Destroying the oil on league night/day!!!!

[MICHAEL]

If they were so good to league bowlers, what was the reason they had to close?

Some times MIKE, being too good,,,,,,, is,,,,, just not enough! Maybe it was ME!! They had to keep the tempature down to around 31 degrees for me,,, many candy asked bowlers complained that their balls were too cold,,, bla,,bla,,,, ba...!! You know where I am coming from...!

[MICHAEL]

Well, I guess at 8 months in and bowling in a PBA experience SCRATCH league I'm an infant by Iceman's description???LOL In fairness I was told the sport league would be handicapped but when I found out it was scratch I liked it even more....

I agree zdawg!! YOUR a REAL MAN!! Scratch is Cool, its the REAL DEAL,,, HELLO!!!!! I would bowl NOTHING but scratch if we had them around here! VERY HARD TO FIND! Everyone wants to bowl delusional bowling! Handicap,,, bowing should not be a special Olympics Sport.
Man ON Man,,, Woman on Woman,,, LEVEL Equal playing field!! If you don't like getting beat, GET BETTER!! da!!! LOL

Let me go on record here and now, Iceman doesn't like handicap bowling! I would rather get beat EACH and EVERY WEEK, then to have pins given to me!! Because I know that at some time and place I am going to Kick that bowling gods ask every now and then! TRUE GLORY and Victory!

[zdawg]

I agree zdawg!! YOUR a REAL MAN!! Scratch is Cool, its the REAL DEAL,,, HELLO!!!!! !

Thanks Mr Ice...may I say, you're a real man too! I love my sport league, in fact I'd love it if I never had to bowl on THS again, however until I make it to the PBA tour I don't think that's an option LOL

[Mike White]

Some times MIKE, being too good,,,,,,, is,,,,, just not enough! Maybe it was ME!! They had to keep the tempature down to around 31 degrees for me,,, many candy asked bowlers complained that their balls were too cold,,, bla,,bla,,,, ba...!! You know where I am coming from...!

This establishment has been around for many years, and Bowlmore had put some money into to it, but not as much as some of the other AMF's in the area. Reason for closing, not making profit, and low league numbers...

Ok, if the cold caused the low league numbers, it seems a bit selfish on someone's part.

[rv driver]

Thanks Mr Ice...may I say, you're a real man too! I love my sport league, in fact I'd love it if I never had to bowl on THS again, however until I make it to the PBA tour I don't think that's an option LOL

I agree zdawg!! YOUR a REAL MAN!! I would rather get beat EACH and EVERY WEEK, then to have pins given to me!!

Now that the Mensch Fest is over, let's look at handicapping another way: In horse racing, they make the faster, stronger horses carry a certain amount of weight in order to level the field and equalize chances for winning. Since pins can't be subtracted from the really good players, based upon their averages, pins are given to the players with lower averages. That way, the great players are challenged to use their talent to knock down more pins and overcome the "handicap" (which has nothing, BTW, to do with disability; it comes from a contraction of the term hand-in-cap, referring to bets being placed in a cap when contests are wagered upon). In sports, a "sure thing" isn't desirable for the entertainment value (which is what sports are all about). It gets boring watching the same guy win all the time because he's 6'4", can bench press a Cadillac, and whose schedule allows him to bowl 8 days a week. So pins are given to the guy who's 5'6", and only gets to bowl once or twice a week. Makes the game more entertaining and gives other guys/teams a fighting chance at the trophy. The true athlete will look at the handicap as sort of a badge of honor.

[edit]: I know that I, as an aging bowler whose body is past prime, appreciate being given a fair shot against a 23 year old triathlete. it allows me to pit my bowling prowess against that of another person, taking physical strength out of the equation.

[Amyers]

I AGREE AMYERS!!! It's NOT RIGHT! A RULE NEEDS to be made to STOP this injustice to league bowling! It can be used to CHEAT!!! Iceman does not like cheaters!! What lanes do you bowl at Amyers?? I just thought all bowling establishments did the same as mine did!

They oiled just before league, and did not allow bowlers to TOUCH it until warm ups and league! WOW,,,, HOLY ICE CYCLES!!!

I bowl at Dunbar Lanes in Dunbar WV its and old place but I kind of grew up in there so I stay. The alley was built in 1905 we still have the original wood lanes but they aren't like some of the wood you hear about on here they have been well maintained. We only have 12 lanes so its a intimate atmosphere. We have newer and bigger but I stay for the memories even though the place has some issues.

[Hampe]

Makes the game more entertaining and gives other guys/teams a fighting chance at the trophy. The true athlete will look at the handicap as sort of a badge of honor.

