right. Then a bystander comes over and confirms that Mike indeed did convert the spare...ZDawg converts his spare.
Score: MWhite 82, Aslan 80, ZDawg 77.
Who made the best shot? I'm saying ZDawg and MWhite tie...in the ugliest tie for 1st place ever.
Frame #8 Aslan hits pocket but leaves the 10-pin....missed it AGAIN! MWhite misses pocket left again...leaves a single 6-pin...converts. Zdawg misses well right...then misses the spare conversion for what appeared to be a 6-count.
Score: Mwhite 101, ZDawg 93, Aslan 89.
Who made the best shot? TIE...Aslan's first shot was better...but MWhite converted the spare.
Frame #9 Aslan misses way right...then way left...for about a 7-count open. Mwhite misses way left...converts the multi-pin spare. ZDawg misses right of pocket and leaves an ugly 2-7 split...again...almost picked it up...but didn't.
Score Mwhite 116, ZDawg 101, Aslan 96.
Who made the best shot? MWhite for the simple fact that me and ZDawg were horrible that frame.
Frame #10 Aslan CRUSHES the pindeck and does his patented PDW cross-chop to intimidate his competition!!! It was SO powerful...I forgot it was the 10th...then missed way left...but converted for a X 7 /. MWhite misses left and leaves a 3-pin...and misses it. Zdawg gutters on the first throw...gets 4 pins on the 2nd throw.
Score: MWhite 134, Aslan 116, ZDawg 115.
Who made the best shot? Aslan...strike and a spare definitely beats two opens.
Now, the scores aren't "exact"....actually ZDawg and I tied scratch in Game #1...but it was hard to add it up using the video because it was hard to see how many pins were still standing....given there were so many of them!
SO....SUMMARY ANALYSIS of GAME !:
Score: Mwhite won scratch...but only because he had a lucky spare conversion and a through-the nose strike...between those 2 GIFTS...that's 18-20 pins...that means he'd have ended with a 114-116...which would have tied or lost to both ZDawg and I scratch.
Who threw the BEST SHOTS??
NOT EVEN CLOSE
Aslan takes 5.5 (of 10) points.
MWhite takes 3 points.
ZDawg takes 1.5 points.
Now, we can do this AGAIN for games 2 and 3....but despite the "Excuse-o-Rama"; MWhite....the video evidence speaks for itself.
Mudpuppy Cliff Notes: Aslan won...but they all bowled about as good as a toddler with vertigo or a lame chimpanzee.
In Bag: (: .) Zen Master Solid; (: .) Perfect Mindset; (: .) Brunswick Endeavor; (: .) Outer Limits Pearl; (: .) Ebonite Maxim
USBC#: 8259-59071; USBC Sanctioned Average = 192; Lifetime Average = 172;
Ball Speed: 14.7mph; Rev. Rate: 240rpm || High Game (sanc.) = 300 (268); High Series (sanc.) = 725 (720); Clean Games: 198
Smokey this is not 'Nam', this is bowling. There are rules. Proud two-time winner of a bowlingboards.com weekly ball give-away!
Holy moly! That's a long read! Got get coffee for this...
Might be good!
I forgot....back on topic...Mike is kinda right about that...it is annoying when you forget to enter a frame...then you have to go back frame-by frame and re-do it. And that happens a LOT....many a league night I've went up thinking it was the 9th because on Pinpal it was supposed to be the 9th...only to realize I forgot to enter my strike in frame #3.
Where I differ in opinion with MW....is it takes roughly 50 seconds to fix it...
Also...concerning the infamous Temecula tournament...I actually picked ZDawg to win...and he almost did.
My Reasoning was proved to be sound.
ZDawg was getting the most handicap...but if you look at his scores...his handicap was based off his first leagues he ever bowled in...and he had gotten much better since then.
In addition to that, MWhite and I were, at that time, more dependent on lane conditions. Mike bowls very well at his home center...but rarely bowls outside that center. I, at that time, was bowling primarily on wood lanes...my average on wood lanes was 165...but my average on synthetic lanes was 139-149.
I figured Mike's advantage would be spare shooting....where he was certainly going to be better than ZDawg and myself. And while that didn't happen in Game 1; if you watch Game 2 and Game 3...he was johnny on the spot regarding spares.
Obviously...I lucked out...because I bowled well enough to stay competitive and both ZDawg and Mwhite really struggled...and as MW as said...my straighter, lower rev, higher speed shot actually helped me on those lane conditions because as long as I didn't miss right...I didn't have to worry about an over-reaction .
I don't think we were bowling on a "reverse-block" like MW claims. I think we were bowling on a standard THS...possibly oiled out to the 9-board...so a little wider than we were used to...and it may have been shorter. It seemed to behave a lot like a shorter sport pattern...where missing right was OOB...but the pattern is too short to miss inside. Normally I'd suspect carry-down from house balls up the right side as why the right was so OOBs on a house shot...but they CLAIMED they oiled the lanes that morning. I have my doubts...because I was the first person there....before it even opened...and I don't recall seeing the guy with the oil machine. That could be why Mike was struggling...a lot of RHers with plastic and urethane....firing it up the right side all day Saturday...and you could have oil pushed down to the breakpoint...and not as much left in the center as he's used to.
