Dumping sandbagging whatever

[Hot_pocket]

I dont know if there was a Thread about this but Why must people dump these days? What happen to the integrity of the sport? I dont know if its the same all over but i Know here its kind of a known without out shame kind of thing. I know there are still some out there who don't do it because they see there skill as a gift and also see dumping as a negative. I understand money is necessary but if it was why make yourself out to be a crappy bowler just to make it. What are others people views on it is what i want to know. Do you do it because everybody else does it so that you can be at a somewhat even field ? Do you despise it? I want to hear these thoughts.

[Ball99999]

My experience with handicaps is this... if we play our best for a few weeks, lots of people get handicaps against us. So if we don't hit our average.. teams who hit their averages will beat us. Even if they bowl say 130 average vs say 220 average.
In that kind of case I understand why people do this.

[Hot_pocket]

My experience with handicaps is this... if we play our best for a few weeks, lots of people get handicaps against us. So if we don't hit our average.. teams who hit their averages will beat us. Even if they bowl say 130 average vs say 220 average.
In that kind of case I understand why people do this.

I understand it for reason of competition somewhat. When i was a Jr. bowler i bowled on a 4 man team. We used to give up anywhere between 80-200 pins a game which i could understand because my teammates an I had high avgs but as an adult bowler giving up 40-50 pins to a bowler you know is not a 170 180 or even a 190 bowler it sucks.

[J Anderson]

I understand it for reason of competition somewhat. When i was a Jr. bowler i bowled on a 4 man team. We used to give up anywhere between 80-200 pins a game which i could understand because my teammates an I had high avgs but as an adult bowler giving up 40-50 pins to a bowler you know is not a 170 180 or even a 190 bowler it sucks.

I just heard that Junior bowling is going away from handicaps. Bowlers will be grouped by ability or skill level and every thing will be scratch.

[striker12]

i hate sandbaggers i was in a turnny ocne before guy had a lower avg then me and my avg was only 154 mines low cause i had a bad start of the year and started in the 140s and got it up but this summer is has gone down did really bad.

back on topic this one guy he has a 142 avg and he shot constint 200s in 10 games lowest game of 228 highest game 268 and he was kicked out of the turnnys for sandbagging they could not say it was luck cause it was the same oil amount we have been playing on for awhile and the people ik that had 200 avgs could barly get 200s

[RoccoRock]

There's one group of tourneys that go around here. If you click on results, the same 3 or 4 guys always win. I bowled in the tourney once, and saw the averages of these bowlers. I did the math on there averages, and the final numbers they put up each tourney. Seems like every tourney, they bowl 30 to 40 pins above there average a game. They carry 180 averages, but never bowl a game under 200. In a league I used to bowl in, the same team wins every year, and it's because they are the ultimate sand baggers. Now, the flip side to all that, is my team. People think we sand bag. We have a bowler with a 135 average, and every now and then he busts out a 210, 220 game. Week to week, he bowls 100 pins above his average for a series. I hear it every week "what a sandbagger." Really? You ever hear of, getting better? He had not bowled in 15 years when the league started, so it was rough for him. Then he started practicing, and started hooking the ball, and he got better. Same goes for me. I have a rough first half of the season. I was using the wrong ball, trying to play lines that didn't work. Second half of the season, I bought a new ball that was better for me, I figures out how to play the lanes better, and I bowled above my average for 10 or the last 13 weeks, propelling my team into 3rd. Some peopl were pissed, but the guys who knew bowling, and know what the game is about, they just saw me and my friend getting better.

[backlasher]

Whether it's bowling, politics or anything else, a person's integrity can have a price. For some, that price is really low.

[striker12]

yeah rocco i had a bad start of this year but once and awhile i pulled out a 200 game but everyone there knew who i was and kenwim a good bowler but going 8 weeks in a row throwing only 300 series and 400 series they seen soemthing was wrong and then they started ot watch me bowl and it was me sometimes but it was also me getting hard splits jsut the last 3 weeks i have put up a 200 game the in order no clue was the weeks where for the summer league i pulled up a 210-201-207 and all with another good game form 170-190 and the 3rd gmae every week was low other then last week should of been high but not one person at my bowling allie shot over 180 on wed and theres people there with 200 avg problem was and with me too they where spray the ashfault stuff out bakc of the bowling allie and sprayed it jsut up along the vent that brings air in and thats all we could smell by the 3rd game. everyone was getting light headed and after throwing the ball noclue what they where doing i did the same as that i was throwing at a 10 pin and threw it at the 7pin. for cscoring a 103 and missing a 500 series by 10 pins

[Hot_pocket]

I just heard that Junior bowling is going away from handicaps. Bowlers will be grouped by ability or skill level and every thing will be scratch.

best idea ever they should do that with leagues and tournaments Class a b and c

[Hot_pocket]

There's one group of tourneys that go around here. If you click on results, the same 3 or 4 guys always win. I bowled in the tourney once, and saw the averages of these bowlers. I did the math on there averages, and the final numbers they put up each tourney. Seems like every tourney, they bowl 30 to 40 pins above there average a game. They carry 180 averages, but never bowl a game under 200.

Thats the stuff i dont like i think people should get re rated instantly after a certain amount over average their first set of scores for the tournament be thrown out and u get another entry at a re-rated average. Here its like accepted to dump because you know just about everyone and everybody knows they cant win without doing it because of everyone else doing it in leagues. tournaments are a different story here they will re-rate you almost instantly specially if your from out of town because thats what most people do dump to win a tourney in another state