Sandbaggers just plain out suck!!! I don't care what your excuse is or what age you were is reveals a lot about your character. Nuff Said..
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20 years!!!
YES, and it seems like there numbers are GROWING! I think serious consideration of prison time should apply! If you can go to prison for smoking a joint, the HOW MUCH WORSE is Sandbagging!!!!! LOTS!! 20 years, with no chance of parole until 5 years!Originally Posted by circlecity
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@ Ice...I have 2 problems with your logic on handicap/scratch leagues...well, 3...
1) So it's unfair for a new bowler to win because they bowled a 178, and bowled 40 pins above their average...when their opponent has 30 years of bowling experience, a 205 average, and bowled a 182?? You as the 205 bowler would feel "proud" of your sub-par performance??
2) Scratch leagues don't exist...because every place that tries them gets very little interest. Why? Because of the well known and well established fact that bowler egos are out of control and these 200+ average bowlers don't WANT to lose. They don't want to play in scratch leagues or bowl in tournaments or on sport patterns because they're afraid...and their ego will not allow them to bowl a 153. So it is the HIGH average bowlers that keep handicap leagues dominant...not lower average bowlers.
3) On the flip side...the obvious reason for handicap is without it you lose 2/3 of your bowlers. When I started out I had a 121 average. Nobody would want me on a scratch team. I have 3 bowlers on my team averaging around 110...new bowlers...I'd never have them on my team in a scratch league and they wouldn't want to play there anyways. I sympathize with you on this issue, but I'm trying to do my best to GROW the sport I love...and forcing new players to get obliterated for 3-4 years while they learn the game is NOT going to help.
The real answer Ice...is DIVISIONS. The best tournaments (bowling) are the ones with divisions. I played in one back in February. That way, you're bowling against a group of people all at your skill level. THEN....scratch will work. People still will cheat..it happens in every sport I've played. It was horrible in Ice Hockey where guys that played juniors somehow manged their way onto a C-League team...and they had to create a "D-League" because too many "non-beginner teams" were playing in the "Beginner C-League". So it's not perfect...but divisions solve the problem of scratch/handicap and to a big extent sandbagging.
Silly me...
didn't think it was about winning/losing anyway, so much as it is about doing the best you can do and having fun doing it. People whose egos live in their bowling balls to that extent are dangerous, in more ways than one.
Absolutely agree!
I go out and do my best each and every time I step up to the lane. Been around sandbaggers and cannot stand them.
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According to my post count I am a sandbagger. Never on the lanes, though! I am too competitive with myself to intentionally do worse than my best effort.
All true! I'd be afraid of getting "Munsoned" in the parking lot. Carter's in a kind of shady area.
Hubby talked about bringing actual sand bags for the jerks. That would be funny!
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Hubby talked about bringing actual sand bags for the jerks. That would be funny!Like dis-honorary trophys.
High Sanctioned Scratch Game - 300(12) Hi Sanctioned Scratch Series - 822(3)
2016/17 Book Average=221, 2017/18 Composite Average=223
Equipment in the bag - Storm Crux Prime, Storm Physix, Roto Grip Idol, Roto Grip Idol Pearl, Roto Grip Hyper Cell Fused, Storm Sure Lock, Storm Drive, Roto Grip Winner Solid, Roto Grip Haywire, Storm Fever Pitch, Roto Grip Red ball spare.
Rev Rate 400. Speed 18 at heads, 16.5-17 at pins. Axis tilt 10, Axis Rotation 55. PAP 5 5/8 x 5/8 up
Lol! We should write their team name and "1st Place" on it!
"Hey, we all pitched in and got your team something."
"Here ya go, Champs!"
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YOUR RIGHT ON BROTHER!! Ice agrees!! Man UP,,, Woman UP!!! Don't live in a delusionary world! You either beat someone, or they beat you!
If you don't like getting beat, work on your game instead of drinking beer, and mixed drinks, chasing women, or men all ove the bowling alley, and get BETTER AT BOWLING!
Beating someone with handicap is like winning the lottery IN YOUR DREAMS!!
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