But I don't understand why he even brings UP Temecula. If I were him...I'd want to erase that from my memory!! He's a FAR better bowler than that video indicates... Is ZDawg far better than that indicates? I don't know. ZDawg struggled in both this event and the Murrieta event. And that's all I have to go on for ZDawg. But I've watched MWhite bowl quite a bit...and when he's dialed in...he's a 190s average bowler. But...when you make him move around....whether it was Temecula, Murrieta, wood lanes in Anaheim, or even Vegas...he's vulnerable.
If people want a 3ABHMAVZSCI...I'm sure Mike wants revenge...and I'm always game...but I believe ZDawg is injured and the only way I'm bowling MW using an inflated 190 average is if we bowl at AMF Carter in Fullerton....where that 190 average is from. Otherwise...I want my 167-174 average. And none of the "scratch" nonsense...anyone that reads my epic tales in the "Aslan Scores" thread KNOWS I'm not a 199 average bowler like MW. I'll be willing to take 85% of 210...using 174 as my average and 199 as his...but we need at least one other competitor to bowl in ZDawg's spot. If ZDawg is feeling better and wants to do it again...that's cool too...but it's gonna limit our locations a bit. Corona is a nightmare traffic-wise right now. If we find a new location (other than Murrieta or Temecula)...we're looking at Oceanside (which is a 3-4 hour drive for MW) or Orange County (which is a 2-3 hour drive for ZDawg) or Yucca Valley/Palm desert which is a 4-5 hour drive for me. If me an MW are driving 4-5 hours...we might as well do a Vegas event...except then I gotta worry about MW and Rob fighting...which given each of their health...is a no-win situation for either of them...and I don't have Iceman or Mudpuppy there to serve as bouncers.
Not to mention...I suck tremendously in Vegas...unless it's at Red Rock...but if I remember correctly...that place is expensive. If we had a sponsor...we could rent out one of those private lanes...put down whatever pattern we want...but when I inquired about those lanes the guy at the desk said something about $800 for 2 hours?? Yeah...that's not happening.
In Bag: (: .) Zen Master Solid; (: .) Perfect Mindset; (: .) Brunswick Endeavor; (: .) Outer Limits Pearl; (: .) Ebonite Maxim
USBC#: 8259-59071; USBC Sanctioned Average = 192; Lifetime Average = 172;
Ball Speed: 14.7mph; Rev. Rate: 240rpm || High Game (sanc.) = 300 (268); High Series (sanc.) = 725 (720); Clean Games: 198
Smokey this is not 'Nam', this is bowling. There are rules. Proud two-time winner of a bowlingboards.com weekly ball give-away!
While the video does speak for itself, your description of what was happening is far from accurate.
The right side of the lane had a lot of oil (and NO dry area) while the middle had a lot of dry area.
The video shows when I or Zdawg got the ball out to the right it didn't hook, and if it was in towards the middle it over hooked.
The flood of oil didn't have a significant effect on you because even to this day, you struggle to take advantage of when there is dry area to the right.
You claim in the 7th I threw the ball thru the nose, but if I did, how could I have left the 5 pin in that split?
What you seem to miss is after the 6th frame, I made a MAJOR adjustment to the left so the ball could avoid the right side of the lane.
My first shot over there went brooklyn (not thru the nose) and left the 7 - 9 split.
Thats not a spare ANYONE expects to pick up, but I gave it the best chance possible. Throw hard and hope to bounce a pin back onto the lane.
And BINGO, it worked.
As for not wanting to wait 2 hours to have the desk person fix the score, you neglect to include that later on when I missed a 7 pin spare attempt, and the ball bounced back and hit the 7 pin, you didn't hesitate to have the desk person fix the score, even if it might take 2 hours, and somehow it was corrected right away.
As for your multi pins going towards the 10 pin, therefore you "knew" you would have made it. When you get to the point where you can hit the pocket more frequently you'll find no matter how good you think you hit the pocket, frequently that 10 pin can find a way to avoid all the pins sent in it's direction.
As for years of bowling, the game has changed so much that you would think anything pre-1990 isn't useful today.
So I didn't start bowling again until 2012, which I believe is close to when you started.
In that time you've probably bowled 3-4 times as many games of practice/league than I have.
So experience on modern conditions, should indicate you've had plenty of opportunity to exceed what I have achieved.
The problem is, you've wasted a lot of that time by focusing on techniques that are either beyond your current capabilities, or are fundamentally wrong.
