Ok besides not bending and form...what's wrong

[bowl1820]

The next time you practice, try this: try to throw a back-up ball, imagining that there is an eye in the middle of the inside of your elbow.

This idea helps I've tried it.

Heres from a old post to go along with this.

A bowler was having similar problem with over rotation as you can see here:

This is part of the reply they got on how to stop it.




"What you have stumbled on is a situation where your conscious and sub-conscious are effectively fighting each other in order to arrive a a mid point, in this case, a proper hand position and rotation.

To explain:

When you bowl normally, (ie rotating too early) it feels, to you, like you ARE behind the ball!. Therefore when you try to stay behind the ball, you are feeling like you are staying behind the ball when you are in fact over rotating.

To fix this you need to feel like you are throwing a back up ball.

What this does is create a conflict between your sub-conscious mind (which is under the erroneous assumption that you are going to send the ball into the right hand gutter) and your conscious mind (which knows you have almost no chance of doing this.) The conflict between the two areas of your mind end up causing your body to find the mid point between over rotating and backing the ball up, ie, staying behind the ball until your thumb exits and then creating the type of rotation you described above.

Putting it simply, to fix a chronic problem, you attempt to make the opposite error and your mind/body almost invariably find the mid point, that being your intended execution. I know it sounds a bit "Mad Scientist Weekly", but it works in the vast majority of cases."

[RobLV1]

The braces do effect fit and don't expect it really to solve either of the problems your having. A brace will not generally help a lot with getting your hand properly inside the ball or keep you from turning your wrist. The braces are great if you have weak wrist and the ball breaks back but doesn't help a lot with getting behind the ball and doesn't stop early turn at all in my opinion.

I have to agree with Amyers here about the brace having no effect on staying behind the ball; that's totally on you, the bowler. As to what they do, I can speak from my own experience. I have bowled both with a brace and without a brace. I am currently using one, for one reason only. I tend to track the ball very high, often clipping the thumb hole on the first rotation off my hand. The brace lowers my track just enough to keep it off of the thumb hole. Other than that, I honestly find it to be kind of cumbersome, since I have to free my fingers from it to shoot at right corner spares.

[LOUVIT]

This idea helps I've tried it.

Heres from a old post to go along with this.

A bowler was having similar problem with over rotation as you can see here:

This is part of the reply they got on how to stop it.




"What you have stumbled on is a situation where your conscious and sub-conscious are effectively fighting each other in order to arrive a a mid point, in this case, a proper hand position and rotation.

To explain:

When you bowl normally, (ie rotating too early) it feels, to you, like you ARE behind the ball!. Therefore when you try to stay behind the ball, you are feeling like you are staying behind the ball when you are in fact over rotating.

To fix this you need to feel like you are throwing a back up ball.

What this does is create a conflict between your sub-conscious mind (which is under the erroneous assumption that you are going to send the ball into the right hand gutter) and your conscious mind (which knows you have almost no chance of doing this.) The conflict between the two areas of your mind end up causing your body to find the mid point between over rotating and backing the ball up, ie, staying behind the ball until your thumb exits and then creating the type of rotation you described above.

Putting it simply, to fix a chronic problem, you attempt to make the opposite error and your mind/body almost invariably find the mid point, that being your intended execution. I know it sounds a bit "Mad Scientist Weekly", but it works in the vast majority of cases."

this sounds so right!!!!!

and to Amyers and Rob. I think I will pass on the brace. It was a shot in the dark and I never even tried one on and hopefully never will....looking forward to the battle of my mind and body tomorrow if I can get a few games in

[bowl1820]

I have to agree with Amyers here about the brace having no effect on staying behind the ball; that's totally on you, the bowler.

While I don't disagree with this, I don't exactly agree with it either.

Over the years I've tried many brace types and talked to people that have used them and read about them.

There are certain types that can cause you to over rotate, top the ball etc. if you don't pay strict attention and learn control the brace and not let it control you.

Most of these are the ones that have extensions for the fingers, either just the index finger or all the fingers.

example the Cobra wrist support:


This thing is a good training aid, when used and you hold the the ball properly. Your hand is in a good position, slightly on the inside of the ball etc.. But when you go to make a shot, if you don't watch out and that finger will pull your hand around the ball.