That's the approach that I usually take when it comes to handicap, especially for leagues. I don't think it's much fun bowling slightly below my average but still kicking the crap out of a team that averages 140.

[MICHAEL]

That's the approach that I usually take when it comes to handicap, especially for leagues. I don't think it's much fun bowling slightly below my average but still kicking the crap out of a team that averages 140.

BOWLING is not about Having FUN????? It's about play a game that frustrates, confuses, and gives you lots of 10 pins, and sometimes 7pins! PEOPLE WAKE UP,,,, I have seen on the Huge Winter league, with LOTS OF PRIZE MONEY and almost a FULL house at the 48 lane AMF, (((((SAND BAGGING USED AS AN ART FORM!)))))

Every ONCE IN A WHILE the LORD says,,,, ENOUGH!!! Then you will have your 300's, and 800's good bowling Ladies and gentlemen!! Don't ask for hand out,,, its very UN-Republican!!! EARN what you Reap!! Handicap bowling leads you down the Wrong Path,,, the path of delusional feeling of Grander!!!

definition of a Sand Bagger!

Sand Bagging the Good Bowler, WHO will Cheat, steal, and rob you of you of YOUR JUST VICTORY using means that Lucifer HIMSELF Created!!!
There is a reason Mr HOT SHOT is where he is!!

definition of a Handicap bowler

Someone that Has no pride, and is a TAKER!!! A person that will jump up and down after a handicap victory, not considering the fact that he/she was actually taken to the cleaners, and in REALITY loss by over Godzilla amounts of pins....

Brothers and Sisters, Join Iceman and raise up you voices in protest to REMOVE handicap Bowling, as I call it Delusional Bowling.

I thought America was all about a Fair Playing Field!! What you earn, is what you get! May the BEST MAN/WOMAN WIN? Don't give me PIN's, make me learn to bowl BETTER!

Give me scratch Bowling, or Give me a (waffle cone with Rocky Road and whip-cream!!)!

[rv driver]

BOWLING is not about Having FUN????? It's about play a game that frustrates, confuses, and gives you lots of 10 pins, and sometimes 7pins! PEOPLE WAKE UP,,,, I have seen on the Huge Winter league, with LOTS OF PRIZE MONEY and almost a FULL house at the 48 lane AMF, (((((SAND BAGGING USED AS AN ART FORM!)))))

Every ONCE IN A WHILE the LORD says,,,, ENOUGH!!! Then you will have your 300's, and 800's good bowling Ladies and gentlemen!! Don't ask for hand out,,, its very UN-Republican!!! EARN what you Reap!! Handicap bowling leads you down the Wrong Path,,, the path of delusional feeling of Grander!!!

definition of a Sand Bagger!

Sand Bagging the Good Bowler, WHO will Cheat, steal, and rob you of you of YOUR JUST VICTORY using means that Lucifer HIMSELF Created!!!
There is a reason Mr HOT SHOT is where he is!!

definition of a Handicap bowler

Someone that Has no pride, and is a TAKER!!! A person that will jump up and down after a handicap victory, not considering the fact that he/she was actually taken to the cleaners, and in REALITY loss by over Godzilla amounts of pins....

Brothers and Sisters, Join Iceman and raise up you voices in protest to REMOVE handicap Bowling, as I call it Delusional Bowling.

I thought America was all about a Fair Playing Field!! What you earn, is what you get! May the BEST MAN/WOMAN WIN? Don't give me PIN's, make me learn to bowl BETTER!

Give me scratch Bowling, or Give me a (waffle cone with Rocky Road and whip-cream!!)!

Soooo... this is an ego thing, then? Handicap creates fairness across the board, leveling the field between the bronzed gods and the mere mortals. it's no fun watching the gods win night after night after night. AND it's no fun -- as Hampe said -- kicking a** every night against people who aren't as good as you are. Only a level playing field creates enjoyable competition.

[Amyers]

Scratch leagues have their place but handicapped leagues are designed to level out the playing field between more experienced and more talented bowlers and newer and less talented bowlers. The more talented bowlers still have the advantage if you are averaging over 190 or 200 pins the amount that your better than others isn't handicapped so if you average 220 you still have a 20 some pin advantage over someone else as long as you bowl your average you will most games. Don't be angry at a lesser bowler for your inconsistency. I don't understand what the issue is here. Now sandbagging is a different discussion especially in short summer leagues. In winter leagues it balances out but in summer I do believe you can gain a large advantage But also most of us bowling summer leagues are there to have fun and work on our games I don't see to many serious summer leagues out there. Its a period where I try new things and take time to work on things I might not in my more serious winter bowling.