Mudpuppy Cliff Notes:
1ABHMAVZSCI (Temecula) Champion: ASLAN
Virtual Bowling Tour Champion: MWHITE
Wood Lane Scratch Challenge Champion: ASLAN
Aslan vs. Iceman Scratch Challenge (Vegas): MWHITE (Actually RobM won, Mudpuppy finished 2nd, MWhite 3rd, Iceman 4th, Aslan 5th...if I remember correctly...but it still counts as a head-to-head win for MWhite against me because he finished higher.)
2ABHMAVZSCI (Murrieta) Champion: ASLAN
So...watch the videos...review the above ledger...Aslan is 3-2 against MWhite in head-to-head competition.
Now, in "Excuses competition"...it's not even a fair fight. I mean, I can't possibly think up excuses the way MW can...he beats me hands down...I'll need some 'excuse handicap' to even be competitive.
Last edited by Aslan; 04-01-2016 at 03:56 PM. Reason: Also...ASLAN/MWHITE were the scotch doubles champion over the lesser talented Iceman?mudpuppy team...
Well it might normally only take 50 seconds, but if you notice in the video, it took long enough that you edited out the time we waited.
And when you did continue, we were talking about how long the delay was.
As evidence, when I bounced the 7 pin, it took 60 seconds from the moment I hit the 7 pin, until the time the score was fixed.
I know that because you didn't feel the need to edit those 60 seconds out.
So clearly your choice to edit out the time where you fixed your phone indicates the delay was more significant.
Last edited by Mike White; 04-01-2016 at 05:03 PM.
Hmmm....I wonder which is the bigger scandal....Gary Falkner and Graham Fach winning PBA majors with illegal bowling balls....
OR
...the edited time from the 1st Annual Billy Hardwick Memorial Aslan vs. ZDawg Southern California Invitational...where Aslan apparently required a couple minutes to update his Pinpal phone App....
That's a tough one. A real morality showdown.
Attacking my Pinpal courtesy isn't going to change the video footage that clearly shows you were obliterated in competition any more than me buying tighter pants is going to make me skinnier. Instead of trying to re-write history...why don't you go get some practice in (bowling)...so next time you'll have a better shot?? Hmmm?
No, the point is you weren't dependent on lane conditions.
You were going to bowl like crap regardless of what oil pattern they put out.
Where you benefited was your handicap was based on you bowling like crap.
Lucked out is right, ZDawg and I rolled the ball attempting to get a reasonable back end reaction, you just tugged the ball at the head pin.
This is classic, you've read the words, but don't seem to have any idea what they mean.
First you think it was a standard THS, maybe 9 to 9, then you think it's a sports pattern because there was lots of OB.
There is no way a THS 9 to 9 will have anywhere near the OB that a sport pattern has.
You weren't the first person there, I was sitting in my car in the parking lot waiting for them to open because it was raining.
You may have gone thru the doors first, but your observation skills clearly were as bad as when you reviewed the video.
They were running the lanes while we waited.
They were using a Brunswick Authority machine, which has 39 independent jets (like fuel injectors) to apply oil, so no pattern is impossible on those.
If what they put out had been a THS 9 to 9, ZDawg and myself wouldn't have had any trouble getting the ball to hook outside.
You on the other hand can throw gutter balls just as easily on a THS as on a sport condition.
The first time you came to Arlington, while trying to hit 2nd arrow, you managed to have multiple balls in the gutter in the first 15 feet.
I wouldn't have recommended any ball for you, I would have recommended a leg brace, and a liability insurance policy, because your first step was so ugly it looked like your leg was broken in 3 places, and you were destined to kill someone bowling near you with your accuracy problems.
Again, that video doesn't show me being obliterated, if anything it shows you losing.
There is nothing in that video that explains why I had to give you so much handicap.
So you're NOT going to practice??
And you can actually keep a straight face while trying to explain...how a maintenance guy...on a Sunday morning...will just up and decide to lay down a "reverse block" pattern. No reason...no directions to do so...no real reasoning whatsoever....he just showed up for work...pulled the machine out and thought, "Hmmm. Ya know...we always put down a THS....but I'm feeling a little saucey today...I wonder what would happen if...ya know...what if I just changed all the oil jets and invented my own pattern??!!"
That's absurd. You know that's absurd. You know the liklihood of that happening is actually LESS than him forgetting to put oil in the machine and just pushing it up and down without applying anything. It's a ridiculous premise.
Just practice. I'd like to at LEAST eliminate the "I haven't practiced recently" excuse from the MWhite Encyclopedia of Excuses. I can't eliminate random people showing up and drastically changing oil patterns for no apparent reason...but lets at least remove the "I haven't practiced lately". Then, at the 3ABHMAVZSCI...I'll have the maintenance guy swear under oath to the pattern he applied...and I'll have him spend as much time as necessary to clean the approaches and make them absolutely perfect...we'll try to create a perfect environment for you...void of any reasons this new bowler with his impossibly funky first step....could ever defeat you.
Granted, I'll still win...but maybe we keep it competitive this time??
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