Let me put it this way, if you have problem staying behind a ball. It will make it worse, until you learn to stay behind the ball better.


The Kool Kontrol Lovit is looking at though is just standard firm wrist support, so wouldn't have a problem with that. It just firms up the wrist.

[Amyers]

this sounds so right!!!!!

and to Amyers and Rob. I think I will pass on the brace. It was a shot in the dark and I never even tried one on and hopefully never will....looking forward to the battle of my mind and body tomorrow if I can get a few games in

I have no problem with anyone using them myself I know those who do but for me they just never solved any of my problems. The type of problems I have they don't help and they make me feel uncomfortable in the ball. My wife used one for quite a while when she first started and it was a big help for her as it helped her understand what the correct wrist position was although she doesn't use one anymore.

[LOUVIT]

I have no problem with anyone using them myself I know those who do but for me they just never solved any of my problems. The type of problems I have they don't help and they make me feel uncomfortable in the ball. My wife used one for quite a while when she first started and it was a big help for her as it helped her understand what the correct wrist position was although she doesn't use one anymore.

my opinion of them always was that they would affect the hand to ball feel and fit. I like the response some one gave of aiming my hand towards the right wall of the house, (forgot who said that), If I can do that and pull the ball in closer to my body I think I'll be ok or at least a bit better...I am going to try to lean my phone against something and see if I can get another video. I had a go-pro but sold it when I stopped drag racing, who would have thought I'd need it to bowl...lol

[got_a_300]

I use a brace not to make me stay behind the ball or anything like that
I use it to help me cut down on the revs that I put on the ball. I keep
the brace completely straight so I have no cupping of the wrist like I
used to do.

Back in my younger days I had somewhere around maybe 600 to 650+
RPM's on the ball from the way I throwed it back then with a cupped
wrist. Now that I'm older my wrist just can not take all that kind of
punishment anymore.

So in a nut shell I think a wrist brace will not make you stay completely
behind the ball but then again it might help I guess it all depends on
the person throwing the ball.

[LOUVIT]

I use a brace not to make me stay behind the ball or anything like that
I use it to help me cut down on the revs that I put on the ball. I keep
the brace completely straight so I have no cupping of the wrist like I
used to do.

Back in my younger days I had somewhere around maybe 600 to 650+
RPM's on the ball from the way I throwed it back then with a cupped
wrist. Now that I'm older my wrist just can not take all that kind of
punishment anymore.

So in a nut shell I think a wrist brace will not make you stay completely
behind the ball but then again it might help I guess it all depends on
the person throwing the ball.

why would you want to cut revs...lol...this is from a slow rev guy. and yes I can't cup the ball, at 12mph and decent revs for that speed (when I release it right) I can deal with it. My issue is that I am not releasing it correctly

[JaxBowlingGuy]

I use a brace not to make me stay behind the ball or anything like that
I use it to help me cut down on the revs that I put on the ball. I keep
the brace completely straight so I have no cupping of the wrist like I
used to do.

Back in my younger days I had somewhere around maybe 600 to 650+
RPM's on the ball from the way I throwed it back then with a cupped
wrist. Now that I'm older my wrist just can not take all that kind of
punishment anymore.

So in a nut shell I think a wrist brace will not make you stay completely
behind the ball but then again it might help I guess it all depends on
the person throwing the ball.

That's is a crazy high rev rate. Belmo is 600+\-

[got_a_300]

That's is a crazy high rev rate. Belmo is 600+\-

I know it was a really crazy high rev rate back then that's why I always say now days
that belmo wouldn't have had a thing on me when it came to revs back in the day.

That is why I had such an advantage on all of the bowlers back then just like Belmo
has the advantage on the bowlers now days but It just got to where I couldn't handle
the wrist pain from cupping my wrist that much any longer so I had to go to the brace
back then.

Besides on the old wooden lanes back then`it was very hard to maintain a good line
with that many revs because most of the time I was always having to loft the left
gutter out to the 1 or 2 board even on the fresh oil.