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    Here, watch these from one of the greatest bowlers of all time...


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    Thanks for those video Jamau ... btw when I did the one step approach and my four step I did start off with the right foot I didnt mean to say left foor started first if I did I meant right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ztbowler15 View Post
    BUT MAKE SURE when bowling in league play, to NOT switch your stopping foot from the beggining to the end of the session, you could get called on that for an un-fair advantage. now im not sure how picky your house is about that, but just to be safe.
    OMG! Don't even worry about something like that! If you want to switch feet go ahead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keithalw View Post
    A buddy of mine and a old timer there has been helping me and one my biggest problems was coming over the ball or my wrist breaking alll through my swing so I got a brace and that pretty much fixed those problems but hot_pocket is right i pretty much play straight up... usually straight up 5 or 10 board down and in.

    Bill I have tried the one step approach and even my usual four step approach. I know that its prolly me not giving it time or what not but it throws my timing out of whack bad. I been told by the old timer that Ive come a long way how I am now. I asked him bout the left foot landing he said itd be pretty much breaking my self down and starting all over that of course I wouldnt be as good as I am now right off the bat but says that generally it would give me the leverage you was talking about...

    Keith.....I'm sure your Buddy helping you means well, but for you to learn the easiest and best way seek out a "good" certified coach in your area and have him work with you. Most guys and/or Lady coaches are not that expensive sand their experience can help you achieve your goal much quicker than learning on your own. Plus, you may not pick up bad habits that may be harder to fix later on. It's definitely worth the money. You'll be happy you did. You can go to Bowl.com and find coaches on the site that are in your area. Good luck and let us know how you are doing.

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    NO offense to anyone who has given tips. I'm a strong believer in finding what works for you i dont think there is a such thing as "landing on the wrong foot" because the word we need to remember is "natural". If thats what your comfortable with i say perfect it. When people told Belmonte that his 2 handed approach wasn't correct he showed them by becoming a professional and not only that winning as one. I do say try the advice that people give you BUT to your own liking, don't feel pressured to do it because they say its wrong. you don't have to change anything especially if thats your "natural" way of doing it there is nothing wrong with it. i know a couple of people who do it and nobody can walk up to them and tell them there style is no good and that there 300's or 800's arent accomplishments ...once again i hope know one is offended
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    Did somebody say it was wrong? Counterproductive to what he wants to accomplish, yes. It can be done but that would be the exception, not the rule. Kind of hard to have your hand in the best position for revs when you can't even get it under your body due to no spine tilt, etc, etc, etc, due to landing on the same foot as the ball. It may feel natural but the physics limit what can naturally be done that way.
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    Exactly. Most people on here know that I don't like to tell people how to bowl, because if whatever they are doing is comfortable for them, and they are doing well, then so be it! I know I personally don't have a "perfect" approach and arm swing. When someone asks "How do I get more revs", the obvious answer is going to be "Start by throwing off what is widely considered to be the correct foot". If he is just beginning, I would suggest he learn to bowl a way that will help him progress quicker. Now I'm sure there are great bowlers who bowl off their wrong foot, but I have NEVER seen one in person, or on tv, and never heard of a pro that does it. It's completely counterproductive. It creates more problems then it solves. I'm not going to say "He will never be a good bowler if he continues", but I will definitely say "He will have a better chance of being a good bowler if it switches". He'll also get better faster. Most importantly, he'll get more revs on the ball if he does everything right, which is what the question was -- How do I get more revs?

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    I have thought bout getting a coach but never did.... It does feel natural to land on my right foot but I am also willing to try other techniques as well... I am going to practice some with it and see how it goes and of course will keep everyone updated... I will be practicing either tomorrow or thursday night and giving it some more practice. I been doing the one step approach cause the four step approach I was tripping all over the place like I never bowled before lol...

    Far as the discussion on it being wrong or not I dont think anything is wrong when it comes to bowling... maybe a littler unheard of or unusual but never can say wrong. Like when Hot_pocket referred to Jason Belmonte I know two handed is unusual but doesnt make it wrong.... But I am willing to try the left foot and give it an honest to god try though not just one night or two nights...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot_pocket View Post
    NO offense to anyone who has given tips. I'm a strong believer in finding what works for you i dont think there is a such thing as "landing on the wrong foot" because the word we need to remember is "natural". If thats what your comfortable with i say perfect it. When people told Belmonte that his 2 handed approach wasn't correct he showed them by becoming a professional and not only that winning as one. I do say try the advice that people give you BUT to your own liking, don't feel pressured to do it because they say its wrong. you don't have to change anything especially if thats your "natural" way of doing it there is nothing wrong with it. i know a couple of people who do it and nobody can walk up to them and tell them there style is no good and that there 300's or 800's arent accomplishments ...once again i hope know one is offended
    Hot Pocket,

    When i work with a bowler I will always try to keep them as "natural" as possible based on what I see them doing. I do not try to "remake" the person into a textbook type bowler, BUT, when someone asks the question, as he did, and you have as many responses as shown here, it becomes very apparent that the guy really needs to change something. That said, when you find out he's ending on the wrong foot, the first thing to try to do ( as Bill said) is at least get him into a starting position that will give him the best possible chance of getting the proper leverage he needs to stay under the ball.

    I bowl in a league with a 'wrong foot Louie' , and he consistently is a 220+ average bowler. BUT, he's the ONLY one I've seen in years that actually has it mastered. So you have to decide when someone is trying to improve their game, how far should I try to change them? It's apparent he wants to improve, so you offer your "suggestions" that "might" help him achieve his goals. As I tell many of my students, when you decide to change something it may take a lot of practice to get it down where your muscle memory will just take over and you'll be able to do this totally natural. But the goal is "improvement". If it doesn't work, then go back to what feels natural and work on perfecting that.

    By the way, "wrong foot Louie" was the only professional bowler I'm aware of, that made money on the PBA circuit. And that that was mannnnny years ago. Check him out http://bowlinghistory.wordpress.com/...famous-bowler/

    And if you want to see him bowl.......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c41lT...feature=relmfu

    Bob

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